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901  Economy / Lending / Re: 1200 BTC loan request - 10% interest on: May 04, 2012, 10:56:00 PM
Dude a ZX-14 won't slow you down!!
902  Other / Meta / Re: How can you become a full member or sr member? on: May 04, 2012, 10:04:20 PM
Hi I am a new member, just wondering how i can move on to member or sr member in the future

Thanks!
-Nick
Stick around, don't scam anyone, and become a valued community member. Eventually the bitcoin gods will smile upon you and you will be blessed with a higher member tag. Or whatever.

Or maybe, you just achieve 100 posts for full, 250 posts for sr and 500 for hero?
Pro tip: To higher your post count, reply '+1' to EVERYTHING.
Seriously, don't.

+1  Shocked
903  Economy / Lending / Re: 1200 BTC loan request - 10% interest on: May 04, 2012, 09:39:47 PM
Well with karma on your side, how can you go wrong!!
904  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 04, 2012, 06:44:50 PM
Nothing much to secure here.  Most of my assets are physical.. 
905  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 04, 2012, 06:40:15 PM
You crash the markets hard enuf and you get rioting in the streets Wink

Or you get thousands of state workers storming the state capitols Wink

wasn't 54% in 2001 and 57% in 2008 hard enough?

the state workers did go ape after 2008 Wink
906  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 04, 2012, 06:31:37 PM
You crash the markets hard enuf and you get rioting in the streets Wink

Or you get thousands of state workers storming the state capitols Wink
907  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 04, 2012, 06:13:02 PM
With all this pointless bickering back & forth, everyone will have their wealth snatched right out from under their noses. I don't trade these markets anymore for the following reason.

Ann Barnhardt raises warnings again: MF Global 2.0 May Be Unfolding Now

After MF Global failed last year, there was a Canadian firm and a Japanese fund that mimicked the rehypothecation fiasco. Now, it looks like the next wave is hitting, and it's a big one.

If you haven't yet, follow Jim Sinclair's advice to make your holdings book entries at the respective transfer agents so that your ownership of stocks cannot be questioned as easily as if it were your word against your broker. This isn't a guarantee, but it's better than nothing.

More instruction on direct registry from JSMineset.

Its not bickering Wink

Its just  debating what will happen next.

Cypher and a few others think everything is about to crash/collapse  except bitcoin..

Myself and others don't Wink
908  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 04, 2012, 06:10:57 PM
here's a great chart from Charles Smith.  do u really think the creditors/banksters, who are in that 5% upper class, are going to voluntarily allow you, the 95% middle class, to escape your debts to them via inflation?  seriously?



1 that chart only goes to 2007.

2 Many have escaped already by defaulting/forclosing.

The 5% don't want rioting in the streets anymore then the Fed or Congress do Wink
909  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 04, 2012, 05:55:55 PM
is this the sideways Japan you speak of?



yup, chop out the bubble (centered on '89) and draw a line across it at about 13k..

and commodity prices have trended radically upwards over the same timespan.

That is what I believe is about to happen on a global scale.



how can u chop out the bubble?  even if you did that's 9000 current/13000 average still equals a 31% loss.

the US stock mkt is in the same bubble and going to decrease similarly.

It seems highly unlikely the Fed will allow that given the current economic/political situation.  Over the next 5 years they might allow a 30% decline.  

here's the problem:  we disagree on the Fed's ability to control markets as well as their motivations to do so.

Most likely Wink

I think the Fed has the power to stop a severe double dip.

I think the Fed won't allow a severe double dip.

910  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 04, 2012, 05:24:24 PM
is this the sideways Japan you speak of?



yup, chop out the bubble (centered on '89) and draw a line across it at about 13k..

and commodity prices have trended radically upwards over the same timespan.

That is what I believe is about to happen on a global scale.



how can u chop out the bubble?  even if you did that's 9000 current/13000 average still equals a 31% loss.

the US stock mkt is in the same bubble and going to decrease similarly.

It seems highly unlikely the Fed will allow that given the current economic/political situation.  Over the next 5 years they might allow a 30% decline. 
911  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 04, 2012, 05:15:55 PM
is this the sideways Japan you speak of?



yup, chop out the bubble (centered on '89) and draw a line across it at about 13k..

and commodity prices have trended radically upwards over the same timespan.

That is what I believe is about to happen on a global scale.

912  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 04, 2012, 05:07:04 PM

Of cousre its not gonna work out this way.  We are going to bounce along sideways just like Japan did for the last 20 years.  and the price of commodities will RISE the entire time.  So each person will pay a higher and higher percentage of his wages buying neccesities and have less and less for extra's.  The standard of living will slowly decline in the 1st world nations and will slowly rise in the 3rd world nations..

Japan's stock mkt is down 70% from its highs back in t the 80's.   Huh

what you're forgetting is the Wall St traders have the power with their unlimited sums of USD's to create VOLATILITY.  they do this to create alternating cycles of optimism and then fear.  this forces investors to do things they don't want to do such as buy at the highs or sell at the lows.  this is how you strip ppls money.  we're now coming off a high of extreme optimism (you!) and they will take this market down until you puke up your shares at rock bottom prices.

lol when did I ever say I was an optomist..

I think that the market will go sideways.  The Federal Goverment won't let it drop very far or else there will be rioting in the streets.  round after round of QE to prop up the markets will drive commodity prices up.

I'm only optomistic in the sense that I think things will be fucked up enuf that QE forever will be neccesary to maintain the illusion of the status quo.
913  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 04, 2012, 04:57:25 PM
who here sees inflation?:



I do, post the 5 year trend line Wink
914  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 04, 2012, 04:56:11 PM
the economy is still exhaling.  and even with multiple additional rounds of QE, probably will still be exhaling, but at least a few short inhales can be taken with each round of QE Wink.

I'm glad to see that the PM's aren't following the market today, that correlation was starting to get worrisome.

Also glad to see BTC not correlating with AAPL's drop today either Wink.

you've got this backwards.  inhaling leads to inflating of the lungs; as in QE leads to inflating of stocks, bonds, gold, silver, oil, commodities.

this is why Clinton said he never "inhaled" thus never got high Wink

Its not backwards, the economy is still in decline as far as I'm concerned.  Thus it is exhaling.. i.e. not high!  Each round of QE is an inhale (stuff gets higher for a little while).  In order to survive you have to inhale, the way the fed has been doing that is to QE..  

I prefer that the bearded one go recommend to Congress that they inject liquidity to the people, raise the debt cap, have the Treasury print up another trillion in bonds (that the fed buys for close to zero percent), then pump all that cash straight to population via lotto checks.  Be way more effective then this QE bs.  Mainline adrenaline baby..  perk this fucker up!!

you don't get it.  the bankers would never allow this.  the whole point of them being able to control the money supply is to manipulate markets and fleece the people like you and me.  they are NOT about helping us.

They already allowed it once (Bush sent checks to everyone)..  Its continuing to be allowed.. (making work pay tax credit, SSI being halved temporarily)

I just think QE is BS, pump more cash straight to the people so that it will get spent in the real economy, by the people who are on the hook for the debt (that will never be repaid Wink)



nice theory but its not gonna work out this way.  they got you into the stock mkt and its time to take your money away.  after all, the Wall St traders don't actually produce anything of value so where else are they gonna get the money?

and btw, they won't destroy the USD; its their game to perpetuate.

Of course its not gonna work out this way.  We are going to bounce along sideways just like Japan did for the last 20 years.  and the price of commodities will RISE the entire time.  So each person will pay a higher and higher percentage of his wages buying neccesities and have less and less for extra's.  The standard of living will slowly decline in the 1st world nations and will slowly rise in the 3rd world nations..
915  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 04, 2012, 04:51:44 PM
I'd actually be fine with QE, so long as they went about it in a way that fixed shit.

Like the housing market.  Have the fed go buy every 3rd house on the market, over the course of the next few years.  Then rent them out at super low rates to low income peeps.

Drives rents down, Drives house prices up.   Fixes the fucked up death spiral in housing..
916  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 04, 2012, 04:45:26 PM
the economy is still exhaling.  and even with multiple additional rounds of QE, probably will still be exhaling, but at least a few short inhales can be taken with each round of QE Wink.

I'm glad to see that the PM's aren't following the market today, that correlation was starting to get worrisome.

Also glad to see BTC not correlating with AAPL's drop today either Wink.

you've got this backwards.  inhaling leads to inflating of the lungs; as in QE leads to inflating of stocks, bonds, gold, silver, oil, commodities.

this is why Clinton said he never "inhaled" thus never got high Wink

Its not backwards, the economy is still in decline as far as I'm concerned.  Thus it is exhaling.. i.e. not high!  Each round of QE is an inhale (stuff gets higher for a little while).  In order to survive you have to inhale, the way the fed has been doing that is to QE.. 

I prefer that the bearded one go recommend to Congress that they inject liquidity to the people, raise the debt cap, have the Treasury print up another trillion in bonds (that the fed buys for close to zero percent), then pump all that cash straight to population via lotto checks.  Be way more effective then this QE bs.  Mainline adrenaline baby..  perk this fucker up!!

you don't get it.  the bankers would never allow this.  the whole point of them being able to control the money supply is to manipulate markets and fleece the people like you and me.  they are NOT about helping us.

They already allowed it once (Bush sent checks to everyone)..  Its continuing to be allowed.. (making work pay tax credit, SSI being halved temporarily)

I just think QE is BS, pump more cash straight to the people so that it will get spent in the real economy, by the people who are on the hook for the debt (that will never be repaid Wink)

917  Other / Off-topic / Re: Ghetto Seasteading on: May 04, 2012, 04:39:36 PM
If your sovereign you can have whatever you want, if someone bigger then you comes and takes it away, your fucked.   Rules/Laws are  a construct of man.

918  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up. on: May 04, 2012, 04:28:56 PM
the economy is still exhaling.  and even with multiple additional rounds of QE, probably will still be exhaling, but at least a few short inhales can be taken with each round of QE Wink.

I'm glad to see that the PM's aren't following the market today, that correlation was starting to get worrisome.

Also glad to see BTC not correlating with AAPL's drop today either Wink.

you've got this backwards.  inhaling leads to inflating of the lungs; as in QE leads to inflating of stocks, bonds, gold, silver, oil, commodities.

this is why Clinton said he never "inhaled" thus never got high Wink

Its not backwards, the economy is still in decline as far as I'm concerned.  Thus it is exhaling.. i.e. not high!  Each round of QE is an inhale (stuff gets higher for a little while).  In order to survive you have to inhale, the way the fed has been doing that is to QE.. 

I prefer that the bearded one go recommend to Congress that they inject liquidity to the people, raise the debt cap, have the Treasury print up another trillion in bonds (that the fed buys for close to zero percent), then pump all that cash straight to population via lotto checks.  Be way more effective then this QE bs.  Mainline adrenaline baby..  perk this fucker up!!
919  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Platypus on: May 04, 2012, 04:19:59 PM
ProTip: Platypi hatch from eggs, which are much easier to ship.  The eggs take 10 days to hatch.

Sure you could label it some other species and pay for whatever Super Awesome Ultra Deluxe Shipping they have.



My friend loves this idea. 

Does the egg need oxygen?  or to be a certain temperature?  or to have near sea level pressure on it?
920  Other / Off-topic / Re: Ghetto Seasteading on: May 04, 2012, 03:40:56 PM
nope, were flying the bitcoin flag, we our sovereign.

Now if you wanted to fly say a Liberian flag, sure you have to follow Liberian rules, which state no firearms on civilian vessels.

Ah, no.  It doesn't matter what flag you fly, civilian vessels may not have weapons.  Otherwise they are a valid target of war.  That is stated explicitly in an international treaty called "the law of the sea".

Our vessel flying the bitcoin flag is sovereign!!  Any who fail to recognize that sovereignity will have all their bitcoins taken away Wink  We'll use weapons of mass encryption!!
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