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3901  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 02, 2018, 01:54:46 AM
(snip)

So tell us darling - how do we know the bear market is over?

If we hit 20k it definitely is  Grin

Yeah that’s not particularly helpful for those who want to enter before then...

Can a series of movements be taken as a more reliable sign? As in "down to 9.8k-9.9k, up again to 12.2k and slowly climbing 100$ a day for a week"? Or some hydraulic quantitative measure (using Toxic's suggestive idea of pools that fill up)?

Maybe it's too simplistic to try and define a complex situation by a simple level to be reached, if the path is not also taken into account.
3902  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 02, 2018, 01:25:54 AM
A question running through my mind for the last few months:
For a society so used to a somewhat stable money value, what will be the effects of volatility in the masses?  What I mean is: Having something I believe is sovereign money, although volatile, continues to change my relationship to traditional paper money and bank digits (taking a back seat). When the masses come to accept this, I expect some drastic reality shift I can't quite imagine today.  Maybe it's not yet a question that can really be answered today. Maybe better,  How has your relationship to money changed since bitcoin?  Too serious?
  
My relationship with money has changed a lot. Almost every day, it occurs to me that so many worries and tears and toils are about - what - a btc cent? Ah, no, that's 1.5 cents. It doesn't change anything - all is relative, but in these occasions I feel like I'm living on another planet.

Perhaps more interestingly, now I see fiat money as funny color printed slips of paper that people give value to even if in some sense it isn't "real". It has no objectivity, for lack of a better word.

Or... no, wait a minute. We don't even get to see those slips of paper much anymore now, do we? More often that not, fiat money is a bunch of numbers in a giant database, much like bitcoin. Except, there are guys that have the master keys for some parts of this huge database, so they can edit, hack and play within a loose set of rules. No, I've got no such key unfortunately.

Also, bitcoin has taught me that my most precious resource is time. No matter how rich or lucky I am, my lifetime is capped. No soft or hard fork can inflate my healthy living years to 1000. It's important to make each minute count.

3903  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2018, 10:01:31 PM
Music isn't a competition. It's all about cooperation.

Any real musician's ears are far more important than his hands.
This winter, every jam I've been to had me thinking exactly this.
Recently, I'm always feeling like I'm the only one who knows when to stay low or lay out completely (if applicable).
I wish I knew better jams around here. Maybe it's a seasonal thing.
3904  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2018, 08:24:02 PM
As I observed most of the participants of this thread are giving merits to everyone, hoping I get also but I want to have smerit from my posts that having  good quality, because I want to rank up too in the future.
Not to just "everyone", though.

Just to those posts that are informative or useful or funny or have some other virtue.

I know it's unpleasant being a new user. I think you can't post links or images - or maybe you have some other serious limitation.

Here is your first merit, as a wish for more to come. Just keep posting good stuff, and they will come.

Welcome!
3905  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2018, 08:16:50 PM
wordy man can do the lyrics...

Best. Idea. Ever.



Helrow.

Does my avatar look lyricistical?   Roll Eyes
Not that much, but we were thinking of a LONG piece about ratts and laddered trades.
3906  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2018, 08:07:34 PM
You guys are making me feel better about my...not...shredding ability.
I knew you played guitar as soon as I saw your defensive response "But sometimes it's hard to hear guitars over the drums!" (quoting from memory).  Tongue Tongue

Your shredding inability gives some hope to the fact you might still be a worthy human being after all.

 Wink
3907  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2018, 11:56:57 AM

I am into trains, this is why I am here  Cheesy

Is it just me, or this guy has been de-panted too??  Shocked  Huh
3908  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2018, 11:18:56 AM
reinforcements needed ... troops look unconvinced

If they're still wearing pants they're not fighting hard enough.
Everybody just stop mentioning the bloody PANTS, mkay?  Angry
3909  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2018, 05:16:06 AM
make the guitar guys all play small Class A amps. Point them at their ears

That serves them right with their "I can't hear myself!" mantra 3:-)
3910  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2018, 05:09:49 AM
d_eddie: Solo gigs? No, these were full band gigs. Sometimes with too many guitar players.
Actually, I was thinking about moving around a Leslie and several keyboards - "occasionally a real Hammond." (!)  Cry
3911  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2018, 04:03:08 AM
Cheers, Jimbo! I've played about 450 (4-hour) gigs in the last 6 years, in addition to the 40-50 hours a week slave labor. I dearly love it, but I'm hauling a rebuilt 1962  Leslie cab (internally miced, line out to the PA), assorted keyboards (occasionally a real Hammond)

Alone? You've got my respect.
3912  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2018, 03:57:13 AM
Mark my words, before too long banks will be offering to hold your bitcoin for you (securely of course) and transferring between fiat to btc, and back, with little to no fee as incentive.

I'll say it again. I would trust some of my btc to a traditional bank, as long as

- The deposit is backed by (audited) crypto or undilutable bank stock (ordinary bonds would be OK too)

- I get my interest (in btc). A reasonable 10% or something like that, depending on market conditions.

These banks will find out that luring old school hodlers to part temporarily with their precioussss takes more than a flashy brochure.
They can shove 10% up their ass. I'd rather support a public firm at those rates.
How would you support a public firm with your bitcoin?

10% sounds nice to me because at current prices, it allows a hodler to extract a decent living in decent places
on double digits deposits. Imagine someone well into triple digits opening such accounts on different banks. (Inb4 jews, usury, Rube Goldberg).

And any higher than that they can't guarantee anyways. I'd consider a bank safe with a hardware or paper wallet if it was insured for the fiat equivalent of the Bitcorns regardless of market situation, but I don't think there are any insurances that cover dynamic valuations without extracting insane fees that would render the whole deal uneconomical.
Not that I believe it's going to happen. But that's what I meant by "a fancy brochure" - that they can't offer anything like what I'm asking. The same I meant by "backed by crypto", and by "uninflatable bank stock" (does anything like uninflatable stocks exist at all? Let's ask Torque  Wink) - collateral they will lose if things go south.

Bitserve's sane, practical words raise similar issues.

They couldn't give any interest rate unless they were allowed to:

a) Running fractional reserve
This wouldn't be allowed since "backed by crypto" also implies "auditable by the end user". I'm thinking positions backed by individual public addresses or LN channels. Not going to happen, I agree.

b) Shorting the market (selling YOUR BTC)
And give me back 110% of it each year. At cheaper prices of course, but how would they manage a btc bank run? They'd need to buy back and the squishy-squeezy sounds would reach the moon a whole day before the corn.

There's absolutely no way I can think of... unless a market of fully insured Bitcoin lending would exist and offered better returns than those 10% they would give you... which it doesn't.
Indeed. But if it did, their profit over 10% would be justified by swallowing the counterparty risk for me.

You could be glad if they don't charge you a custody fee for holding your BTC.
Reality, again. Thanks for spoiling my dream.
3913  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 28, 2018, 07:51:17 PM
Spike in mem pool activity over the past 4 hours
Doesn't sound good.
3914  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 28, 2018, 06:17:25 PM
Mark my words, before too long banks will be offering to hold your bitcoin for you (securely of course) and transferring between fiat to btc, and back, with little to no fee as incentive.

I'll say it again. I would trust some of my btc to a traditional bank, as long as

- The deposit is backed by (audited) crypto or undilutable bank stock (ordinary bonds would be OK too)

- I get my interest (in btc). A reasonable 10% or something like that, depending on market conditions.

These banks will find out that luring old school hodlers to part temporarily with their precioussss takes more than a flashy brochure.
3915  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 28, 2018, 10:57:28 AM
Probably irrelevant, but here's a fresh AMA by Bill and Melinda Gates on Reddit.
I haven't read it, and don't think I will in the near future.
A page search for "bitcoin" yielded nothing, but I didn't bother searching for "crypto" or other related terms.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/80ow6w/im_bill_gates_cochair_of_the_bill_melinda_gates/
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/80ow6w/im_bill_gates_cochair_of_the_bill_melinda_gates/dux49ll/

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The main feature of crypto currencies is their anonymity. I don't think this is a good thing. The Governments ability to find money laundering and tax evasion and terrorist funding is a good thing. Right now crypto currencies are used for buying fentanyl and other drugs so it is a rare technology that has caused deaths in a fairly direct way. I think the speculative wave around ICOs and crypto currencies is super risky for those who go long.
Aahh... so THAT was the source. Thanks for straightening me out, BTCMILLIONAIRE.

(Super-OT - Fentanyl is indeed a serious issue. If they just didn't bunch lethal opioids with mostly harmless stuff when writing laws or answering AMAs... but sorry I digress.)
3916  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 28, 2018, 10:48:06 AM
Probably irrelevant, but here's a fresh AMA by Bill and Melinda Gates on Reddit.
I haven't read it, and don't think I will in the near future.
A page search for "bitcoin" yielded nothing, but I didn't bother searching for "crypto" or other related terms.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/80ow6w/im_bill_gates_cochair_of_the_bill_melinda_gates/
3917  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 28, 2018, 10:36:43 AM
Anyone know how to get cryptowatch to display the chart in log scale? Can't find the option

hover over this thingy (top centre right) and your dreams will come true
~
meanwhile Rabobank wants our bitcoins
http://www.rabobit.nl/

Store your cryptocurrencies in a wallet hosted by a trusted party and within the secure online banking environment.

It could be interesting if there was a reasonable yearly interest.
Like 10% backed by crypto reserves. Or by 2x undiluted stocks.
Not gonna happen eh?  Tongue
3918  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 28, 2018, 12:41:09 AM
(...) Bill Gates
said that the ease with which people can anonymously buy drugs is a major problem
I'd say it depends on the drugs one buys.

And even if it's some "wrong" drug, getting it anonymously on the Internet sure beats looking for a fix in dodgy places.
3919  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 28, 2018, 12:36:22 AM
Vastly offtopic - but more relevant than race talk.

Bill Gates is the same guy who said "64 kB should be enough for anyone". Now he denies the quote is legit, but he sure acted like it, failing to endow DOS and the first Windows versions with proper memory addressing.

I almost didn't want to respond to this but... well...  No.

First, he never said that. Second, it was not 64k, but 640 Ki. Lastly, have you ever looked at the architecture of an 8088? It weren't no 6800. 1 MiB was the limit before resorting to silly paging techniques like those required on an 8051 or somesuch. Some area needed to be set aside for drivers, HW, and OS. High memory was chosen for that - less than half.
Right, it's 640, I was off by a factor of 10.

8088... no, never touched one. But I do have a secondhand idea of how an 80x86 works - and I think 286 and 386 (full 32 bit addressing possible) were current at the time he is reported to have said that (late 80's/early '90s). Advanced users were forced to use memory extender add-ons. The memory model concept was an ugly kludge, even if the quote is a fake.

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Sure, in retrospect we probably would have done it different. But I'm guessing ol' Bill never dreamed that the crude CP/M boot loader and disk reader that he bought would form the foundation for the bulk of computing for decades to come.
By that time, he knew already. Hence his dream of conquering the world with the Microsoft Network.
3920  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2018, 10:30:11 PM
http://uk.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-on-cryptocurrency-2018-2?r=US&IR=T

    Billionaire philanthropist and Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates said no technology has "caused deaths in a fairly direct way" to the extent that cryptocurrencies have.
    He said that the ease with which people can anonymously buy drugs is a major problem, and suggested that cryptocurrencies are used to launder money and fund terrorist organizations.
    Gates also added that "the speculative wave" around initial coin offerings and cryptocurrencies is "super risky."


Bill Gates is the same guy who said "64 kB should be enough for anyone". Now he denies the quote is legit, but he sure acted like it, failing to endow DOS and the first Windows versions with proper memory addressing.

Bill Gates is also the same guy who thought the Internet, anarchic network of networks as it used to be, would be a passing fad and everyone would just use the Microsoft Network.
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