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561  Economy / Economics / Re: Money Supply Growth Has Never Been As High As It Is Today on: October 16, 2020, 06:38:10 PM
If I ever understand as little as 1% of what they’re talking about, I think they’re telling people to keep spending money, keep borrowing more money, keep taking more loan, and that will fix the inflation miraculously.

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Economist and former Treasury official Nathan Sheets counters that if businesses aren’t inclined to spend, the larger money supply may do little to fan inflation.

That quote was a description of the relationship between fiscal policies, GDP growth and inflation. During a recession, just as this one, banks adopt policies to cushion the effect and turn the eonomy around. Injecting cash into the market can function to increase productivity boosting the GDP, it can also lead to inflation; However, all of these factors are dependent on the circulation of money being pumped into the market. If stimulus checks sit around as savings in banks, it does not influence inflation and also doesn't help the economy.

This suggests why the cash injection which has been going into the market may not increase inflation as most people fear. The pandemic has created an unconducive environment for production, reducing the velocity of money flow and conversely reducing its effect on inflation. This is why I think countries would feel the effect of money printing at a time in the future when the economy has recovered and all those idle money returns to circulation.

Yup in a laymen term, bank can control everything, we are all under the mercy of their policing.
562  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Opinions on relationship in the society. on: October 16, 2020, 06:06:33 PM
Yeah I know, this is why I said human being can’t resist love, they can try to resist it for a long time, but they will eventually give in, so give in the demand of getting into relationship, what’s wrong with working together as a team? A lot of thing can goes wrong in a team, when working alone everything is under controlled, another volatile being add into the mix thing become super risky and uncontrollable, yeah emotional human being who can’t resist love. Btw people tend to expect a lot from a relationship, some say relationship can give you happiness, <— they expect happiness from your companionship, when expectation aren’t meet, thing would quickly get nasty, people today are very self entitled, they expect a lot from you, you better have a lot to give in a relationship, make sure to give them a lot of happiness too.
563  Economy / Economics / Re: Money Supply Growth Has Never Been As High As It Is Today on: October 16, 2020, 11:10:19 AM
If I ever understand as little as 1% of what they’re talking about, I think they’re telling people to keep spending money, keep borrowing more money, keep taking more loan, and that will fix the inflation miraculously.

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Economist and former Treasury official Nathan Sheets counters that if businesses aren’t inclined to spend, the larger money supply may do little to fan inflation.
564  Economy / Economics / Re: The only thing goes up is debts! It’s inevitable! on: October 16, 2020, 08:59:29 AM
Debt goes up
Misogynist skyrocket due to lock down, (prove me wrong otherwise)
Stock market goes up (according to trump it’s going up everything is good for himself only)
Fenimazi definitely on the upward trajectory
Incel also shooting up thru the roof???
What’s even good compare to 2008??? No lock down in 2008.

So you find a correlation between increasing debts and misogynists,incels and feminazis?Interesting...
This topic should be a subject of a really complex study conducted by sociologists,economists and psychic doctors.I can't find a correlation between the things you mentioned.
The only correlation is that increasing debt really pumps the stock prices(which is market distortion,rather than actual growth).This debt builds price bubbles,which will eventually burst some day.

Nope, we can only watching debt soaring high, when personal debt get to a certain threshold, we watch riot coming, yup debt turn people into violent, the first thing a family argue about something it has to be money, watch your dad and mum fighting everyday over money problem, eventually it’s your wife and you fighting over money problem, eventually it’s your government and you fighting over money problem, eventually it’s the United State and China fighting over money problem, debt is the root cause of everything else that soaring high.
565  Economy / Economics / Re: China is looking to get rid of the US dollar on: October 15, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
I think it’s getting rid of capitalism rather than holocaust, but to up each own, it’s said petro dollar some time ago but nobody has slightly clue all the insider info, commoner like us just getting indoctrinated all the time.
566  Economy / Economics / Re: "Humans will not be replaced by robots very soon" --- yeah right !!! on: October 15, 2020, 12:13:44 PM
Anybody with some basic computing knowledge that robot is count on just bunch of 0s and 1s, a binary, the most primitive logic probable in the universe, and this dumb creatures can slowly taking challenge on complex and intelligent homo sapien, it has to be quite fearful to be overtaken by some robot that can only count 0s and 1s. I think anybody can count from 0 to 10 without effort.
567  Economy / Economics / Re: Can a new $2 trillion bill bring back the US economy to pre pandemic levels. on: October 15, 2020, 08:09:50 AM
Please make it to pre 1900 economy or even more primitive Stone Age. Inb4 time traveller is real.
568  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin start Backing USA dollar on: October 15, 2020, 07:40:29 AM
How do you sign up for dollar crypto backed by bitcoin? Any bounty? Any shills? Any roadmap? What algorithm? Premine?
569  Economy / Economics / Re: Wipe out on crypto vs wipe out on stock market? on: October 15, 2020, 06:10:10 AM
What if a person get wipe out on crypto

Vs a person get wipe out on robin hood app?

Example: many get wipe out on ethereum flash crashes, and many get wipe out on Robin Hood trading the hottest stock of the century.

One can keep their crypto the other may get wipe out and force sell because of margin requirement.

I think crypto is superior because the latter person still can keep the crypto in their wallet, while the former person get wipe out and left with debt worth of a student loan.

Btw everybody only YOLO, because nobody can buy back his life and revive when they get wasted just like in GTA5, you die IRL that’s a permadeath, no revive, no buy back, no second life. Crypto or stock market? Choose wisely.
We should make a constructive criticism, not because we all want Decentralized system but for fair reasons , for every Merit, there is also Demrit. Flash crash in stock market is something we can see most of the time in cryptocurrency. When stock market plunge with 8%, they consider it as plunge because they don't often see volatility in stock. However, in cryptocurrency, I have seen a - 30% within a day in cryptocurrency and it always survived which has been a norm in here. It's all ceteris paribus.

The last crazy margin call that was symbolic was pandemic, I can't forget, that's why my size has never go beyond 10%vto avoid unnecessary margin calls that isn't healthy to your fund.

In my opinion the only thing in stock market is hateful, apart from that nothing else, not only it’s deceiving, with so many blue chips to pick from to bet your money, also the dump is imminent, in crypto, you have only one bitcoin to bet on, can’t you pick a wrong choice in blue chips, but you absolute can only pick one bitcoin, the win rate is either 100% or 0%, yup bitcoin dump to -99%, however in blue chip, whatever you pick the blue chip, the odds will goes against you, 100% whatever you bet on wil loss, and 100% whatever you don’t bet on will pump to the moon, because you’re all lousy gamblers on stock market, and bitcoin make it so easy you can only pick one, either 100% win or 0%.
570  Economy / Economics / Re: Where the top world Elite Rich guys invest on: October 14, 2020, 05:40:52 PM
The elite dynasties invest in creating corrupt politicians. This allows them to control countries, and steal their assets. They recruit young prospects through scholarships like the Rhodes scholarships, and The Schwarzman scholars.

They create it’s wrong to hate the stock market and they create it’s perfectly fine to hate crypto, if you don’t like stock market prepare to get flooded with myriad of shill emails and spammers chatters.
571  Economy / Economics / Re: Best Solution for taxes on: October 14, 2020, 05:26:43 PM
Yeah, pay up your taxes, be a decent human being and contribute to the society, we need more good personality.
572  Economy / Economics / Re: Wipe out on crypto vs wipe out on stock market? on: October 14, 2020, 04:18:09 PM
Bunch of my old friends called me and invite me to invest recently, I can’t believe it, I will reject them, I hate investment whenever I heard the words invest my heart begun to race and my mood then absolutely bad, it’s sick, gambling and crash market, gullible friends gonna loss a fortune, nope I won’t stop this idiot who want to invest and reject their invitation. It’s legalise gambling, scam and crash and burn.
573  Economy / Economics / Re: The only thing goes up is debts! It’s inevitable! on: October 14, 2020, 10:08:36 AM
Market always crash, 2008 is happening, the next crash will be debt market crash? Because debt growing too huge, yeah market can’t crash because it’s different this time(tm), everything is fine debt is fine go back to work, forget what is satoshi white paper and 2008, it’s baseless.
574  Economy / Economics / Re: Wipe out on crypto vs wipe out on stock market? on: October 14, 2020, 09:58:56 AM
I would say wipe out in stock market could be even worse because you can be in debt in stock market versus only can trade with your money in crypto. Obviously you could still get a loan or whatever and trade in crypto as well and lose almost everything (unless there is a scam, you won't lose it all) but the fact is, you still have to put the money in and deal with that money and nothing more.

In robinhood and other places like that, you could leverage your position so high and you could just have a big credit there and while having only $20k in your account you could end up with $200k debt suddenly because you overleveraged your position. This is why I believe crypto has one big deal, it is not really like the others because we are only dealing with the money we have.

Seriously people tend to forget everything from the past, the 2008 is not a distance memory, yet they tend to optimistic market won’t crash like 2008 again, I had no idea what can they to gain from the shills, yup 2008 is so terrible, the market crash destroy life, family and leading to mass suicide, everybody can shill when market boom, everybody turn silent when market bust, they’re unable to speak because they’ve already kys.
575  Economy / Economics / Re: Wipe out on crypto vs wipe out on stock market? on: October 12, 2020, 02:44:10 AM



You know there are companies that aren't in the US right?

I don't see Scandinavia and a few other countries taking much of a fall.

The US have managed to try to push up the price if their stocks by taking out company loans to do buybacks (it's been one of the worst markets to invest in for a while tbh if you want a dividend). If you take a developed European stock, you can expect to. Earn back your initial investment in dividends within 10-25 years afaik. With stocks in the US it'd take about 500...

If you've researched a company well, it shouldn't go bankrupt while you own the stock (especially if it's high cap) so you still own the stock anyway) - they'll often drop slowly if they decline (in Eurasia). You're talking about retailers yoloing on Robin Hood that is completely different because they're often using 250x leverage (and I think that's an underexaggeration).

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It’s too early to come to a conclusion, since crypto has only existed in a little over a decade, some called it is in a stage of infancy, while the stock market seem to be much established, and the wipe out can be related to South Sea Company Bubble where Newton Isaac get wipe out on that one, for crypto there is too little information to gather a solid conclusion, many cryptos gone into graveyard, the same goes for stock market many blue chip indexes components get removed and replaced with new mega conglomerate. That might be an attempt to cherry picking, but there has to be some appeal that make crypto stand out, (crypto getting hacked and stolen definitely a solid argument) also considering crypto deflationary nature vs stock market inflationary nature, it’s difficult to compare stock market to crypto, one observation we can agree upon is bitcoin has died 379 times, while I don’t think any blue chip can afford to die a single time, that would be too dramatic. Despite dying 379 times bitcoin continue to shine, is it the reason bitcoin is immutable, resistance to getting wipe out unlike stock market?

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If your position gets liquidated when there is a decline, it is the time that your gonna be wipe out in market. But don't worry everything may goes back to its entire price since market has up and down. Risk management is what we should have in order to avoid such loss in trading. If our funds will be gone, then let us think that we have to know our risk management specially in trading cryptocurrency.

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The thing is everybody on stock market would feel the pain when wipeout took place, we may not have liquidated yet we would have seen value get a big cut, yup market may recover, but that’s very optimistic, I’m beginning to learn that stock market do not usually recover, blue chip come and go, all the blue chips from the last decades consists of the index components is all gone and replace with a newer and better candidate, yup even blue chip had a difficulty to recover once it’s getting wipe out.

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It's irrelevant if you trade crypto or stocks, you get liquidated when you trade with margin and the market goes in opposite direction. Stocks are even more safe than crypto in some scenarios, for example if a company gets shut down, the holders of its stock are entitled to some compensation, while with crypto if a coin dies, holders are left with nothing. Plus the stock market is regulated so there's less manipulation.

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It’s difficult to tell whether they’re less manipulation, because the stock market isn’t opaque unlike crypto one can easily check on the transaction on the block chain, one has to be insider to get a clue of how is the stock market get manipulated, there is also a lot of stock derivatives which is unregulated, and less opaque. Yeah a dissolved company may compensate a portion of the asset back to stakeholders.

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Most traders don't use leverage and those who do usually use stop losses and take small leverages like 2-5. If you play on 50x or something like that you're not a trader but a gambler.

You could ask what if someone loses everything playing poker? Tough luck! You took a chance and lost it all, life goes on.

You have the same chance of loseing everything on the stock market as on the crypto market if you play with high leverage. There's no difference!

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It’s interesting one can get as much as 50x leverage, while it’s very discouraging to many people, strict stop loss is definitely crucial, and we have seen instances of multi cut loss orders get executed on crypto exchange that dump ethereum and wipe out gamblers, but that’s often executed on a fraction of milliseconds and many people do not aware of what’s happening, it’s too quickly we hardly know there is a wipe out going on, albeit on stock market, it take longer, sometime weeks to wipe out a lot of values, it’s also take very long time to even have recovery, in my opinion, the wipe out on crypto is much faster and painless process, it just happen and nobody have the time to think twice.

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i don't think you can even begin to compare the two because for example when you are trading altcoins you are not just subjected to the sudden drops of that coin, you are also subjected to all the manipulation and pump and dumps. on top of that you are also taking a bigger risk using centralized exchanges that can get hacked or just run away at any time. basically for any positive thing you can think of regarding altcoin market in comparison to stock market, there are 10 negative things.
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TBH crypto getting hacked and stolen is definitely one big flaw on bitcoin, it might be the one of method bitcoiner to get wipe out by simply a hack.

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I do believe we cannot wipe out either.

There are people who are good at stock markets and there are people who have their dibs on cryptocurrencies. At the same time if I would have to choose , I believe I would be on the side of cryptocurrencies for sure.

In this pandemic we have seen a massive dip in the stock market, the price is decreasing and at the same time people would have to wait for a year to make sure they don't loose much money.

But when it comes to cryptocurrencies like Bitcoins. They did tremendously well during the pandemic.

At the same time bitcoins have not shown a negative decline and therefore I do believe that, cryptocurrencies are a lot more important as compared to stock markets. Even in value, usage, etc...


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There is no doubt some traders move from trading stock market to trading crypto, yet the value traded is far smaller, it might mean many more traders are not aware and not interested in crypto trading. Yet nobody know why they decide to move to crypto, it might be just out of curiosity, so big fund are coming to bitcoin too, but why are them calling crypto “superior”? It’s difficult to come to a conclusion.

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576  Economy / Economics / Re: Wipe out on crypto vs wipe out on stock market? on: October 11, 2020, 01:56:16 PM
Since when was margin equivelant to buying a stock?
Since never, and I have a feeling OP might not know that you don't have to use any sort of leverage when buying stocks (or crypto).  And if you don't buy either one on margin, you're never going to get completely wiped out unless what you bought goes to $0.00, which is unlikely unless you're screwing around with penny stocks or 1-satoshi wonder shitcoins on Yobit.

That might be true when we look at the perspectives of one person, but when we are talking about a bunch of traders, one trader might be safe from liquidate but the other person do not follow the rules and get liquidated, it is where the magic happens, in crypto, some get their crypto out of exchange while some other get liquidated, in Robin Hood nobody is spared from getting liquidated, all of them get wipe out.
Now I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about.  Nothing you wrote in the above post makes any sense to me whatsoever. 

Broly46.  Where do I remember that username from?  Did I have you tagged as a shitposter at one point before the merit system came along?

The market is having an ATH for a very long time, I think a wipe out would follow suit shortly, btw everyday people get liquidated on stock market, and not something very unusual, it’s slowly become a norm we got to know some random guy get wipe out on Robin Hood while shitposting on Twitter, priori to 2008, it would make the headlines when somebody get wipe out, by now anybody get wipe out no headlines for them, just another day another trader get wipe out, lol, that’s a entitlement to be shitposter I guess?
577  Economy / Economics / Re: Wipe out on crypto vs wipe out on stock market? on: October 11, 2020, 01:42:29 PM
That YOLO line should be more on a reality, because you also grow old (YAGO) so if you didn’t prepare for it, you might live a miserable old life.

We make mistakes and we correct it after that, you might got wiped out on every market but there’s no reason to give up because every market will always go up and down, its just a matter of time. Know where you are heading, you can also enjoy while taking that journey. Cheesy

Yup grow old and die anyway, bitcoiner may die but bitcoin won’t die, if a shareholder die, his stock get removed too, yup deceased shareholder, rip bastard who trying to beat the market even death won’t be spared.
578  Economy / Economics / Re: Wipe out on crypto vs wipe out on stock market? on: October 11, 2020, 01:33:13 PM
If you're trading anything you shouldn't have to worry about being liquidated ever...

The only way you get liquidated is through not managing risk. Since when was margin equivelant to buying a stock?

If I buy a share in a company, I own the share (at least in the UK) this doesn't sound like an alien principle to me... And by that I mean: if I buy the physical share, I'm obviously the only one with that certificate 2 if I buy one online and the company goes bankrupt then the shares are still protected and mine providing no leverage was used.
That might be true when we look at the perspectives of one person, but when we are talking about a bunch of traders, one trader might be safe from liquidate but the other person do not follow the rules and get liquidated, it is where the magic happens, in crypto, some get their crypto out of exchange while some other get liquidated, in Robin Hood nobody is spared from getting liquidated, all of them get wipe out.
579  Economy / Economics / Wipe out on crypto vs wipe out on stock market? on: October 11, 2020, 01:16:05 PM
What if a person get wipe out on crypto

Vs a person get wipe out on robin hood app?

Example: many get wipe out on ethereum flash crashes, and many get wipe out on Robin Hood trading the hottest stock of the century.

One can keep their crypto the other may get wipe out and force sell because of margin requirement.

I think crypto is superior because the latter person still can keep the crypto in their wallet, while the former person get wipe out and left with debt worth of a student loan.

Btw everybody only YOLO, because nobody can buy back his life and revive when they get wasted just like in GTA5, you die IRL that’s a permadeath, no revive, no buy back, no second life. Crypto or stock market? Choose wisely.
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