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881  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race on: June 16, 2015, 07:01:04 PM
His philosophy does not apply to modern industrial agriculture practices. I think if you read his books and take it in that context, then his 'philosophy' (as it pertains to "natural farming") makes better sense. It is about learning to live in harmony with nature, as opposed to bending it to your will.
The problem here is that even pre/non-industrial agriculture isn't remotely harmonious with nature. Every inch of land that is now farm was once full of wild flora and fauna that has been destroyed to make room for that farm. Permaculture may offer a way to live harmoniously with Earth, but 2.5 billion max, not seven billion humans.
882  Other / Politics & Society / Re: A Cop just told me, "Freedom doesn't exist anymore." on: June 16, 2015, 06:08:09 PM
Hence my post.  Police make and break laws on a daily basis.  I'd rather rant on an online forum than exercise my rights and end up in jail for doing so.  
Here you've captured the problem with the american anti-government movement. Most americans have very [materially] comfortable lives, full of privileges we fear to lose.

We refuse to risk anything, we refuse to make any sacrifice for the greater good. Even those of us despise the state and the violence it employs won't sacrifice much of anything to better it.

Sacrifice. This is the difference between people like you and I and people like Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning. We are revealed as selfish cowards when held up to that standard.

Perhaps.  Something tells me the users who have BTC tied up in my escrow services appreciate my choice not to cause trouble and risk my "freedom" which according to the police, doesn't exist anyway.
Sage Carlin on "Rights" - TLDR there's no such thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9-R8T1SuG4
883  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: June 16, 2015, 06:01:52 PM
A mind that worships imaginary gods is unlikely to recognize that Homo Sapiens are the only true gods of Earth. This is catastrophic, and part of the reason we are still such awful stewards for this place.

884  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: June 16, 2015, 05:48:59 PM
Well, I can tell that you don't fully grasp the matter.  So let me help out.  Assume that you were actually one of the Authoritarian Perverted Nutcase Liberal Controllers.  The first thing you want to do is control the language, so of course you intend to exercise your right to deem such comments Denial - in those cases where it suits you.

Such is the glory of powerfreakness.
Well, I can tell that you don't fully grasp the matter. So let me help out. You are an idiot.

Such is the glory of stupidity. Climate Change is both real and accelerating.
885  Other / Politics & Society / Re: A Cop just told me, "Freedom doesn't exist anymore." on: June 16, 2015, 05:41:32 PM
Hence my post.  Police make and break laws on a daily basis.  I'd rather rant on an online forum than exercise my rights and end up in jail for doing so.  
Here you've captured the problem with the american anti-government movement. Most americans have very [materially] comfortable lives, full of privileges we fear to lose. We refuse to risk anything, we refuse to make any sacrifice for the greater good. Even those of us who despise the state and the violence it employs won't sacrifice much of anything to better it.

Sacrifice. This is the difference between people like you and I and people like Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning. We are revealed as selfish cowards when held up to that standard.
886  Other / Politics & Society / Re: A Cop just told me, "Freedom doesn't exist anymore." on: June 16, 2015, 05:35:48 PM
I guess without a clip of the cop saying it though, this is just the ramblings of an irritated citizen.

Without at least a name and badge number it surely is. You're aware you can ask for this information and they're required by law to provide it, correct?

I know my rights.  I don't have any intention of fighting the police or reporting the incident though.  I know they have more important things they should be doing and I know it would only draw negative attention to me.  I'm simply sad at the state of the government and police in my country.  
Translation:

"I know my rights, but I'm too afraid of government retribution to exercise them."

No judgement here friend, it's not at all unwise to fear the police these days. But what use are rights if we're all too cowardly to make use of them? Do we even truly have them at that point?
887  Other / Politics & Society / Re: A Cop just told me, "Freedom doesn't exist anymore." on: June 16, 2015, 05:32:54 PM
He didn't have much to say.  He just said that next time he comes out someone will go to jail.  Basically I have lost the right to use a leaf blower on my property.



First world problems meme generator delivers again.
888  Other / Politics & Society / Re: A Cop just told me, "Freedom doesn't exist anymore." on: June 16, 2015, 05:29:03 PM
So sorry to hear about this unfortunate incident this morning. The cop is right though. We are not in the 60's anymore. Freedom as we once knew it has vanished and been replaced with a fake freedom that fooling most everyone.
Yeah, I'm sure women and minorities LOVED living in the 60s. Oh wait, I forgot we were all supposed to behave as clueless male libertarians on these boards. My bad.

I guess without a clip of the cop saying it though, this is just the ramblings of an irritated citizen.
Without at least a name and badge number it surely is. You're aware you can ask for this information and they're required by law to provide it, correct?
889  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race on: June 16, 2015, 05:10:22 PM
Found a very interesting article. (stuff)

You've laid out some of the arguments of Derrick Jensen and other anarcho-primitivists. Premises four, five, and twenty are the most vital for us here and now, but all are worthy of consideration.

Premise One: Civilization is not and can never be sustainable. This is especially true for industrial civilization.

Premise Two: Traditional communities do not often voluntarily give up or sell the resources on which their communities are based until their communities have been destroyed. They also do not willingly allow their landbases to be damaged so that other resources—gold, oil, and so on—can be extracted. It follows that those who want the resources will do what they can to destroy traditional communities.

Premise Three: Our way of living—industrial civilization—is based on, requires, and would collapse very quickly without persistent and widespread violence.

Premise Four: Civilization is based on a clearly defined and widely accepted yet often unarticulated hierarchy. Violence done by those higher on the hierarchy to those lower is nearly always invisible, that is, unnoticed. When it is noticed, it is fully rationalized. Violence done by those lower on the hierarchy to those higher is unthinkable, and when it does occur is regarded with shock, horror, and the fetishization of the victims.

Premise Five: The property of those higher on the hierarchy is more valuable than the lives of those below. It is acceptable for those above to increase the amount of property they control—in everyday language, to make money—by destroying or taking the lives of those below. This is called production. If those below damage the property of those above, those above may kill or otherwise destroy the lives of those below. This is called justice.

Premise Six: Civilization is not redeemable. This culture will not undergo any sort of voluntary transformation to a sane and sustainable way of living. If we do not put a halt to it, civilization will continue to immiserate the vast majority of humans and to degrade the planet until it (civilization, and probably the planet) collapses. The effects of this degradation will continue to harm humans and nonhumans for a very long time.

Premise Seven: The longer we wait for civilization to crash—or the longer we wait before we ourselves bring it down—the messier will be the crash, and the worse things will be for those humans and nonhumans who live during it, and for those who come after.

Premise Eight: The needs of the natural world are more important than the needs of the economic system. Another way to put premise Eight: Any economic or social system that does not benefit the natural communities on which it is based is unsustainable, immoral, and stupid. Sustainability, morality, and intelligence (as well as justice) requires the dismantling of any such economic or social system, or at the very least disallowing it from damaging your landbase.

Premise Nine: Although there will clearly some day be far fewer humans than there are at present, there are many ways this reduction in population could occur (or be achieved, depending on the passivity or activity with which we choose to approach this transformation). Some of these ways would be characterized by extreme violence and privation: nuclear armageddon, for example, would reduce both population and consumption, yet do so horrifically; the same would be true for a continuation of overshoot, followed by crash. Other ways could be characterized by less violence. Given the current levels of violence by this culture against both humans and the natural world, however, it’s not possible to speak of reductions in population and consumption that do not involve violence and privation, not because the reductions themselves would necessarily involve violence, but because violence and privation have become the default. Yet some ways of reducing population and consumption, while still violent, would consist of decreasing the current levels of violence required, and caused by, the (often forced) movement of resources from the poor to the rich, and would of course be marked by a reduction in current violence against the natural world. Personally and collectively we may be able to both reduce the amount and soften the character of violence that occurs during this ongoing and perhaps longterm shift. Or we may not. But this much is certain: if we do not approach it actively—if we do not talk about our predicament and what we are going to do about it—the violence will almost undoubtedly be far more severe, the privation more extreme.

Premise Ten: The culture as a whole and most of its members are insane. The culture is driven by a death urge, an urge to destroy life.

Premise Eleven: From the beginning, this culture—civilization—has been a culture of occupation.

Premise Twelve: There are no rich people in the world, and there are no poor people. There are just people. The rich may have lots of pieces of green paper that many pretend are worth something—or their presumed riches may be even more abstract: numbers on hard drives at banks—and the poor may not. These “rich” claim they own land, and the “poor” are often denied the right to make that same claim. A primary purpose of the police is to enforce the delusions of those with lots of pieces of green paper. Those without the green papers generally buy into these delusions almost as quickly and completely as those with. These delusions carry with them extreme consequences in the real world.

Premise Thirteen: Those in power rule by force, and the sooner we break ourselves of llusions to the contrary, the sooner we can at least begin to make reasonable decisions about whether, when, and how we are going to resist.

Premise Fourteen: From birth on—and probably from conception, but I’m not sure how I’d make the case—we are individually and collectively enculturated to hate life, hate the natural world, hate the wild, hate wild animals, hate women, hate children, hate our bodies, hate and fear our emotions, hate ourselves. If we did not hate the world, we could not allow it to be destroyed before our eyes. If we did not hate ourselves, we could not allow our homes—and our bodies—to be poisoned.

Premise Fifteen: Love does not imply pacifism.

Premise Sixteen: The material world is primary. This does not mean that the spirit does not exist, nor that the material world is all there is. It means that spirit mixes with flesh. It means also that real world actions have real world consequences. It means we cannot rely on Jesus, Santa Claus, the Great Mother, or even the Easter Bunny to get us out of this mess. It means this mess really is a mess, and not just the movement of God’s eyebrows. It means we have to face this mess ourselves. It means that for the time we are here on Earth—whether or not we end up somewhere else after we die, and whether we are condemned or privileged to live here—the Earth is the point. It is primary. It is our home. It is everything. It is silly to think or act or be as though this world is not real and primary. It is silly and pathetic to not live our lives as though our lives are real.

Premise Seventeen: It is a mistake (or more likely, denial) to base our decisions on whether actions arising from these will or won’t frighten fence-sitters, or the mass of Americans.

Premise Eighteen: Our current sense of self is no more sustainable than our current use of energy or technology.

Premise Nineteen: The culture’s problem lies above all in the belief that controlling and abusing the natural world is justifiable.

Premise Twenty: Within this culture, economics—not community well-being, not morals, not ethics, not justice, not life itself—drives social decisions.
Modification of Premise Twenty: Social decisions are determined primarily (and often exclusively) on the basis of whether these decisions will increase the monetary fortunes of the decision-makers and those they serve.
Re-modification of Premise Twenty: Social decisions are determined primarily (and often exclusively) on the basis of whether these decisions will increase the power of the decision-makers and those they serve.
Re-modification of Premise Twenty: Social decisions are founded primarily (and often exclusively) on the almost entirely unexamined belief that the decision-makers and those they serve are entitled to magnify their power and/or financial fortunes at the expense of those below.
Re-modification of Premise Twenty: If you dig to the heart of it—if there were any heart left—you would find that social decisions are determined primarily on the basis of how well these decisions serve the ends of controlling or destroying wild nature.




This is a platitude. Farming doesn't impact happiness any more than hunting deer for survival or visiting grocery store for food do.

Farming isn't cultivating human beings, education/family/tribe/culture inculcation do that.

There is only one good: truth,
and one evil: ignorance
890  Other / Politics & Society / Re: A Cop just told me, "Freedom doesn't exist anymore." on: June 16, 2015, 05:08:02 PM
I was blowing leaves off of my property this morning (granted 7:30am might have been a bit early) when a police officer confronted me.  He told me that I was breaking the law (where I live the noise ordinance is from 10pm-6am).  When I let him know the law and asked what law I was breaking by leaf blowing my property, he responded by saying, "This isn't the good old days, freedom doesn't exist anymore."  He had a straight face and was dead serious.  It is a sad day when not even the police believe in freedom anymore or respect the laws.  I just wish I had been recording the interaction as it would have been youtube gold.
You didn't need to record it, you only needed to get this civil servant's name and badge number and report it to us here. Then some of us might have believed your story.  Tongue
891  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: June 16, 2015, 04:29:26 PM
Personally I'm deist, I believing in God but I was never naive enough to be brainwashed into some pathetic religion and used and controlled like some atheists were, so I never grew up to resent the belief in God, yet I still remain rational in my beliefs.
You think religion is despised only by those brainwashed (mentally abused) by it? How easily you forget all those who were/are physically abused on religious grounds.

Rape and torture by disciples of religion are not uncommon throughout the world, even now. Superstition is the enemy of reason, and therefore the ally of violence. Doubly true for women.

Go watch India's daughter and see the results of superstitious society.
892  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: June 16, 2015, 02:44:14 PM
It's not so much religion that I despise, it's the brainwashing of innocent children during formative years that I find ethically repugnant. All around the world they are ruining minds, warping and perverting critical thinking circuits with lies.

Religion would be dead and gone long ago if our civilization strictly forbid religious brainwashing, and only taught basic critical reasoning skills up through age 14. So too would the state, if we also forbid nationalist indoctrination in schools.

A compassionate society of the world is waiting for us, all we have to do is want it badly enough and it will be ours. I know this to be true, for this place already exists in the hearts of many alive today, we have visited it in our imaginations.



Yours in compassion and solidarity,

World Citizen Beliathon
893  Other / Politics & Society / Billionaires worried about the poor rising up on: June 16, 2015, 02:23:30 PM
"I can't sleep at the thought of the social upheaval that I believe is imminent. Bear in mind that when the poor rise up, the middle class won't want to buy luxury goods for fear of exposing their wealth. How is society going to cope with unemployment, the envy, the hatred, and the social warfare? We are destroying the middle classes at this stage and it will affect us. It's unfair, so that's what keeps me awake at night."

-Billionaire Johann Rupert, at the Financial Times "Business of Luxury" summit meeting, in Monaco

Source: Richard Wolff Global Capitalism update June 2015

Related: http://www.democracyatwork.info/
894  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The 20 MB Miner War That Could Destroy Bitcoin on: June 16, 2015, 02:20:22 PM

The issue of Bitcoin block size is coming to a head within a matter of days.
Could a battle over block size between Western businesses and Eastern
miners leave Bitcoin in danger of self-destruction?
No. There are approximately four billion incentives for bitcoin to not implode. Any other questions?
895  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: June 11, 2015, 04:19:51 PM
Richard Feynman on scientific integrity and the proliferation of pseudo-science
896  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Islamophobia has never killed anyone. Muslim hate crimes are by Muslims. on: June 11, 2015, 02:42:44 PM

Interesting article about pseudo and contrived victimization.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/the-islamophobia-revolution-will-be-brought-to-you-by-diet-coke/

There isn’t a single fatal anti-Muslim hate crime on record. Islamophobia has never killed anyone. The average anti-Muslim hate crime is committed by other Muslims.


islamaphobia killed quite a few new yorkers in the aftermath of 9/11.

Revenge seekers?
Yes.

Arizona http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Balbir_Singh_Sodhi

Texas http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-man-mark-stroman-executed-killing-store-clerk-9-11-revenge-shooting-spree-article-1.159838

NYC  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb4ZJlUXeBU

A culture that glorifies and fetishizes violence to the extent we do shouldn't be shocked when its citizens commit random acts of violence.
897  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Islamophobia has never killed anyone. Muslim hate crimes are by Muslims. on: June 11, 2015, 09:30:44 AM

Interesting article about pseudo and contrived victimization.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/the-islamophobia-revolution-will-be-brought-to-you-by-diet-coke/

There isn’t a single fatal anti-Muslim hate crime on record. Islamophobia has never killed anyone. The average anti-Muslim hate crime is committed by other Muslims.


Incorrect. Islamaphobia killed quite a few new yorkers americans in the aftermath of 9/11.
898  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Your perception of INDIA in ONE word... GO!! on: June 11, 2015, 09:29:31 AM
Exploitation,  the same word is use to describe most other nations.
899  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Welcome to Earth on: June 11, 2015, 09:27:04 AM
I wonder when will we have a Solar System Flag or Milky Way Flag.. LoL!

Why do I suddenly feel like if I'am on Men In Black Shocked
anyway , I don't believe in Aliens because there is no proof for their existance .

The universe is so big that humans lifetime wont be able explode the whole universe. I believe there is other living creatures in other part of the universe. Just that it is hard for humans and them to meet.

Actually, I've read somewhere it's actually the opposite. some space scientists actually half expected that we would have found more than just one planet with living creatures by now.

I forgot where I read this. I would be grateful if someone could give me a link.

Oh, and I have a feeling we will end up claiming a part of the universe as ours. Solar systems will just be like districts once that happens Wink

You have read scientists statistics, we have something in the region of ''75 thousand million million'' stars/suns in our universe and they reside in around 400 billion galaxies the number of planets is uncountable, We are one planet with life and how many more are there?  Roll Eyes We are not alone that is a statistical impossibility, but... How vast is the universe we will never even get out of our one galaxy in our life time until new tech is created but we could have destroyed ourselves by then. Nasa has a world flag because they know something we don't know  Tongue The guy was right above the ''flower of life''


We are 10000000000% not alone. But to travel to the next potential like us planet is so beyond possibility of traveling to and observing, cattle mutilations, impregnating women and don't forget my favorite, anal probing that I doubt we was visited. Its a crap shoot. Were so insignificant compared to whats out there its like almost impossible.  Unless it is possible to create some sort of worm hole that can bend space and time that you can travel through without tearing your body up into pieces

The science of probability/statistics is the world's biggest lie ever Cheesy The concept behind the theory can be disproved by even the simplest of minds. There is no need to study mathematics for 10 years to see the cracks in the reasoning.
The simple fact is that it is impossible to determine whether aliens exist or not without encountering one.
Due to the staggering immensity of the universe,  it is virtually guaranteed that other intelligent life is out there, and for the same reason (and because FTL travel may prove impossible) it's virtually guaranteed thst we will never, ever encounter them.
900  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What happened to Silk Road 2.0 founder Blake Benthall? on: June 11, 2015, 09:20:17 AM
Funny how we hear about Ross Ulbricht almost daily .. but total silence on the fate of Blake Benthall, the founder of silk road 2.0 .. any news on this guy??
Obviously police fed him to the wood chipper to extract information. Unfortunately it was amateur hour and they put him in head first, so the only information they got was explosive diarrhea.
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