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1561  Economy / Speculation / Re: North Korean Bitcoin analysis with Kim Jong-il - Part 1: The August 23rd crash on: August 23, 2011, 01:10:48 PM
Did you even think about my post?
Let my spell it out for you: If you've got just one 5870 you above average.

This board is only the tip of the iceberg.

Oh, man... It seems you really can't process what you read. Let me bring it to you in easy to digest bits, ok:

1) Bitcoin needs to gain wider acceptance for it to succeed. Even among the technically inclined, right now, the camp is almost equally divided between supporters and detractors. This holds also for the economists and the traders (though probably more detractors among traders than economists or techs).

2) The only reason your or my grandmother would ever consider getting a single bitcoin is if she has an incentive to do so. The world is full of grandmothers, grandfathers, farmers, doctors, shoemakers, students... the list goes on. They outnumber the techs, economists and traders at least a million to one. What they consider an incentive is important.

3) Bitcoin is currently inflationary. 7200 new coins every day. That places a lot of downward pressure on the market.

4) Bitcoin is naturally deflationary in the long term (please note how 3 and 4 are actually separate statements and not contradictory, thanks). It furthermore bills itself as being deflationary.

5) What constitutes an incentive? A steady rise in price, for one. Other things, like a decentralised nature, the ability to make payments around the world and being resistant to counterfeit are large incentives as well, but not so much for that million other people out there for each tech, economist or trader.

6) Stability = absence of rise in price = non-adoption for the masses.

1562  Economy / Speculation / Re: North Korean Bitcoin analysis with Kim Jong-il - Part 1: The August 23rd crash on: August 23, 2011, 12:55:59 PM
This means that as long as bitcoin remains stable, there will be very little incentive for anyone to even think of buying a bitcoin, let alone using it. In the meantime, 7200 new bitcoins will appear each and every day for the next few months, and that will cause a slow and steady drop, making it even less likely that anyone outside the little group will look on bitcoins as a good idea or investment.
Nobody is talking about a drop, that will be bad. You are making it sound if stability is impossible.
Yes there will be swings up & down of course.

How little do you think this group is? Any idea what the average hashrate might be? A hint: It's actually pretty low.

Much has been said about the advantages of a stable bitcoin... it really is all nonsense.
thanks  Roll Eyes

With a naturally deflationary currency, you'd expect, and want, for it to go up in price over time. This is in the nature of bitcoin. Stability is not. Right now, the stable state of affairs is unnatural... Mass adoption of bitcoin will come from its upwards swings, not from its stable periods.
Do you realize that the individuals mining bitcoins today get a minuscule amount of them? So they are all potential first hand consumers.

Bitcoin isn't deflationary right now it's highly inflationary. You are contradicting yourself btw..

Yes I know... greed is eternal.


Heh, hashrate? You're sort of making my point.

Bitcoin will sink or swim on the basis of its adoption by people who have no idea what a hashrate is. These people will be attracted to bitcoin if it can provide something they don't already get... like a steady increase in value. Get it?

If the only people involved with bitcoin can all give you a definition for hashrate, it's a hobby, not a currency or commodity.
1563  Economy / Speculation / Re: North Korean Bitcoin analysis with Kim Jong-il - Part 1: The August 23rd crash on: August 23, 2011, 12:33:21 PM
Stability absolutely is the epitome of suckiness @ $11. It means nobody is buying or selling bitcoins.

There are 7 billion people out there,
there is $83 trillion USD in existence not including the 219 other countries' currencies, 


and there are only 7 million bitcoin.


Stability at $11 is the LAST THING we need.



Agreed. Stability, when it comes to bitcoin, pretty much equals stagnation. It's great that there's a handful of very smart guys working on new software, start-ups and ideas. But for bitcoin to succeed it will need to be "engaged with" by a significant portion of "other humans".

This means that as long as bitcoin remains stable, there will be very little incentive for anyone to even think of buying a bitcoin, let alone using it. In the meantime, 7200 new bitcoins will appear each and every day for the next few months, and that will cause a slow and steady drop, making it even less likely that anyone outside the little group will look on bitcoins as a good idea or investment.

Much has been said about the advantages of a stable bitcoin... it really is all nonsense. With a naturally deflationary currency, you'd expect, and want, for it to go up in price over time. This is in the nature of bitcoin. Stability is not. Right now, the stable state of affairs is unnatural... Mass adoption of bitcoin will come from its upwards swings, not from its stable periods.
1564  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open letter to Bruce Wagner on: August 22, 2011, 11:55:11 PM
I see no problem that forum whiners are on the bottom of Bruce's priority list. His concern is for the participants of the conference and it seems they're happy.

Wrong, actually. The priority for the conference should have been the success of bitcoin. That would have been greatly aided by much more communication and coverage than there was. I'm sure the conference was a success from the participants' point of view, but from the point of view of the larger success of bitcoin as a whole, too many opportunities were missed.
1565  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Pricing commodities in bitcoin - blah on: August 22, 2011, 07:50:07 PM
I think it is good for gambling (games) and speculating,
it's purpose for buying goods is too small,
it will become buying friendly when workers start getting paychecks in btc,
until that happens it is not complete economy

edit:
I just negotiated a btc related project to be paid with paypal,
with a guy that is "one of us"
I do own some btc, but they are harder to get than to spend,
that is why I rather store them for later...

So, even I, who sees where the problem is Smiley
am not doing anything about it...

we r doomed Smiley

I don't understand this...why would you not just by bitcoins on an exchange and use them to pay the person?  This is quite simple and even if you want to accumulate bitcoins you simply buy more bitcoins on the exchange and use some of them to pay the person and keep the rest.  I generally buy a few bitcoins every week so that I have some to pay people with but don't allow my balance to fall.

Yup... pretty early on I decided on what amount of BTC I'd like to save for the future. Once I got to that point, if I ever need to, I just buy some BTC on the exchanges and use them.

Not that I fully buy into the concept that until we start using Bitcoin to pay for milk the currency is doomed, mind you. There are plenty of examples of currencies and commodities which aren't used to transact in day to day life, and do quite well, thank you. There are entire areas of the world where the currency used for day to day transactions is PRECISELY the one that's in trouble, and people prefer to use other currencies as a store of value, or to purchase larger things like cars and homes.

But still, if you're going to pay someone who takes BTC, then just buy whatever BTC you need to pay them and transfer it... at least you'll get the exchanges moving.
1566  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How to sell your coins and how NOT on: August 22, 2011, 05:20:13 PM
This might spund silly to some, but I'm going to say it anyway:
People, FFS, if you have a large stash of wannabecoins and you want to dump them, could you at least do it the wright way ?

I'm not an active trader, only a miner at this point. However, if you're going to criticize people based on their trading habits, I suggest you learn to spell the right way.  Wink
can you spell "right" on my native language ? guess not...

Certainly not without knowing what your native language is... but that's more about guessing than about spelling.
1567  Economy / Speculation / Re: $/BTC Time Series Analysis on: August 22, 2011, 04:00:29 PM
Yup, it definitely biases towards the low... which is why it's stupid to suggest this is an attempt at shoring up the market. If anything, it's a downward magnet.
1568  Economy / Speculation / Re: Post here when you have no idea which way the market is going to go on: August 22, 2011, 03:59:14 PM
No market movement for  nearly an hour, maybe all traders suddenly found meaning of life and are now cherishing this uncommon tranquility. Grin

Nope, if they had found the meaning of life, the price of BTC would be 42  Grin
1569  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin value about to drop to...nothing.. on: August 22, 2011, 12:28:59 PM
old miner has sold all his coins and wants back in the market at fire sale prices

Nah, last time he spoke he said he was holding... he's just off the meds  Grin
1570  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin value about to drop to...nothing.. on: August 22, 2011, 12:14:55 PM
Oldminer... have you gone off the meds again? Not to worry, he'll be back to his old self soon.  Grin
1571  Economy / Speculation / Re: RALLY! on: August 21, 2011, 04:26:18 PM
Yeah, memo to Bruce, as much as we all love bitcoin, a cruise is not a game changer. If that was the big announcement, it was definitely overhyped.
1572  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Conference 2011 NYC on: August 20, 2011, 11:20:42 PM
There were supposed to be TWO big announcements... Where are they?Huh


Here's one: http://tradehillblog.com/

This is pretty damn big, imo.
They announced this already before Bitcoin (check out the post date).


Yes, that's old news.
1573  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Conference 2011 NYC on: August 20, 2011, 11:11:44 PM
There were supposed to be TWO big announcements... Where are they?Huh
1574  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Conference 2011 NYC on: August 20, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
is anyone blogging live then?
1575  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Conference 2011 NYC on: August 20, 2011, 12:59:34 PM
I thought onlyonetv was going to carry bruce's opening speech live... can't seem to get it anywhere
1576  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Conference 2011 NYC on: August 19, 2011, 06:42:09 PM
It's nice to see live Bruce's chat with people you know by reputation. Great stuff.


Agreed, strangely compelling, actually.
1577  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: eBay Deleting All Bitcoin Listings on: August 19, 2011, 05:59:22 PM
Yeah I was looking at the bitbills but I hadn't head of the bitcoin where's that at?


Here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=38048.0
1578  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Augustus, we have a problem! on: August 19, 2011, 04:37:15 PM
Forto En Numeros... that's it in Esperanto, I think.
1579  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Conference 2011 NYC on: August 19, 2011, 03:26:36 PM
it's in my signature but here you go lol

http://bitnavigator.info

Sorry, my brainfart!
1580  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Augustus, we have a problem! on: August 19, 2011, 03:26:13 PM
And we should also change the name of this thread to:

Augustus, aenigma habemus
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