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Economy / Speculation / Re: How many bitcoins do you hold?
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on: April 18, 2012, 02:17:01 PM
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Reminds me of president Eisenhower, who flew into a rage when his advisors told him that roughly half of the US population was of below average intelligence :-) Guess which half he was on?
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Hallelujah!
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on: March 13, 2012, 05:37:09 PM
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How long till Edward50 comes back and starts harping about a manipulator... in 3, 2, 1...
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Not a currency, not a commodity, but an accounting system
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on: March 09, 2012, 05:37:26 PM
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When Bitcoin started it was basically just an experiment. I don't really see any "novelty" use of Bitcoin. Really? You don't think it's a novelty when a guy buys a pizza with 10.000 BTC instead with a $10 bill? EDIT: BTW "an experiment" is also 'a use' other than as a currency.. so you kind of already made my point. You can also make a joint from a dollar bill. That is also a use other than as a currency. Does that make dollars a commodity? If you don't think dollars are a commodity, you've never lived in a third world country... trust me, they are.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Not a currency, not a commodity, but an accounting system
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on: March 09, 2012, 04:58:13 PM
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Bitcoin is *effectively* a currency because that is what it does and how people use it. Although, it does have some special properties that make it a very novel and unusual type of currency. Just because some people use it for barter doesn't mean it's a currency. Would you say sheep are currency just because people in Afghanistan use them for trade? At most it's a local currency because it lacks the typical "generally accepted" part of it's definition. A commodity always has a use by itself. If gold were not used as medium of exchange or storage of value it would still be useful because you can make useful things with it, such as electronics and jewelry.
Bitcoin does not have that property. What about the use of Bitcoin as a novelty? When Bitcoin got started it had no other use but as novelty much like gold jewelry. If I were the only person in the world to have Bitcoins it would be useless, just as with any other currency.
Completely irrelevant. If you were the only person in the world to have potash it would also be useless. You could turn it into something and sell it, at which point you'd cease to be the only person in the world who has it... same as with Bitcoin. Edit: Ack, I should know better than to jump into a thread that Evorhees is already playing in... he's got it covered, as usual.
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Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How will transactions be validated when blocks are no longer produced?
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on: March 07, 2012, 06:13:07 PM
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If miners confirm transactions, what will happen when there are none of them?
Konichua, blocks will always be produced and added to the block chain. What will slowly reduce to almost zero (though not quite reaching it) is the reward of coins per block solved. The idea is that by the time that reward drops to something tiny, like one BTC or so, the value of BTC will be such that even the small transaction fees will be incentive enough for the miners to keep on solving blocks. They're not really "mining", you know One correction the subsidy will go to zero. Bitcoin has no concept of infinite fractions it rounds the subsidy down to the nearest satoshi. 1E-8 BTC. Eventually the subsidy will be less than 0.00000001 when rounded down at which point the subsidy will be exactly 0 for all future blocks. True, but I was hoping that by then we'll be forced to go down to 1E-12 or so just because a satoshi will be worth too much
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Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How will transactions be validated when blocks are no longer produced?
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on: March 07, 2012, 06:09:41 PM
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If miners confirm transactions, what will happen when there are none of them?
Konichua, blocks will always be produced and added to the block chain. What will slowly reduce to almost zero (though not quite reaching it) is the reward of coins per block solved. The idea is that by the time that reward drops to something tiny, like one BTC or so, the value of BTC will be such that even the small transaction fees will be incentive enough for the miners to keep on solving blocks. They're not really "mining", you know
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did Ben Bernanke just ok'd the use of Bitcoin?
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on: March 01, 2012, 05:29:51 PM
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Did Ben Bernanke just ok'd the use of Bitcoin? Not quite. Watch the video again. He chose his words very carefully. Its also perfectly fine to hold other currencies, euros, yen or whatever else Youre allowed to "hold" alternative currencies, but he didnt say you can issue, circulate, transmit, transact or trade in alternative currencies. Bernard Von Nothaus found out the hard way, when he issued Liberty Dollars, that the government has a very strong dislike of alternative currencies. He was charged with terrorism offences. No, the issue with Liberty Dollars was that they were called dollars and looked a bit like US dollars. There's absolutely nothing illegal in the US (and clearly not in other jurisdictions) with using any alternate currencies at all. Legal tender means that, where there is a debt and one party wants to settle it in US dollars, the other party cannot refuse and claim the debt is unsettled... that's all. This entire argument about the legality of Bitcoin is nothing but a wild goose chase.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: I think it is safe bet to BUY bitcoins now. My speculation.
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on: February 24, 2012, 02:35:16 PM
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I know I shouldn't be talking about this, but the world has got to know! I heard Longistan has infiltrated the Vatican. They have a huge top secret mining farm there!
The US is sending reconnaissance drones, but they can't see anything because it's all in their top secret underground bunker. Oh, oh and they are even trying to change the climate with a top secret super weapon so that the world freezes to cool their GPUs.
Overall they try to enslave the mankind by hypnotizing them with GPU fans that turn them into mindless zombies working in their Bitcoin mines.
Are you saying the Manipulator is the Pope??? Wait till Edward gets a hold of that!
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Another respected cryptographer predicts collapse in bitcoin mining
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on: February 23, 2012, 03:11:44 PM
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However, deriving a result from a set of assumptions should not be confused with science.
That's how mathematics itself is done... you don't consider Mathematics to be a science? Science in the classical definition meant "field of knowledge" - in that sense it is. But in the modern, more strict definition of science it doesn't qualify ("natural science" - as described by Sir Francis Bacon, XVII century). It's still the philosophical base for most if not all relevant science. I brought this semantic distinction in the first place because non-sciences like economics don't prove anything at all in the real world and only give degrees of certainty in repeatable scenarios. In this case they are basically applied statistics. The author(s) here are making highly speculative assertions about unprecedented situations without providing much base for them and taking a lot of dubious preconditions for granted. This level of discourse is very common in economics and sociology, even at academic levels. Just look at keynesianism. That is a bit of a stretch. Keynesian makes up a large minority viewpoint in academic macroeconomics. It is not dominant. It is only among government policymakers that Keynesian is the dominant viewpoint. [Don't get me started on Austrian economics because that is complete wackjob rubbish that asshats believe in. I'm not responding to asshats here. It is not an enjoyable use of my time.] It is not that Keynesian is necessarily wrong. In fact, I think it is correct, but exceptionally difficult to prove or disprove. From the empirical side, it is impossible to perform random experiments with national economies. From the axiomatic side, it is very difficult to derive a Keynesianism model based on seemingly sensible assumptions. The typical assumptions are that people are rational, have rational expectations about the future, and that prices adjust freely. However, this is not surprising. The idea that people behave irrationally is at the core of Keynes' thought... "animal spirits" and such. If you allow people to deviate from rationality, then the axiomatic approach becomes pretty useless. People can deviate from rationality in many ways. Oftentimes there are multiple types of deviations which could generate similar macroeconomic data. That is multiple potential axioms could be broadly consistent with the same data. In this case, who is to say what the right way to set up axioms is? It becomes faith-based. This is like math, where people can disagree about whether parallel lines ever meet. By the way, Francis Bacon and the scientific method is what I have in mind when I think of science. The economics that I do is more in the way of applied statistics as the person above mentioned. It is not very scientific though it strives to be. The point is to tell a convincing story, where your audience believes you have thoroughly analyzed a situation and considered many possible explanations for it. There is no sense of certainty like you get in the natural sciences in which I did research prior to becoming an economist. Actually, it would be simple to turn economics into a science. All you have to do is add, at the end of any theorem, the words that Richard Feynman said should be etched in gold on the doors of every lab: "If it disagrees with experience, it is wrong".
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Conversation with YouNow.com at TechAviv- Using Bitcoin
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on: February 22, 2012, 05:48:10 PM
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There are several sites (like cam4.com) that encourage their members to do things on webcam in exchange for tokens, which visitors to the site have to purchase in blocks from the site itself. The members then receive a cheque from the site every so often, for the amount of tokens they obtained minus a commission for the site.
It seems to me it's only a matter of time until someone comes up with the same idea using Bitcoin.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoinica now supports Alipay deposit!
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on: February 22, 2012, 05:23:06 PM
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This will be huge! Will you also be supporting Alipay withdrawals? I am going to tell all my vendors in China about this!
We will consider Alipay withdrawal option soon. Currently there's an API for mass payments, but it requires a service contract with Alipay. When the CNY deposit volume is higher, we will have better chances of getting the service contract signed. I suspect more of my vendors will be willing to accept payment in Bitcoins once they know that they can instantly cash out via Alipay. Keep up the great work! I just started a feedzebirds campaign. Please help spread the word! http://www.feedzebirds.com/v51zOr... you can tell your vendors all about Bit-pay as well. That gives them the option to cash out in BTC, CNY through Alipay or USD or other currency to a bank account of their choice. I agree with all of the above, though, this has the potential to be huge.
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