Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.

[silverbox]

who here sees inflation?:

I do, post the 5 year trend line

[cypherdoc]

Of cousre its not gonna work out this way.  We are going to bounce along sideways just like Japan did for the last 20 years.  and the price of commodities will RISE the entire time.  So each person will pay a higher and higher percentage of his wages buying neccesities and have less and less for extra's.  The standard of living will slowly decline in the 1st world nations and will slowly rise in the 3rd world nations..

Japan's stock mkt is down 70% from its highs back in t the 80's.   

what you're forgetting is the Wall St traders have the power with their unlimited sums of USD's to create VOLATILITY.  they do this to create alternating cycles of optimism and then fear.  this forces investors to do things they don't want to do such as buy at the highs or sell at the lows.  this is how you strip ppls money.  we're now coming off a high of extreme optimism (you!) and they will take this market down until you puke up your shares at rock bottom prices.

[silverbox]

Of cousre its not gonna work out this way.  We are going to bounce along sideways just like Japan did for the last 20 years.  and the price of commodities will RISE the entire time.  So each person will pay a higher and higher percentage of his wages buying neccesities and have less and less for extra's.  The standard of living will slowly decline in the 1st world nations and will slowly rise in the 3rd world nations..

Japan's stock mkt is down 70% from its highs back in t the 80's.   

what you're forgetting is the Wall St traders have the power with their unlimited sums of USD's to create VOLATILITY.  they do this to create alternating cycles of optimism and then fear.  this forces investors to do things they don't want to do such as buy at the highs or sell at the lows.  this is how you strip ppls money.  we're now coming off a high of extreme optimism (you!) and they will take this market down until you puke up your shares at rock bottom prices.

lol when did I ever say I was an optomist..

I think that the market will go sideways.  The Federal Goverment won't let it drop very far or else there will be rioting in the streets.  round after round of QE to prop up the markets will drive commodity prices up.

I'm only optomistic in the sense that I think things will be fucked up enuf that QE forever will be neccesary to maintain the illusion of the status quo.

[cypherdoc]

is this the sideways Japan you speak of?

[cypherdoc]

Of cousre its not gonna work out this way.  We are going to bounce along sideways just like Japan did for the last 20 years.  and the price of commodities will RISE the entire time.  So each person will pay a higher and higher percentage of his wages buying neccesities and have less and less for extra's.  The standard of living will slowly decline in the 1st world nations and will slowly rise in the 3rd world nations..

Japan's stock mkt is down 70% from its highs back in t the 80's.   

what you're forgetting is the Wall St traders have the power with their unlimited sums of USD's to create VOLATILITY.  they do this to create alternating cycles of optimism and then fear.  this forces investors to do things they don't want to do such as buy at the highs or sell at the lows.  this is how you strip ppls money.  we're now coming off a high of extreme optimism (you!) and they will take this market down until you puke up your shares at rock bottom prices.

lol when did I ever say I was an optomist..

I think that the market will go sideways.  The Federal Goverment won't let it drop very far or else there will be rioting in the streets.  round after round of QE to prop up the markets will drive commodity prices up.

I'm only optomistic in the sense that I think things will be fucked up enuf that QE forever will be neccesary to maintain the illusion of the status quo.

i never said you were an optometrist!

[silverbox]

is this the sideways Japan you speak of?

yup, chop out the bubble (centered on '89) and draw a line across it at about 13k..

and commodity prices have trended radically upwards over the same timespan.

That is what I believe is about to happen on a global scale.

[miscreanity]

who here sees inflation?:

• NYMEX is a joke, where's Brent?
• Where's the volume?

Who holds major positions and was this liquidation or more paper shorting? Who was liquidating? Was it leverage being squeezed? If it was shorting, where is the paper coming from to short?

yup, chop out the bubble (centered on '89) and draw a line across it at about 13k..

and commodity prices have trended radically upwards over the same timespan.

That is what I believe is about to happen on a global scale.

Win. Real economic stagnation while global demand grows, pushing real assets up in price.

[cypherdoc]

is this the sideways Japan you speak of?

yup, chop out the bubble (centered on '89) and draw a line across it at about 13k..

and commodity prices have trended radically upwards over the same timespan.

That is what I believe is about to happen on a global scale.

how can u chop out the bubble?  even if you did that's 9000 current/13000 average still equals a 31% loss.

the US stock mkt is in the same bubble and going to decrease similarly.

[silverbox]

is this the sideways Japan you speak of?

yup, chop out the bubble (centered on '89) and draw a line across it at about 13k..

and commodity prices have trended radically upwards over the same timespan.

That is what I believe is about to happen on a global scale.

how can u chop out the bubble?  even if you did that's 9000 current/13000 average still equals a 31% loss.

the US stock mkt is in the same bubble and going to decrease similarly.

It seems highly unlikely the Fed will allow that given the current economic/political situation.  Over the next 5 years they might allow a 30% decline. 

[cypherdoc]

is this the sideways Japan you speak of?

yup, chop out the bubble (centered on '89) and draw a line across it at about 13k..

and commodity prices have trended radically upwards over the same timespan.

That is what I believe is about to happen on a global scale.

how can u chop out the bubble?  even if you did that's 9000 current/13000 average still equals a 31% loss.

the US stock mkt is in the same bubble and going to decrease similarly.

It seems highly unlikely the Fed will allow that given the current economic/political situation.  Over the next 5 years they might allow a 30% decline.  

here's the problem:  we disagree on the Fed's ability to control markets as well as their motivations to do so.

[silverbox]

is this the sideways Japan you speak of?

yup, chop out the bubble (centered on '89) and draw a line across it at about 13k..

and commodity prices have trended radically upwards over the same timespan.

That is what I believe is about to happen on a global scale.

how can u chop out the bubble?  even if you did that's 9000 current/13000 average still equals a 31% loss.

the US stock mkt is in the same bubble and going to decrease similarly.

It seems highly unlikely the Fed will allow that given the current economic/political situation.  Over the next 5 years they might allow a 30% decline.  

here's the problem:  we disagree on the Fed's ability to control markets as well as their motivations to do so.

Most likely

I think the Fed has the power to stop a severe double dip.

I think the Fed won't allow a severe double dip.

[cypherdoc]

here's a great chart from Charles Smith.  do u really think the creditors/banksters, who are in that 5% upper class, are going to voluntarily allow you, the 95% middle class, to escape your debts to them via inflation?  seriously?

[miscreanity]

With all this pointless bickering back & forth, everyone will have their wealth snatched right out from under their noses. I don't trade these markets anymore for the following reason.

Ann Barnhardt raises warnings again: MF Global 2.0 May Be Unfolding Now

After MF Global failed last year, there was a Canadian firm and a Japanese fund that mimicked the rehypothecation fiasco. Now, it looks like the next wave is hitting, and it's a big one.

If you haven't yet, follow Jim Sinclair's advice to make your holdings book entries at the respective transfer agents so that your ownership of stocks cannot be questioned as easily as if it were your word against your broker. This isn't a guarantee, but it's better than nothing.

More instruction on direct registry from JSMineset.

[silverbox]

here's a great chart from Charles Smith.  do u really think the creditors/banksters, who are in that 5% upper class, are going to voluntarily allow you, the 95% middle class, to escape your debts to them via inflation?  seriously?

1 that chart only goes to 2007.

2 Many have escaped already by defaulting/forclosing.

The 5% don't want rioting in the streets anymore then the Fed or Congress do

[silverbox]

With all this pointless bickering back & forth, everyone will have their wealth snatched right out from under their noses. I don't trade these markets anymore for the following reason.

Ann Barnhardt raises warnings again: MF Global 2.0 May Be Unfolding Now

After MF Global failed last year, there was a Canadian firm and a Japanese fund that mimicked the rehypothecation fiasco. Now, it looks like the next wave is hitting, and it's a big one.

If you haven't yet, follow Jim Sinclair's advice to make your holdings book entries at the respective transfer agents so that your ownership of stocks cannot be questioned as easily as if it were your word against your broker. This isn't a guarantee, but it's better than nothing.

More instruction on direct registry from JSMineset.

Its not bickering

Its just  debating what will happen next.

Cypher and a few others think everything is about to crash/collapse  except bitcoin..

Myself and others don't

[cypherdoc]

With all this pointless bickering back & forth, everyone will have their wealth snatched right out from under their noses. I don't trade these markets anymore for the following reason.

Ann Barnhardt raises warnings again: MF Global 2.0 May Be Unfolding Now

After MF Global failed last year, there was a Canadian firm and a Japanese fund that mimicked the rehypothecation fiasco. Now, it looks like the next wave is hitting, and it's a big one.

If you haven't yet, follow Jim Sinclair's advice to make your holdings book entries at the respective transfer agents so that your ownership of stocks cannot be questioned as easily as if it were your word against your broker. This isn't a guarantee, but it's better than nothing.

More instruction on direct registry from JSMineset.

you scared the crap out of me there for a moment.  i have a small Think or Swim acct but i guess it got sold to Ameritrade by Penson.

[cypherdoc]

yeah, com' on miscreanity!  don't be a wet towel!

[cypherdoc]

here's a great chart from Charles Smith.  do u really think the creditors/banksters, who are in that 5% upper class, are going to voluntarily allow you, the 95% middle class, to escape your debts to them via inflation?  seriously?

1 that chart only goes to 2007.

2 Many have escaped already by defaulting/forclosing.

The 5% don't want rioting in the streets anymore then the Fed or Congress do

hey, i've already said that a market crash doesn't have to mean rioting in the streets.  the ones who have the most to lose are the hedge funds and IB's who have trapped themselves in this ponzi market.  

i'm an "optometrist"!

[silverbox]

You crash the markets hard enuf and you get rioting in the streets

Or you get thousands of state workers storming the state capitols

[cypherdoc]

You crash the markets hard enuf and you get rioting in the streets

Or you get thousands of state workers storming the state capitols

wasn't 54% in 2001 and 57% in 2008 hard enough?