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1561  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 23, 2017, 12:07:54 AM
This issue also happened to dash on Halloween.  I had to make a few more changes.  Hopefully we got it this time.  Please upgrade again, we have to have a supermajority to prevent the new proposals from being deleted.  

BiblePay - Watchman-On-The-Wall v1.0.0.3
Mandatory Upgrade for Sanctuaries Only

- Prevent decimal format handling errors

Upgrade instructions:

cd ~/.biblepaycore
rm watchman -R
git clone https://github.com/biblepay/watchman.git
cd watchman
virtualenv venv
venv/bin/pip install -r requirements.txt

To test:
venv/bin/python bin/watchman.py
(Ensure watchman.py returns no errors)

1562  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 22, 2017, 10:42:50 PM
616westwarmoth had fantastic advice on Backing up your Wallet: https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/7lksp4/backup_walletdat/
please everyone encrypt and backup your wallets, and dont forget the encryption password!
1563  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 22, 2017, 10:37:44 PM
Does anyone have an up-to-date node list?

Is this what you are looking for?  https://biblepay-explorer.org/network
1564  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 22, 2017, 08:07:24 PM
Ok thanks, so Ive been analyzing the problem and I think I found the root of the problem now, but it might not be this easy to solve (although it might be).

I believe what I did is last night I had everyone erase the entire proposals database in linux, causing it to start from empty.

So - all proposals need resubmitted into the sanctuaries, but- luckily I found a backup of them...
So Im working on restoring those now- so no need to enter any more from the pool but thanks for entering the one.

Now, the bigger issue is I introduced a bug into watchman, and believe I just fixed it in the source, but its hard to tell if its fixed now.. I need a few people to re-upgrade watchman again... So anyone out there on the forum, please upgrade watchman like you did last night so we can test for stability.

Ill work on resubmitting the proposals, and we will see if they stick this time overnight as we vote on them.  The votes may auto calculate, but I havent checked that yet.

Upgrade instructions:

cd ~/.biblepaycore
rm watchman -R
git clone https://github.com/biblepay/watchman.git
cd watchman
virtualenv venv
venv/bin/pip install -r requirements.txt

To test:
venv/bin/python bin/watchman.py
(Ensure watchman.py returns no errors)

Upgraded and got no output which means no errors Smiley
1565  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 22, 2017, 07:51:28 PM
hmm weird, now Im only seeing my Test Proposal in the gobject list

Code:
13:48:36

gobject list


13:48:36

{
  "71995b32e0968c2e26ea537955c8f7e59e03b018389225ea31ad5d1b94825e92": {
    "DataHex": "5b5b2270726f706f73616c222c7b22656e645f65706f6368223a2231353133393639313535222c226e616d65223a22546573742050726f706f73616c222c227061796d656e745f61646472657373223a22424e4b68365a38744b6145546f4679517a636666677352396773736a65434d5a4c57222c227061796d656e745f616d6f756e74223a22313030222c2273746172745f65706f6368223a2231353133393639313535222c2274797065223a312c2275726c223a22687474703a2f2f666f72756d2e6269626c657061792e6f72672f696e6465782e7068703f746f7069633d35392e6d7367393539236d7367393539227d5d5d",
    "DataString": "[[\"proposal\",{\"end_epoch\":\"1513969155\",\"name\":\"Test Proposal\",\"payment_address\":\"BNKh6Z8tKaEToFyQzcffgsR9gssjeCMZLW\",\"payment_amount\":\"100\",\"start_epoch\":\"1513969155\",\"type\":1,\"url\":\"http://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=59.msg959#msg959\"}]]",
    "Hash": "71995b32e0968c2e26ea537955c8f7e59e03b018389225ea31ad5d1b94825e92",
    "CollateralHash": "0061cdf97875fa94c737e03b0941b01e2e991f6c9d5cc720a3b6ec4f0d9e6f6b",
    "ObjectType": 1,
    "CreationTime": 1513969155,
    "AbsoluteYesCount": 0,
    "YesCount": 0,
    "NoCount": 0,
    "AbstainCount": 0,
    "fBlockchainValidity": true,
    "IsValidReason": "",
    "fCachedValid": true,
    "fCachedFunding": false,
    "fCachedDelete": false,
    "fCachedEndorsed": false
  }
}

I was able to vote yes on it, but not on your 2nd proposal or the masternodes.online proposal
1566  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 22, 2017, 07:23:21 PM
Hmmm Im trying to vote on the masternodes.online proposal but Im getting an error and my gobject list is empty? >.>
Do I need to clear out a data file?

On another wallet the list shows up fine, weird.
Do me a favor Togo, try getting the latest watchman that I just checked in (using the same upgrade commands as last night), and after that please enter one of your proposals again, and then vote on it.

Ill duplicate one of mine also.  Lets see if thats the problem or not.

When the aftermath is over we will delete the duplicates.



Hmmm, my remote Linux Sanctuary Wallet has the latest Watchman installed,
but when trying to use gobject list from my local Windows Controller Wallet Im getting that lack of data / cant vote.

I dont think the Windows Controller wallet needs to have watchman? Im not seeing it in my %appdata%/BiblePayCore folder.

I can try reindexing
and if that doesnt work then try deleting/cleaning up the dat files chainstate & blocks folders and reindexing again.
Or is there something else I should try? Thanks!

Strange I did a reindex and then a full clean up and reindex, still getting same results, empty gobject list and then Ill get one object:

Code:
12:53:01

gobject list


12:53:01

{
  "4a599a50bd539aa2d254e3a5f42745e8ae37b83d18f8d84ea7f55796f1321335": {
    "DataHex": "5b5b227761746368646f67222c207b22637265617465645f6174223a20313531333936383533372c202274797065223a20337d5d5d",
    "DataString": "[[\"watchdog\", {\"created_at\": 1513968537, \"type\": 3}]]",
    "Hash": "4a599a50bd539aa2d254e3a5f42745e8ae37b83d18f8d84ea7f55796f1321335",
    "CollateralHash": "0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000",
    "ObjectType": 3,
    "CreationTime": 1513968537,
    "SigningMasternode": "15777add3b416d61ef0032ac8569f307ee63bac8aca2bba64569391fccf57795-1",
    "AbsoluteYesCount": 0,
    "YesCount": 0,
    "NoCount": 0,
    "AbstainCount": 0,
    "fBlockchainValidity": true,
    "IsValidReason": "",
    "fCachedValid": true,
    "fCachedFunding": false,
    "fCachedDelete": true,
    "fCachedEndorsed": false
  }
}

Ill create a test proposal

Hmm my controller wallet is seeing alot of Sanctuaries in WATCHDOG_EXPIRED state now hmmm
gobject list is empty again, Ill wait for those 2 new proposals to move from prepared to submitted and check in a bit

Ok I think I see the 2 new proposals with gobject list, yours has been submitted and I believe mine is still in prepare state

Code:
13:21:45

gobject list


13:21:45

{
  "1d4ff4e2e296c1ee2d7fb5064eb78917175dd9c0e6b6df1a8b2413b0a1e940db": {
    "DataHex": "5b5b227761746368646f67222c207b22637265617465645f6174223a20313531333937303238302c202274797065223a20337d5d5d",
    "DataString": "[[\"watchdog\", {\"created_at\": 1513970280, \"type\": 3}]]",
    "Hash": "1d4ff4e2e296c1ee2d7fb5064eb78917175dd9c0e6b6df1a8b2413b0a1e940db",
    "CollateralHash": "0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000",
    "ObjectType": 3,
    "CreationTime": 1513970280,
    "SigningMasternode": "ba37161123b6993af2330aa00facb210e9d69fc9fcb4f4de400e3695db66cf5a-0",
    "AbsoluteYesCount": 0,
    "YesCount": 0,
    "NoCount": 0,
    "AbstainCount": 0,
    "fBlockchainValidity": true,
    "IsValidReason": "",
    "fCachedValid": true,
    "fCachedFunding": false,
    "fCachedDelete": false,
    "fCachedEndorsed": false
  },
  "d8fc6cf849e473b90c4e3507cea9a7eb1b87b67d6b618b802ffc8a8843b50ce1": {
    "DataHex": "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",
    "DataString": "[[\"proposal\",{\"end_epoch\":\"1513967446\",\"name\":\"Dec 2017 IT Expenses - Payroll (2)\",\"payment_address\":\"BAqBZkMieZfES9LkVgcMmMPv3E68tZt9G8\",\"payment_amount\":\"867333.00\",\"start_epoch\":\"1513967446\",\"type\":1,\"url\":\"http://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=54.msg914#msg914\"}]]",
    "Hash": "d8fc6cf849e473b90c4e3507cea9a7eb1b87b67d6b618b802ffc8a8843b50ce1",
    "CollateralHash": "26828e7d3a256469170145fee07e955e440e0e229b8fc50fabb0b56023c4806e",
    "ObjectType": 1,
    "CreationTime": 1513967446,
    "AbsoluteYesCount": 0,
    "YesCount": 0,
    "NoCount": 0,
    "AbstainCount": 0,
    "fBlockchainValidity": true,
    "IsValidReason": "",
    "fCachedValid": true,
    "fCachedFunding": false,
    "fCachedDelete": false,
    "fCachedEndorsed": false
  },
  "d75320bf9af56698d03b25ed6e7ac5d110fe62801040fc7506426f8bfa2916fb": {
    "DataHex": "5b5b227761746368646f67222c207b22637265617465645f6174223a20313531333937303434352c202274797065223a20337d5d5d",
    "DataString": "[[\"watchdog\", {\"created_at\": 1513970445, \"type\": 3}]]",
    "Hash": "d75320bf9af56698d03b25ed6e7ac5d110fe62801040fc7506426f8bfa2916fb",
    "CollateralHash": "0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000",
    "ObjectType": 3,
    "CreationTime": 1513970445,
    "SigningMasternode": "4a6d5b74939f29f76030fb80204a244f46b2dbdc13656db05e8372e6bfdee8be-1",
    "AbsoluteYesCount": 0,
    "YesCount": 0,
    "NoCount": 0,
    "AbstainCount": 0,
    "fBlockchainValidity": true,
    "IsValidReason": "",
    "fCachedValid": true,
    "fCachedFunding": false,
    "fCachedDelete": false,
    "fCachedEndorsed": false
  }
}
1567  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 22, 2017, 07:05:40 PM
Hmm my controller wallet is seeing alot of Sanctuaries in WATCHDOG_EXPIRED state now hmmm
gobject list is empty again, Ill wait for those 2 new proposals to move from prepared to submitted and check in a bit
1568  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 22, 2017, 06:54:55 PM
Hmmm Im trying to vote on the masternodes.online proposal but Im getting an error and my gobject list is empty? >.>
Do I need to clear out a data file?

On another wallet the list shows up fine, weird.
Do me a favor Togo, try getting the latest watchman that I just checked in (using the same upgrade commands as last night), and after that please enter one of your proposals again, and then vote on it.

Ill duplicate one of mine also.  Lets see if thats the problem or not.

When the aftermath is over we will delete the duplicates.



Hmmm, my remote Linux Sanctuary Wallet has the latest Watchman installed,
but when trying to use gobject list from my local Windows Controller Wallet Im getting that lack of data / cant vote.

I dont think the Windows Controller wallet needs to have watchman? Im not seeing it in my %appdata%/BiblePayCore folder.

I can try reindexing
and if that doesnt work then try deleting/cleaning up the dat files chainstate & blocks folders and reindexing again.
Or is there something else I should try? Thanks!

Strange I did a reindex and then a full clean up and reindex, still getting same results, empty gobject list and then Ill get one object:

Code:
12:53:01

gobject list


12:53:01

{
  "4a599a50bd539aa2d254e3a5f42745e8ae37b83d18f8d84ea7f55796f1321335": {
    "DataHex": "5b5b227761746368646f67222c207b22637265617465645f6174223a20313531333936383533372c202274797065223a20337d5d5d",
    "DataString": "[[\"watchdog\", {\"created_at\": 1513968537, \"type\": 3}]]",
    "Hash": "4a599a50bd539aa2d254e3a5f42745e8ae37b83d18f8d84ea7f55796f1321335",
    "CollateralHash": "0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000",
    "ObjectType": 3,
    "CreationTime": 1513968537,
    "SigningMasternode": "15777add3b416d61ef0032ac8569f307ee63bac8aca2bba64569391fccf57795-1",
    "AbsoluteYesCount": 0,
    "YesCount": 0,
    "NoCount": 0,
    "AbstainCount": 0,
    "fBlockchainValidity": true,
    "IsValidReason": "",
    "fCachedValid": true,
    "fCachedFunding": false,
    "fCachedDelete": true,
    "fCachedEndorsed": false
  }
}

Ill create a test proposal
1569  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 22, 2017, 06:34:48 PM
Hmmm Im trying to vote on the masternodes.online proposal but Im getting an error and my gobject list is empty? >.>
Do I need to clear out a data file?

On another wallet the list shows up fine, weird.
Do me a favor Togo, try getting the latest watchman that I just checked in (using the same upgrade commands as last night), and after that please enter one of your proposals again, and then vote on it.

Ill duplicate one of mine also.  Lets see if thats the problem or not.

When the aftermath is over we will delete the duplicates.



Hmmm, my remote Linux Sanctuary Wallet has the latest Watchman installed,
but when trying to use gobject list from my local Windows Controller Wallet Im getting that lack of data / cant vote.

I dont think the Windows Controller wallet needs to have watchman? Im not seeing it in my %appdata%/BiblePayCore folder.

I can try reindexing
and if that doesnt work then try deleting/cleaning up the dat files chainstate & blocks folders and reindexing again.
Or is there something else I should try? Thanks!
1570  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 22, 2017, 06:27:27 PM
Bitcoin is on Christmas sale  Cool
Bitcoin has had 30%+ dips 5-6 times this year and gone on to reach new highs,
weak hands will be shaken out, and Wall St will get bargain prices, HODL!

Theres this Warrent Buffet quote: "the stock market is a device for transferring money from the impatient to the patient"
1571  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 22, 2017, 06:00:50 PM
Hmmm Im trying to vote on the masternodes.online proposal but Im getting an error and my gobject list is empty? >.>
Do I need to clear out a data file?

On another wallet the list shows up fine, weird.
1572  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 22, 2017, 02:12:30 AM
Tested on a sanctuary, no errors/output! Thanks Rob Smiley
1573  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 21, 2017, 10:35:12 PM
I was really waiting for the launch of the masternode, you could not give me instructions on how to start, or how can I participate in the masternode?

http://wiki.biblepay.org/Create_Sanctuary
http://wiki.biblepay.org/Create_Sanctuary_2
1574  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 21, 2017, 08:23:45 PM
One trap I think we risk falling into with comparing what we make in our normal jobs or what a pro makes is this.  If we compare what we "could" make in our normal job doing a non-related job, it compares apples to oranges.  So if a volunteer from a 3rd world country says they make $4/day and the job took 4 hours should we pay them $2?  Or if a pro athlete wanted to code for us, their time isn't really worth $50k/hour to do that coding.  Comparing to average wages is better, but the issue there is if I'm writing technical documents (which I think I write reasonably), I'm still probably not going to be as good as someone who does that for a living.  If we could hire a professional tech writer for $20-25/hr why would we pay the same for a non-tech writer to do the same?

I think over time we'll see some of this shake out and we'll start to see standard sorts of values be asked for.  But my opinion is our standard rate shouldn't be the same as the industry rate.  And certainly not if the person doing the work is not comparably trained/skilled to an industry professional.

Understandably, but also there is a scarcity factor here, supply and demand,
how many Technical Writers and Public Relations people are also comfortable/knowledgeable about Cryptocurrency?
and also how many are specifically interested and knowledgeable about our project?

The U.S. vs the World pay rates is an interesting point, cryptocurrencies are a global currency,
most peoples pay is tied to where they live and the economic conditions and taxes/politics of where they live,
but since we all have internet access we can all work together, I wonder what the global payrate for work will be.

Id be interested on your thoughts on what you believe the different payscales and payrates for different jobs that have been proposed so far are.
And also what would be your payrate for researching, combining and publishing those results be? Smiley
1575  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 21, 2017, 07:49:20 PM
Australian Pastor Steve Cioccolanti started a Crypto Christian Facebook Club: https://twitter.com/cioccolanti/status/943747394235023360
Anyone interested to join in?  Smiley  https://www.facebook.com/21Million.Crypto.Christians
1576  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 21, 2017, 06:53:13 PM
Again, Togo, you've been awesome so I'm not trying to run you down.  I more or less just didn't grasp the Bloom proposal to it's fullest.

In the future, can we perhaps open the thread, discuss it for let's say five days and then put it up for vote?  I realize that may not always be practical, but that way if person "A" is thinking their work is worth $20/hr, and "B" thinks it's $15, it can be debated before submitting?

I dont take it that way at all west, its good feedback! and good discussion! I hope I dont come off in any bad way, I like discussing Smiley

===

I raised my hourly rate based on the only money feedback I got from webster saying that my Sanctuary Guide was worth 3x more.

As a software developer in real life I make $30+/hour.
(I get paid quite a bit lower than what Im potentially worth as a dev,
but I traded pay for a smaller more laid back company and getting my own office Wink)

Only after the fact of submitting all my proposals I finally looked up rates,
I found that technical writers get paid $20-25/hr bottom 10-25% https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes273042.htm
and that public relation specialists get paid $15-20/hr bottom 10-25% https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes273031.htm

So in the future I will try to reference data like this.

====

On the BLOOM PR proposal, its a potential double win,

April the Director of BLOOM (Be Loved! Orphan Outreach Missions) is comfortable with cryptocurrency,
so not only does BLOOM meet our 75% charity efficiency requirements, and is a christian nonprofit,
their director seems to be okay with being paid in BiblePay coins and submitting proposals herself.

Right now Rob handles all the Compassion stuff himself, I dont think anyone at Compassion knows about cryptocurrencies.
April and her team could pick up and do that same work that Rob currently does for Compassion.

But that's just win number one, win number two is that April has worked in PR firms
and has actually done PR for the cryptocurrency Factom 2 years ago and got them into Fortune, etc.
So this was also building a relationship with a PR person since we have no PR person yet.

I had some anxiety the whole time before meeting up with her,
Im your typical introverted/nerdy in the corner software developer who is a homebody hahaha,
so this was out of my comfort zone, and I had to represent us and sell BiblePay and answer lots of questions like Who is Rob? LOL

Ive emailed back with her a few more times after the fact explaining things and giving her more info,
Shes read the current proposals and I hope she submits a proposal because we could really use some PR
(I believe she will be submitting one, but we shall see).

There is still 600k BBP in our PR budget.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations

I dont want to speak too much for April or for BLOOM,
but I know I left out some details in the proposal that might help you understand the potential value here.
1577  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 21, 2017, 05:53:36 PM
The previous work should be rewarded. But you need to figure out a reasonable amount. It may take 10 hours for you to do that work. But it may take other 1 hour to do the same work. It depends on the experience and how your proposal can convince other people.

Also, we all benefit from the price increase recently.

@Rob and Togo. You've made some really valid points here. And I agree that I don't want to bog down progress by taking a 'bureaucratic route'. But I also don't want people turning sour because they don't get payed after putting in many hours in a side-project that just isn't 'it' for Biblepay.

And I'd like to add that I haven't voted 'no' on any of the proposals yet (including nananaminers), I just voted 'yes' on the ones I absolutely agree with. For the rest of the proposals, I'd rather have a dialogue about pro's and con's before commiting. But as I said: you've made some excellent points, and I really like your spirit Togo, and I absolutely see the value you have added to this project.

Seekselince1's point was also in the back of my mind. I just want this project to get the right exposure and development, and for that, we need the right people in the right place. And I'm trying to determine what that means, that's all Smiley

I totally understand yalls viewpoints and concerns, I share the same, and I hope our different perspectives/beliefs/experiences will balance each other out Smiley

===

In hindsight I was kind of "bad" and didnt leave my proposals open for discussion before submitting them,
for any future proposals I will try to leave them open for at least a week or two.

===

> "I also don't want people turning sour because they don't get payed after putting in many hours in a side-project that just isn't 'it' for Biblepay."

If the person takes the risk of doing something that may not be approved, thats on them, Im okay with it,
and if we don't want to pay them or pay them less for their work because it is lower quality work or not worth what they proposed, than that is what we should do.
Its up to each person to decide how much risk they want to take. And its up to Sanctuary owners to decide what is worth what, what should be approved, what should be prioritized.

===

Again, this is not a knock on anyone.  But people volunteered their skills to make this coin a success.  I am a little if-fy on a few parts of one of Togo's proposals, but since he's shown to be such a vital asset to the community with his PR activities I think he needs rewarded.  Writing a script to install, which was likely based on Togo's guide?  Good but I don't really see that as such monumental contribution (although I have yet to vote on it and will likely vote yes).  And this is coming from me, I spent nearly $450 on the logo contest and got donations worth about half that.  I haven't made a bit deal about that because, again, it was done prior to their being a budget and done with the knowledge that it was how "I could help" the coin.

In general, I feel that work done prior to budgets should have been done with the understanding it was for the community.  I would feel a lot different if the script was submitted to the main branch and added to the main branch.  But I also have to applaud the user for doing something for the community and more importantly, not being the one to complain or criticize the community for not saying yes.  That's probably the main reason I will vote yes on a proposal I am undecided about, has the user been valuable to the community?  Do I want to encourage future value from them?

I agree with Togo's point of work that work done in advance is in many cases ideal (since motivation or opportunity strikes at odd times, and if the work is done, there's no chance the proposal won't be followed up with).  However, I would say if it's not time sensitive, asking before doing would be preferred in my book.

On the subject of abstain, I've done that on a few proposals.  To me it's a sign that yes, I read and just couldn't decide how to vote, versus the chance a non-vote would be seen as apathy.

616west I think you should be rewarded for the logo contest! This is your chance now!,
I would vote right away for a proposal for you to be back paid on the cost plus work you did based on a way lower BBP price, you deserve it!
I wasnt a fan of the logo the first week but its really grown on me and makes us look very professional.

There is still 200k+ BBP not requested for yet in the P2P fund
(EDIT: I spoke too soon, masternodes.online proposal will potentially eat up the remaining of that, there is still 600k in the PR fund, I would totally vote to use some of the PR fund for the logo since we have no PR people (yet)[I believe April might be writing up a PR proposal, I didnt want to speak for her, but she has done cryptocurrency PR for Factom in the past])

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> "In general, I feel that work done prior to budgets should have been done with the understanding it was for the community"'

I disagree with this, I wouldnt have worked as hard if there was not going to be a potential reward,
I would have let others do the "free" work while my coins grow in value from their work while I contribute very little.
And I would have put my time and energy into other side projects.
I had at least somewhat of an expectation that I would be somewhat rewarded, whether that expectation was right or wrong, we shall see LOL.

This is the problem with other coins, they do not have a governance model / budget proposal system,
There is very little to no incentive for anyone to do any work, everyone wants to hold onto their coins.
Most people are profit driven, whether someone thinks its moral/right or not, profits get me going, its what motivates me to work hard.
(If anyone wants to do free work for me I am hiring LOL Wink)

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> "I am a little if-fy on a few parts of one of Togo's proposals"

If there is anything concerning please let me know! I will do my best to give more details or change things based on feedback.
1578  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 21, 2017, 02:36:47 PM
[New Proposal Added]

I don't have a sanctuary yet since my coins are stuck in C-Cex, but testing out the proposals in the meantime. (Thanks Togo for the nudge)
Here's my proposal for my auto pool mining script back in October.

http://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=56.msg920#msg920


Feel free to vote yes or no.
Cheers,

Nananaminer's script improved upon my Linux guide and basically made a one click miner for command line users.

I had no idea there was a -y flag that would automatically say yes during the install process, that is neat.
With my guide you have to enter in each line one by one and click enter all the time.

This script also has a parameter to add a worker name and auto add it into the config, it also auto sets up the config with the pool settings.

This script probably helped a few Linux/Ubuntu users start mining (one click mining basically),
but probably also helped miners with many machines install on all their machines quickly,
miners strengthen the network and make us more resilient to 51% attacks.

There is still a few hundred thousand coins in the IT budget for this budget cycle, Nana is only requesting 16k BBP, I vote yes

1579  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 21, 2017, 02:16:20 PM
[New Proposal Added]

I don't have a sanctuary yet since my coins are stuck in C-Cex, but testing out the proposals in the meantime. (Thanks Togo for the nudge)
Here's my proposal for my auto pool mining script back in October.

http://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=56.msg920#msg920


Feel free to vote yes or no.
Cheers,

Sorry, but that's not how this works. All kinds of development for the coin can be good, plus, we need the miners, and I want new miners to be able to start mining without needing much technical knowledge.

But while I think development should be applauded, I don't think we should simply hand out money for things that were developed on a voluntary basis in the past, as I think that's the wrong approach. That's why I also have concerns regarding Togo's billing of some his activities (I think he's doing an AWESOME job btw, I just think not all of his past activities should be compensated with monetary funds).

I'm all for submitting proposals and making this coin really work. But I think we should take the forward approach instead of a backward one. I don't want to incentivise people to go out there and do stuff and try to get money for it afterwards (not that anyone did that in the past!)

So I'm all about where we want to go from here, and then allocate people and resources from the superblock to really make things happen.


I believe we should reward people for previous work,

Let's step through the opposite scenario:
I don't do any work for the project, I just now make forum proposals,
I wait 2 weeks while we debate, my proposals get approved and budgeted,
and then January 1st, 2018 I start the Twitter, Reddit, Advertising/Marketing, Technical Writing, Testing and Documentation.

Would this have been best for the project?
Would the project have grown as much? and been as successful as quickly?

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Maybe Im a bit of a wildcard, Im not a fan of the waterfall method, bureaucracy and red tape,
I strike while the iron is hot, while Im passionate (motivated),
I take risks, I jump into unknowns and am willing to be uncomfortable,
I love the agile method, throwing paint on the wall and seeing what sticks, the creative process.

To me this is a startup company and time is of the essence.
Rob can have a fantastic product, which he does, but if no one knows about it than its not worth much.
I stepped up and filled in the missing gaps and did my best to complement my skills to Robs.

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A large risk/downfall of the propose and wait scenario,
someone could propose that they will do X, Y, Z, we pay them, and then they take the money and run,

in these back pay scenarios, we already see that the work is done and the value the work has broughten
(so the person doing the work took on the risk and sanctuary owners didnt take on any risk)

I was willing to take the risk.

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I want everyone to be rewarded for their work. I encourage that we back pay to people who already did work.
1580  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BiblePay - New Coin Launch - Official Thread on: December 21, 2017, 12:01:36 AM
// Final Distribution: 10% Charity, 2.5% PR, 2.5% P2P, 5% for IT
so of the budget that would be 50% Charity, 12.5% PR, 12.5% P2P, 25% IT

5,789,219.786313 Total BBP this Budget cycle:

50.0% Charity = 2,894,609.89
12.5% PR        =   723,652.47
12.5% P2P       =   723,652.47
25.0% IT         = 1,447,304.94

(I rounded the decimals at the end)
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