Hope it'll help and looking forward to hearing about some hopefully positive experiences in the future.

Edit: Oboi. Thanks for all the merit.

If you drink regularly it will probably be quicker for you. I normally only partake in the herb, especially during the time I started my experiment. No drinks for years beyond 2-3 days per year when some friends had their birthdays or came on their rare visits, so it probably took me longer to adjust to the taste of alcohol than others.

I think most consumers either won't care or won't even know. The fact that Facebook and other data scandals came as a surprise to anyone indicates that the average consumer is either too stupid to realize the implications or just simply doesn't care.

Gentlemen, we're about to become filthy rich.

What about stocking up on batteries? Not sure what they cost, but if that's the only issue then those things could last longer than traditional cars. Not sure about the economics of this though.

They clearly have something big in the making and are just lowering the hashrate by not supplying enough good miners so that they can come in with a big boom and pop all the corn themselves. Mega bullish?

If you're worried over smoking you can always switch to eating or drinking the stuff. No reason to swear it off for good if you enjoy it.

Is it known why he left? Not perhaps because he got a better deal? Bullish?

Caol Ila is pretty tame on the peat and has nice smoky fruit flavours to it. But by your recommendations it sounds like the Signet is a perfect match for you (as well as the Japanese whiskies). Your drinking seems mostly the way mine is beyond the time I powered through the tasting experiments.

Unfortunately no more sMerit to throw around, but thanks a lot for the suggestions! I've added Russel's and Woodford to my list, already had Wild Turkey and quite like it, so looking forward to the other two.

Here's what I've learned and what worked for me, YMMV.

I could only taste alcohol, nothing else. Which is why I was so suspect over all the tasting notes and wanted to dig deeper.

What I did was buy a few bottles (at the end of which I would've concluded the experiment) and drink a dram or two every other day or so.
Before drinking I would smell it a few times and really pay attention to the sensation of smell, while drinking I forced attention into the taste even though I dreaded it as it was literally just harsh alcohol (or in the case of Islay whiskies just ashtray and alcohol).
Whether smelling or tasting, I tried to derive any sort of information that I could distill from the experience (which was nothing but alcohol and ash initially). A little over a week or so in, I'd eventually get a split-second glimpse of what should be going on, and that kept me going for longer.
Some 3-4 weeks in I started smelling and testing feeble notes, which gradually kept opening up as time went by.

It's also worth noting that once I stopped drinking for a while my palette and sense of smell would decline and I would have to start over (albeit at a slightly higher level than before). So if you had large gaps between your experiments Bob, you might want to consider this.


I recommend a Glencairn glass, they're cheap and funnel the fumes in a way that is supposedly ideal for whiskies. Don't use those cool looking glasses from movies, as they let all the aromas and flavours escape.

Cover the sides of the glass with your drink by gently swirling it, don't go too violent or it did something with the alcohol that made it stand out. Smash your nose in, smell it, focus real hard on it, put it away. Repeat a few times. Then drink.

between just drinking a sip and keeping it in for 10 seconds or longer. In the latter case move it around in your mouth to cover all your taste buds. Keeping it in your mouth for a good 10 seconds also shifts the alcohol burn from your throat to your mouth, which lets it go down very smoothly regardless of proof.

Focus on the sensation and try to figure out what is happening with laser focus. This was very hard for me for a while.

As far as ice is concerned, do not use it. Do not chill your whisky. Keep it room temperature. Chilling it dulls the flavours and brings the alcohol to the front (unless that's your jam).

Water. Experiment with this. But don't dilute it. Just put in a small drop or two of water. That will do some crap where differently soluble parts of the whisky move up/down in the glass, which also changes the aroma and flavour profiles leading to a different drinking experience.
Very fun and a good way to make the learning experience more exciting, especially as your palette begins opening up. Blind tasting, especially with help of your partner is also a great way to accelerate your learning experience.


Now, with all this said. If you don't like whisky by default this is quite a challenge. I enjoyed it, but had to really power through unpleasant drink after unpleasant drink before my brain and taste buds adapted and learned to pick out increasingly refined details.

If you still want to go ahead, do some reading on different whisky types and pick a few of each that sound interesting to you. There are many different scotches which vary by region. Islay very peaty and smokey. Speysides are much more tame and sweet but no less interesting. Then there's a lot in between. Bourbons from what I can tell are more on the sweet and tame side as well, as are most Japanese whiskies.

If you don't mind paying upwards of $100 for a bottle and want to avoid bitter I can highly recommend Glenmorangie's Signet. It's almost a dessert wine. Fucking love that shit. My go to whisky for celebrating with friends who aren't into peat or heavy drinks.

Also, don't drink to a point where you get shitfaced, at least not repeatedly. It helped me to treat this challenge with discipline. Again, YMMV.

Sounds like $30k by Spring 2018 calls to me.


Also, sounds like your rules just simply didn't consider a $1k event at all.

Obligatory "I'd give her my Wan" iykwim

I can already live off of my crypto earnings comfortably. The type of profits I suggested would be in a range where I could dump some 20~50m into the development of a game without even flinching about potentially never making it back. Basically make something that I really want to see but never find due to CEOs cutting costs and keeping everything in a bland cookie-cutter manner. Not that I blame them, they are a business after all and need to appease their investors, but I do miss the wonder that old games made by nerds with a passion for the craft brought about and would like to see it brought back with cutting edge tools over tiny indie games. It's nothing of importance, but something that would be fun if I somehow managed to make all the right moves by gitting gud or lucking out.
Scholarships are a different story, since you can start handing those out even without being filthy rich, so I'm looking forward to that at some point (after I feel like I've spent enough time researching how to best go about it). And funding research I have no clue about. I suppose funds for a tenure and some assistants for a few years would be a good start. Also doable in the foreseeable future and more practical.



As far as people who bought in above $10k goes. Most of them will only have fractions of Bitcoin and not much spare cash to buy any more than a few more fractions of, or one or two Bitcoins at best. So it'll be pretty hard for them to retire without Bitcoin ballooning well above $100k. They're also most likely going to be the type that will lose most or all of their stash by trading, which doesn't make it much easier.
There are also very promising altcoins that increasingly reveal themselves as unicorns, albeit with the obvious associated risks involved. Those could help an average pleb increase their Bitcoin stash considerably, beyond what would be possible by cost averaging, buying dips, or trading the BTC/USD pair. But that game requires hundreds of hours of research and ideally some previous experience with analyzing the unknown and should never be done with sizeable amounts of one's Bitcoin portfolio, especially without extensive experience. The "y house gone" memes are even more fitting here than for just Bitcoin.

Of course, getting into the game and sticking around religiously will help them, even if Bitcoin goes to zero. Because they would eventually have spent a considerable amount of time paying attention to markets and learning about investing money and seeing it grow, rather than waiting for their fiat to drop to half its value every so many years. And investing is pretty much what separates the average net worth individuals from high net worth ones, so losing money to learn this lesson is surely worth it as long as people heed the mantra of not burning money they need for bills and whatnot.

I do think that your point has some merit to it. But aren't you attention whoring yourself by constantly bringing attention to his attention whoring? Both of which I find understandable in the light of the current market situation.

But in either case, this is a forum, on the internet. So who fucking cares either way? I'm enjoying the drama, but don't see why it's still going. During the bull market we were all having good chats. Now everybody is flipping out.
I guess the two of you are like me, where given a chance you'll keep shitposting and/or arguing 24/7. I get it, it's fun. But is it for you? If not the two of you might want to clam down.



Someone should quantify the WO drama indicator. I still think it would signal a reversal due to peaking salt levels lmao



Love you both, no homo.

Whisky is spelt whisky where whisky came from. The fucking Irish and Murricans changed it to Whiskey for marketing reasons. I wish I came up with hodl, but I did use the phrase 'clam down' well before that. What do I win?


P.S. Will respond to JJG later. Too drunk for so many words right now.

Laphroaig is a hit or miss. I love me some good peat, but it's definitely not for everyone. It took me a while to get into too, and I just sucked it up and kept trying a dram every few days for weeks before I could really taste and smell anything other than ashtray.

That's what got me really hooked on whisky though. I was curious to see if there was really something to all the flamboyant and over the top tasting notes that you see everywhere and bought 10 bottles of different scotches to figure out if the deal is real. It is. Who would've guessed that you have to actually buckle down to "learn" tasting.

Depends what you're into.

I'm quite fond of Caol Ila 12/18 which is peaty, but not as much as Laphroaig, and with a buttery/oily mouth feel that I quite appreciate.

My favourite whisky (so far with my limited experience) would be a Glenmorangie Signet though, which is quite sweet and actually has easily discernible notes of toffee, chocolate and less obvious coffee that you don't normally find in whisky.

As far as non-scotch goes, Japanese whiskies that I enjoyed were any Hibiki, Yamazaki, and Nikka Coffey Grain. They're much tamer than scotch, but interesting drinks nonetheless.

Haven't really played with American whiskies yet, but Maker's Mark is quite nice and very cheap.


Any recommendations that you have?

Statistically speaking you probably still drink more than me. I prefer the herb. Whisky I mostly enjoy for exploring what the fuck is going on with taste buds.

Fingers crossed crypto will have inversely correlated cycles.

How about we go to $1m and buy one of Musk's rockets. Fill it up with all the good shit (like the entire internet on hard drives, everything needed to have a wide selection of gourmet grade food, and tons of booze/weed and a selection of mind-altering substances). Then relocate to Mars and call it planet Bitcorn.