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881  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 17, 2018, 04:56:09 PM
LOL, I think he owes his grandma a VC fee. Kid is very cocky. Who knows, he may be right. But I wouldn't bet the farm on his words. Hope he took that $4mil and put a nice chunk into his college fund.

I have seen a lot early Bitcoiners do incredibly well.   Then they think they are investment geniuses and blow the lot on shit coins and end up with bags.
I bought a lottery ticket once and won the jackpot. I'm also opening a hedge fund next, 50% on-board and 50% success fee. First come first serve.
882  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 17, 2018, 04:54:53 PM
Hey nerds, Bitcoin is pretty much dead. Because some teen crypto kiddie says so.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bitcoin-is-pretty-much-dead-says-teenage-crypto-phenom-2018-12-14?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo

I love how MarketWatch is now interviewing 13 year olds for their investing advice. Keeping it classy and professional there, MW? Mmm hmm

Yeah, it's over folks... But on the other hand we have BCH which "has great technology but the developers have done a bad job at marketing it".

I am kind of disappointed he forgot to mention XRP with its awesome features in his picks of the crypto-currencies with best chances of success.

LOL, I think he owes his grandma a VC fee. Kid is very cocky. Who knows, he may be right. But I wouldn't bet the farm on his words. Hope he took that $4mil and put a nice chunk into his college fund.
Come on, he's not like the nerds and knows how to play the system! He doesn't need college, he's already set! /s
883  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 16, 2018, 11:14:44 PM
Hey, don't knock shitcoins. Tribalism aside, Bitcoin would be nowhere without them. Precisely no---where. Anyone who's ever followed correlations between dominance and BTC price will have seen that by now.

For that reason, I promote shitcoins to bitcoiners and bitcoin to shitcoiners. They don't like it but they need to swallow it Wink

Bitcorn dictates the price. Shitcoins are just Bitcoin money flowing into shitcoins and then back. Alts would be nowhere without Bitcoin, which doesn't mean that they won't serve a multitude of roles in the future. Without alts Bitcoin would simply become the denominator for stocks, bonds, and whatnot.
884  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 16, 2018, 11:12:48 PM
That's why you also don't sell major amounts, such as more than 50 % because you will run out of bitcoin, if you sell too soon in order to sell more.

Exactly. The trick is to have a plan where you're still holding on to something even if it goes to a million. That way you can enjoy the spoils even if the incredible happens and Bitcoin takes over the world in a flash.
I'd keep a "long" stash completely separate from the cash-out and trading stashes and never touch it until Bitcoin stops doing its wild waves.
885  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 16, 2018, 11:11:06 PM
I never touch alts because I don’t believe in them. And I can make bad decisions if I don’t believe in what I am trading.

I’ve got a stash of XRP, nowhere near as much as my bitcoin HODLINGS but would be nice to see it moon in the future.

I don't see any considerable ecosystem benefits of various shitcoins pumpening, even if my personal holdings might go up because of such pumpenings.

I understand that it is likely inevitable that several shitcoins are going to pump in the coming years, and that is why we cannot have nice things, and at minimum it will take 20 years for a decent portion of the population to recognize the differentiating value in bitcoin, and more realistically it will take longer than 20 years, perhaps approaching 50 years (I will either be dead or close to dead by then, so if I am posting in this thread, then there is some kind of AI going on or my account has been hacked).   
I don't get why you see the differentiating value and the potential value proposition of altcoins as mutually exclusive. Bitcoin will be the future currency, where equity 2.0 will be given in the form of altcoins that are traded against Bitcoin.

Although I guess the current market makes it extremely hard to see this future, I don't think that altcoins are generally speaking shitcoins. Even if some 99% of them in fact are right now.

Companies won't really be able to tie their equity to Bitcoin due to its volatility, but they could very well fix a shitcoin to their annual, or at some point even real-time revenue, operating costs, profits, inventory, etc., which will vastly improve the tools available to value investors who now have to rely on quarterly reports that may or may not be cooked. Just to name one tiny future niche that will be fulfilled by blockchain eventually.

The amount of shitcoins right now is no different from the amount of shitsites during the dotcom bubble (probably much less since we're nowhere near peak). Doesn't mean that everything was shit. Same story with every bubble, keep an open mind or you'll miss the bigger picture due to the hordes of incompetence, money grabs and outright scams.
886  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 15, 2018, 11:30:53 PM
I have no connection to any government, i'm just out to save as many people as I can from this giant crypto scam.  These coins never had any value and never will, its just rampant manipulation that is bringing in more and more suckers.

You got idiots in this thread drawing random lines on a chart like they are fucking Nostradamus. 
Wallstreet insider telling idiots to dump is one of the most bullish statements one could make.
887  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 15, 2018, 09:26:27 PM
What if the price goes down to $2000 and then back to $3000 and then back to $2000 and then to $4000 and then a big crash to $1000 and then back to $2000 and then back to $3000 and then back to $2000 and then to $3000 and then to $4000 and then to $3000 again and then down to $2000 and then up to $3000 and then to $1000 and then to $1500 and then $1000 [ETH FLIPS BTC HERE]  and then down to $800 and then $1000 then $900, $800, $700, $600, $500, $400, $300, $200, $100, $50, $10, $1, $0.01, [Delisted from Binance]

What is eth ?
He meant etc. Et cetera.
888  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 15, 2018, 09:26:13 PM
What if the price goes down to $2000 and then back to $3000 and then back to $2000 and then to $4000 and then a big crash to $1000 and then back to $2000 and then back to $3000 and then back to $2000 and then to $3000 and then to $4000 and then to $3000 again and then down to $2000 and then up to $3000 and then to $1000 and then to $1500 and then $1000 [ETH FLIPS BTC HERE]  and then down to $800 and then $1000 then $900, $800, $700, $600, $500, $400, $300, $200, $100, $50, $10, $1, $0.01, [Delisted from Binance]
Fat chance.

Even at $10 you'd be able to buy the entire supply for a mere $170m. And there'll be whales fighting over that pie.
889  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 15, 2018, 08:30:05 PM
Next stop 2k
"Buy the Dip"

1k
"Buy the Dip"

$10
"crypto was a scam all along"
At $10 I'm selling my house. Not joking either.
890  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 15, 2018, 08:27:08 PM
First and foremost, when the time comes take some fucking profits.

This is what I must regret.

If I had take 10-20% profil I would had recover almost all my investment and would be relaxed now. Possible buying more.

Never try that. Never sell until and unless they're worth enough to make you rich. That's what I've learned from an epic bull run of 2017. I was almost 90% out of crypto by August-November 2017 because I "took profits at 1.5x to 2x".

Maximize your greed, if you're ready to spend a few years in waiting.
Simple solution. Take, say, 10% of your "new" profit on the way up.


Say you have 1000 as a baseline, you go up to 2000, you take out (2000-1000)*0.1 = 100.

Now you go from 1900 to 3900, and take out (3900-1900)*0.1 = 200.

In total you've taken out 300, which is 30% of your base value, but you still have 3700 left, which is 2700 over your baseline, or a total of 370%.

Suppose you now drop 86% and you find yourself at 518, had you not taken anything out you would be at 560, so the difference is 42.

You lost 42, but gained 300, hence a profit of 258.


You can adjust the 10% based on your own preferences, but this way you won't ever go 90% out of crypto, while still cushioning the fall to a point where you will either be happy with your profits spent on random toys, or have cash ready for the reversal.


tl;dr Take out a fixed proportion of your profits and don't worry about being "all out" or "all in" ever again. If you want to get fancy you can use variable rates, but you better double check what you're doing before you start.
891  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 15, 2018, 05:55:00 PM
This is getting very, very reminiscent of the last bear market both price trajectory but also our very own WO thread activity. We’re going back to 2015 levels of posting. It’s totally dying in here which is possibly a good sign to tell you the bottom might be in or at least very close.

bottom was @ $420 when i had evil biker gangs telling me btc was a scam... expect sub $1000 soon and hopefully stiff jail sentences for all the scammers (icos&tokens) ...then mabye we bounce\\\///\\/// Smiley weeeeeeeee
With all the wees and the annoying nonsense, there's something to be saved once in a while.

I also think that a few exemplary sentences for obvious scams would be a good thing for mainstream finance adoption. Long overdue.
I'm not sure someone who can't identify obvious scams by applying common sense would be capable of staying safe even with exemplary sentences. BitConnect was just way too funny from start to end.
892  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 15, 2018, 05:52:18 PM
Sometimes i think it only needs 17 millions people to buy one bitcoin and hold, and then the price seems strangely ridiculously low
Some ~500m claim to own some crypto. Not all of those will own Bitcoin, and most will own small fractions barely distinguishable from dust. Majority of retail investors are panic dumpers too when left to their own tools. Then there's technical trading. I don't really think the price is "strangely" low at all, especially if you consider the FUD and smear campaigns by big finance on top of the aforementioned facts.

As soon as the bankers decide they have shaken the tree for all it's worth we will be seeing a pump with corresponding reports on all the regular news channels about how there is only 21 million ever. That word will get out when they want it dished out to the unwashed masses and then the sheeple will FOMO and if your not in by then then you have missed the last chance to get multi times profit.
Been saying it forever, but I don't mind them shaking the tree for a lot longer. If we go into a long winter I'll multiply my Bitcorn stash with trading shitcoins. If we go into another rally my Bitcorns will be worth more. In the long term the former scenario would be much nicer for me, but if we just go straight back up I won't complain. In fact, in the short-term I'd be much happier with a BTC rally than with accumulating corn. Fuck you short-term brain.
893  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 15, 2018, 05:49:28 PM
This is getting very, very reminiscent of the last bear market both price trajectory but also our very own WO thread activity. We’re going back to 2015 levels of posting. It’s totally dying in here which is possibly a good sign to tell you the bottom might be in or at least very close.
How very close though? January's almost never been a good month, historically.
Whale accumulation month?
894  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 15, 2018, 05:22:21 PM
Sometimes i think it only needs 17 millions people to buy one bitcoin and hold, and then the price seems strangely ridiculously low
Some ~500m claim to own some crypto. Not all of those will own Bitcoin, and most will own small fractions barely distinguishable from dust. Majority of retail investors are panic dumpers too when left to their own tools. Then there's technical trading. I don't really think the price is "strangely" low at all, especially if you consider the FUD and smear campaigns by big finance on top of the aforementioned facts.
895  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 15, 2018, 05:14:42 PM
And look how my GF Made my travelcase, map with all the papers and where to go “haha, but how very sweet”
Just affraid that i would miss something i guess Roll Eyes
Every page hours flights marked etc .......

Dude. You need to put a ring on that finger of hers.

He is a 'genius' as BTC goes down he will see if it was for himself or the BTC Hoard Smiley


My gf of 10 years (we are early 30’s - got together young) is currently in the phase of telling me that I ruined ‘our lives by not selling when it was $19,000’.

As an counterargument and I know it won't work  Smiley, tell her about superdeterminism (concocted to evade Bell's theorem).
A very cool, yet unlikely to be correct concept.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdeterminism
"I did not sell because I was destined not to sell...bitcoin is a new manifest destiny, darling/sweetie, etc"

OT: I was reading on Bell's theorem, hence the connection.

First time I've heard of Superdeterminism. Also still don't see how freedom of choice rules out Superdeterminism and vice versa. It's pretty obvious that humans only perceive a laughable fraction of what is really going on, which could also imply that we only perceive a fraction of our own will through a filter that we created. Both sides keep evading the question of what it is that determines. I'd be surprised if language could even get there, but still find it strange how this gets brushed over virtually all the time.
896  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 14, 2018, 10:09:13 PM
Dumps getting smaller and smaller. Moving averages flattening. We're getting trolled before the dump of all dumps. TheRealSatoshiTM Craig Wright is about to dump his 1m genesis coins. Capitulation is near. Bitcorn is ded.

dude, why the fuck u are wearing this hat  Wink
Capitulating.
897  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 14, 2018, 10:02:48 PM
Dumps getting smaller and smaller. Moving averages flattening. We're getting trolled before the dump of all dumps. TheRealSatoshiTM Craig Wright is about to dump his 1m genesis coins. Capitulation is near. Bitcorn is ded.
898  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 14, 2018, 06:20:45 PM
this is our reward for hoping

The reward is @ a later time....

So the inbetween doesn’t matter, doesn’t count

Gonna give you my best HODLER chart ( can’t draw on my phone...)

But...: start hodl———————snip———————- reward

In snip period can buy more and increase stash



How much are you buying atm micG?

I’m buying $500 a month. It’s not the $500 a month that worries me, it’s watching my fat pile of HODL coins lose value constantly.


Tell me about it. Sold some equipment..so should I buy BTC now or wait for more 'off the cliff" drops along this crypto winter?

sheesh...what a cluster...
Buy 1% per day or something like that until Spring. If the winter is longer I'd suspect the price action to be sideways for the remainder. Alternatively buy 1% every three days to make up for however long you think the winter will be.
899  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 14, 2018, 05:37:04 PM
Gotta use them miners as heat, it's the only way to mine with profitability on GPU. I don't see other choices.

Can't you use all those GPUs to create a giant VR wonderland where lovely maidens drop crypto from the sky?

As long as you hook hoses to your gob and toilet area you won't need to leave it until it's a reality.
Where should I throw my money at?
900  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 14, 2018, 01:15:00 PM
I think I am in love with the woman in the Japanese drum video.

It's not love if you were still unzipped from the previous video.
Sometimes I wish I had more.

+1 WOsMerit!
Got you covered this time.
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