What are you talking about. Im sorry , but are you blind?
Most of the users do NOT contrubute to this forum in any postive way, there are huge amount of shitposters and the same answers is because they are just rephrasing other people and they dont have nothing new to add or contribute.

And in most mega threads it is almost impossible to filter good posts from spam.

I was intrested what banks are you talking about, dissapointed when red the post
I do not classify these companies as banks, PayPal also is not a bank.

You have to understand that Neteller and Skrill are not realy competitors to PayPal at this point.have you noticed that PayPal did end their bussines with gambling sytes years ago?
This is because their primary focus is on buyer protection and they are takeing huge fees for that. They had to let go shady bussneses because of the high probablity of claims.

the same goes for cryptos, they would have probelms with claims and will lose money.

Skrill and Nettler on other hand does not give sh*t about customer protectiona nad doe snot have such policies thus they do not only gambling sites but also cryptos.

Exactly, even if they will re evaluate the proposals there is no way they are going to approve one because of the fundemetal problem you already pointed out.
A lot of people are getting desperate for new price hype , they still have past image of crypto explosions in their head.

As most of us here, I believe that this is true and we are still in early satages of blockchain evolution. I would like to add that there is no doubt that ICOs at this current form will not last long, there is too little that investors gain after buying tokens, just the potenital of profit and sometimes there is some very little use for them.

Note that it would not be fair to compare the internet's evolution time scale to blockchains . It is possible that blockchain is evolving in slower pace.

If we consider that ETH had a all time high of 1400$ then 260$ amounts to 8over 81% drop, this is huge. There was many that anticpated 78% drop but not more this is why ICO dump could be real explanation of this situation. Some of them could realy chickened out and gived in to panic.  At this point i dont see that ETH could go lower.

I had relatively high hopes for NEO when it was 30-50$ at the way up and i bought some. I am still a hodler and the logic beind that is that I think that Chinese wont stay away ( officialy) from blockchain because they would not want to miss the opportunities what it will bring and the economic growth with it. When they will start doing something in this area, we will see new and big growth of this asset.

A bit surprised by the amounts of shorts right now, I was thinking that shorts were shaken off by the last squeeze few day back. This couold be a good indicator of rally ahead.   If the rally occurs, i dont believe that it would be a big one . I think that it is too soon to market turn bullish.
In my mind the possibilty of going even lower is still real and the argument for that is percentage of the drop which was seen in DotCom bubble.

ok, you do make a solid point that chasing bad posts is much more work than working with managers.
But what about the bounty platforms which are running signature campaigns outside bitcointalk?

Still I think that the fastest way to decrease the spam is to enable merit reqirements for Jr.Members and disable signatures for those Jr. who has no merit.

1) Right now unfortunately this is not possible since the scraper is scrapeing data which only is shown in user profiles. Information about user posts would be very useful, it will eneable  us to see many interesting things.
2) I am in process of scraping 2mil+ users . This thread shows that it would be useful to show activty of lower ranks also to see the difference between lower rank activty and higher ranks and intend to do so.

It requires tremendous work from mods to force bounty manager to do or not to do something .
Also i dont think that scenario of bounty manager giving out merit to spammers is realistic, they dont want to get their reputation demaged.

I think that the solution would be to disable Jr. Member signature for everyone who has less than 1 merit, it would help tremendously.
And no, i dont think that merit abusers would easily bypass this rule because almost all of free merit was spent in the first months after merit system was introduced.

 Moving forward I think that I am going to show " deleted/skipped" accounts a bit differently but they are part of statistics and should be noted.



As I already mentioned before , i dont think that defining  active users as someone who has last logged in some time period is a correct estiamte. There are a huge amount of " Brand new" users relative to Jr. and above activty, who have logged in recently and possibly this is bot activty.

The ideal definiton would be user who has posted at least once in some time period. But current scraper version which is available does not have this kind of option,since it can scrape only information which is seen on profile page of any user.

complete opposite -temporary phenomenon was the huge amounts of money which were made in bounties 5 months back.
And the chances are that it wont come back.

Lets be real 80% of all bounty tasks are trivial and do not require much skill and 5 months back was ridiculously easy money.

 
I find it a bit odd when ready made product is asked of any project or bussines.
Usually it an prototype and solid busisnes plan among other things  , otherwise they wont need the money .

I suppose there can be some insances when ther is ready pproduct and project need ssome funds to kick it off.

to answer your question, offcourse it is, is nt it obvious?

I dont think that this data is proof of multiple account creation.
Also as it has been pointed out on several ocasions, it is reasonable to believe that good part of new users come here to discuss some details or ask some questions and dont have nor the ambition nor need to rank up. For example if they ask some questions regarding minig.


I used Pythons script , it is available on GitHub.
Even tough there is some collected data available online, there is no service and no data source publicly available to this extent.

Всем привет !

Я опубликовал этот анализ в мета разделе, но аудитория этого раздела ограничена, поэтому я решил запостить это еще и сюда. Если людям в этом разделе тоже будет интересно, то я буду делать больше постов здесь.
 
На момент написания этого поста на форуме зарегистрировано 2334998  пользователей, из которых я отобрал первые 2 миллиона с ID-1 до ID- 2 000 000. Двухмиллионный пользователь зарегистрировался 3 апреля 2018 года. Как многие из вас догадываются или знают, большая часть из пользователей имеют низкие ранги. Я рассматривал низкие ранги в моём предыдущем посте, в этом посте я хотел бы сделать больший упор на высших рангах, начиная с Jr. Member. Смысл этого поста в том, чтобы максимально просто показать распределение первых двух миллионов пользователей и уровень их активности.

Так как круговые диаграммы очень удобны и понятны, я использовал именно их. На них можно увидеть распределение пользователей bitcointalk с ID от 1 до 2'000'000 .
Кроме того, я изучил активность рангов Jr. Member и выше. Для того, чтобы определить активность пользователей, я пользовался  "Last Activity". Я отфильтровал даты активности по требуемым временным рамкам для пользователей с рангом Jr. Member и выше. Один график показывает распределение пользователей, которые были активны в прошлом месяце, а второй график - пользователей, которые хоть раз были активны за этот год включая прошлый месяц.


Среди выбранных рангов нашлось 61836 пользователей, которые были активны в прошлом месяце.


На этом графике мы видим, что доля пользователей, которые были активны хоть раз за этот год для большинства рангов колеблется от 70% до 80%. Доля таких пользователей среди рангов “Copper” и “Legendary” выше 80%, и это не удивительно, ведь
1) Таких пользователей относительно немного;
2) Легендарные пользователи – люди, которые больше всех интересуются криптовалютами;
3) Ранг “Copper member” был введен относительно недавно.

Если сложить всех пользователей, активных за последний год, начиная с Jr. Member и заканчивая Legendary и Copper, то мы получим 90993 пользователя. И это интересно, потому что может показаться, что на этом форуме гораздо больше активных пользователей, так как их зарегистрировано более двух миллионов.

Этот анализ был проведен на основе данных, которые были собраны в начале июля этого года. Думаю, что график “активные в прошлом месяце” не изменился бы, если бы мы взяли данные посвежее. Возможно, мы бы увидели чуть больше пользователей на графике «активные за этот год», но мне кажется, что в целом они и так неплохо отражают действительность.

Если кому-то интересно поиграться с этими данными, то вот они в более доступной форме:

P.S Если у вас есть какие-либо предложения насчет того, чтобы вы хотели бы видеть, я с радостью выслушаю все ваши идеи.

Ранг	Oк*    Апм**       %    A эг***    %
Jr.Members	60389        32035           53.05     47025         77.87
Members	27621        11772           42.62     18424         66.70
Full M.	18170        8959             49.31     12704         69.92
Sr.M.	8999          4441             49.35     6384          70.94
Hero	4140          2252             54.40     3139          75.82
Legendary	2144          1519             70.85     1892          88.25
Copper M.	1441          858               59.54     1425          98.89
Deleted	16000
Donator	109
Admin	2
Staff	26
VIP	37
Global moderator	3

*Общее кол-во   
**Активные в последний месяц         
 *** Активные за этот год

For some reason my view was limited only to merits.
I lean towards " trust " more than merit in this situation. Even more if the situation where there are users who are abusing system by trading merit for acceptance in bounty campaigns is true.

I too have noticed that some Bounty managers recive impressive amount of merits for their threads.

As some members here already pointed out, this is a 50/50 situation.
Some do not deserve the merits, i feel that some bounty threads get merited when bounty hunters get a juicy payout even if the campaign was not adminstred in high level.

But there are cases when Threads are merited because Bounty manager is doing a good job compared to other bounty managers who sometimes are doing so bad job that I wish i could demerit them
But whatever the case it would be very hard to implement any rules on this without human evaluation on every situation.

Same way, last logged in ( Last activity) within some time period. Technically there are ~450k users who have logged in last 90 or so days.
But I think that there is reason to believe that good amount of these logins could be work of bots.

For example, if we use these parameters:
1) Rank: Brand New
2) Last activity within 30 days
3) Registered before year 2017
 
There are ~60k users which meet this criteria. Moreover when I scrolled fast forward, there was significant amount who were registered in 2014.
Do we believe that users who have registered more than a year or several years ago, have not made any posts and just log in every year or so ?

You are right. Thanks for pointing that out.


Yes, i am aware of Vods great work.
But there is some important differences between this information and Vod's website. Vod's webiste shows that there are ~450k active users. If you compare it to number of last active users this year starting from Jr.Member, it is a difference of ~360k users. These are Newbies and Brand News and I dont think that most of these users are contrubuting to forum and I have good reason to doubt nature of their activty, thus i did not include them.

I chose to interpret missing number of accounts as  "deleted" and  the number of  " deleted" accounts are similar to Vods .  I agree that these accounts could include skipped UIDs.

I want to clarify some things. I analysed users from ID=1 to ID=2'000'000 the 2 million + users are not included . I have to note that there is a significant " Newbie" and " brand new" activity ( judging from "Last activty" ) .Since most of " Brand New" users have no posts, I doubt that the activty from these accounts have human nature but more likely they are bots and I decided to not include them this time.


First things, first. Huge portion of 2mil users are " Brand New" , ~1,4 million and they are not contrubuting to this forum, when this is taken in account, it is more easy to understand why the activty is so low in respect to user id count.  I would recommend to look at this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4759325.msg42983972#msg42983972


I recently restarted the scraper. I am planning to scrape all users this time. i will defintely show the  2 million + users atats also in near future.


And Thanks , I appreciate your feedback.