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1521  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How does block size harm decentralization? on: February 09, 2019, 05:35:28 PM
What's the largest contributing factor to increased propagation delay? Is it transaction verification, a bandwidth issue, maybe something else? Verifying more transactions would slow down block creation, but I don't think it would by too much. As for bandwidth, miners don't send out blocks to every node, they send them to their peers who then propagate them further, so I'm not quite sure I understand how bandwidth is a problem since there are plenty of nodes transmitting and receiving data.

Bigger blocks take longer to propagate to the network and they also take longer to verify. The latter is especially problematic at larger block sizes because for certain transactions, signature hashing quadratically scales. If it takes several minutes to verify a block, that's a real problem. If invalid, it'll be orphaned. If miners are doing validationless mining to sidestep the issue, this can result in orphaned chains. This means less secure transactions for users, and more expensive mining for miners. This encourages smaller miners to shut down and larger miners to scale up to account for these inefficiencies.

Segwit partially solved the quadratic sig hashing issue, but transaction data in the base block is still a problem.

Without inflation, the system needs fee revenue to continue incentivizing miners. The block size limit is the only means we have to enforce scarcity of block space, which guarantees fee revenue. Otherwise, Bitcoin's Byzantine fault tolerance may be threatened as block rewards decline in value. You can't have a network worth many billions or trillions of USD where miners have no incentive to secure the network.
Agreed, but why would users want to pay massive fees to cover the miners expenses, especially if they can use other networks for far cheaper (I know I know "they get a secure decentralized network" but still, does this limit the types of transactions that will be capable on the bitcoin network? Is this where LN comes in?). Is it fair to assume that up til now (and maybe for a few more years) miners have been taking the hit in terms of fees with the belief that their accumulated BTC will be worth more in the future than their current mining operation has cost them (i.e a net positive in the future)?

That's a fair assumption. Miners are paying far more per transaction than users are. Rationally, this is because they are investors who are speculating on the future value of bitcoins. It's bad to assume that miner speculation on fiat value will sustain the system forever, especially if the block rewards get smaller and smaller due to lack of fee revenue. At some point in the future, Bitcoin's value should become less speculative (as it becomes an established asset class) and mining incentives should accordingly be more in line with actual usage. Mining can't remain entirely dependent on speculation. That was never Bitcoin's design and it's just not sustainable.

If Bitcoin is a settlement layer, it will probably limit on-chain transactions to those who need to transfer higher value, or those who have a specific need for Bitcoin confirmation -- like a Lightning commitment transaction.

If people aren't willing to pay high fees, then mining revenue will drop and mining security will therefore drop. This may be fine, and we will hopefully see an equilibrium form where mining security reflects what users are actually willing to pay.
1522  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Cryptopia has been in "maintenance" for the last 14 hours! on: February 08, 2019, 09:09:19 AM
Reopening already?!?

Cryptopia might reopen in February, NZ Police says

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/01/30/422537/cryptopia-might-reopen-in-february-nz-police-says

Who's going to use them even if they reopen?  Roll Eyes

You know, I thought the same thing about Bitfinex when they lost 120,000 BTC in that 2016 hack. A year later, they were one of the biggest exchanges in the world.

Probably not a great example since Cryptopia was a much crappier exchange, but you get my point. Cryptocurrency traders are gluttons for punishment. They always come back for more. Cheesy
1523  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: CardCash on: February 08, 2019, 08:42:48 AM
2% discount on Bitcoin transactions -- not bad. I might try them out. However, I'm not a huge fan of physical cards because you need to provide them a mailing address and take delivery, and that's most of their inventory.

Seems like I got an issue with cloudflare, I'm always getting this error in every visit:
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There was an issue communicating with the captcha provider. More information may be available below.
Guess I need to use my mobile to visit later.

No issues accessing the site here. But for anyone thinking about using them from outside the US, I found this in their terms:

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PLEASE NOTE: YOU MUST BE 18 YEARS OLD OR OLDER AND A U.S. RESIDENT IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE ON OUR SITE.
1524  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Coinpulse shutting down as well on: February 08, 2019, 08:32:16 AM
Allowing just 7 days notice for all users to withdraw their funds is ridiculous.

Not only that, but there's no announcement on Coinpulse.io itself and trading is still active. It seems like a really obvious attempt to disappear with customer deposits. Any responsible shutdown would allow for customers to withdraw for months after trading ended.
1525  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How does block size harm decentralization? on: February 08, 2019, 06:56:42 AM
There's still a larger problem here that most people don't discuss. Even if hardware advancement allows us to significantly increase block sizes over time, that doesn't address whether doing so is compatible with Bitcoin's hard cap on supply.

Without inflation, the system needs fee revenue to continue incentivizing miners. The block size limit is the only means we have to enforce scarcity of block space, which guarantees fee revenue. Otherwise, Bitcoin's Byzantine fault tolerance may be threatened as block rewards decline in value. You can't have a network worth many billions or trillions of USD where miners have no incentive to secure the network.

in my opinion higher fees will kill bitcoin so if block size scarcity is enforced in the future*, remember that bitcoin was meant to be a decentralized currency not something people only trade or store value in so they don't care if they pay a high fee to transfer it. it may also nullify what you are saying since people would stop using bitcoin and consequently the price would drop and there wouldn't be any more profit for them miners anymore.

bigger capacity also means more transactions, and that means more transaction fees in total.

* note that i am saying in the future, as of today and in the close future we don't need block size increase or even fees to replace the block reward since it is quite high still and will remain high for many years.

Right now, the cost per confirmed transaction (based on actual mining expenditure) is much higher than the fees users are paying. Miners are subsidizing that cost because their revenues are temporarily being subsidized by inflation. However next year, inflation will drop to 12.5% of the original reward and it quickly drops off after that. When should we expect fees to begin making up the difference? The design can't remain completely dependent on fiat speculation forever. At some point, users need to pay the actual cost of transactions if they expect miners to continue securing the chain. The sooner users get used to higher fees, the smoother the transition to a deflationary Bitcoin will be.

If we keep increasing block size, "more transactions" doesn't imply a requisite increase in fees. That all depends on how limited block space is. If we increase block size beyond demand because technology advancement allows it (Like Bitcoin Cash), fees will drop towards zero. We need full blocks and a constant transaction backlog, otherwise there is no fee pressure.

Now, what evidence do you have that "higher fees will kill Bitcoin?"
1526  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How does block size harm decentralization? on: February 08, 2019, 04:42:55 AM
block size does not harm decentralization, how block size is increased can do that. for example if you increase it suddenly to a much bigger number now it will end up centralizing bitcoin but if it is increased slowly with the advancement of hardware and internet speed then it can't do much harm.

There's still a larger problem here that most people don't discuss. Even if hardware advancement allows us to significantly increase block sizes over time, that doesn't address whether doing so is compatible with Bitcoin's hard cap on supply.

Without inflation, the system needs fee revenue to continue incentivizing miners. The block size limit is the only means we have to enforce scarcity of block space, which guarantees fee revenue. Otherwise, Bitcoin's Byzantine fault tolerance may be threatened as block rewards decline in value. You can't have a network worth many billions or trillions of USD where miners have no incentive to secure the network.
1527  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How does block size harm decentralization? on: February 08, 2019, 04:30:55 AM
Wouldn't that happen eventually anyway? Sure it'll take longer but unless the chain is pruned how will people be able to store it?

The chain can be pruned. Whether full nodes are storing the entire blockchain isn't the major issue. Storage space is a bottleneck and can stop people from running full nodes, but bandwidth and latency are more pressing issues.

The only people running full nodes now are enthusiasts who like verifying everything themselves (though it's getting harder since the blockchain is already pretty big), pool operators, and mining farms or services like NiceHash/Blockchain.com

Exchanges and basically any service who credits accounts based on the blockchain need to run full nodes.

I'd say that the more people that run full nodes, the better. Without full nodes enforcing the consensus rules, miners and economically important nodes can collude to change the protocol. If the chain will be hard forked, SPV nodes have zero say about it. Only full nodes are relevant in hard fork attempts.

This is not a post in support of a change in block size or for sidechains, I'm not qualified to take a side in that debate at all lol. What are the consequences of a block size increase and more specifically how it would be harmful for bitcoin's decentralization?

Larger blocks cause propagation delays. This increases orphaning rates, which disproportionately hurts smaller miners and will eventually force them off the network via unprofitability. Miners can sidestep these problems by centralizing -- pooling hashpower, colocation. Less mining entities, each with larger market share = bigger threat of transaction censorship, government targeting of miners, 51%/selfish mining attacks, political hard fork attacks, etc.

Larger blocks also cause increased bandwidth requirements. Data upload limitations are the primary bottleneck here. People who don't have access to unlimited internet data will become increasingly likely to shut down their nodes as it begins to interfere with streaming, gaming, file sharing, etc. The less full nodes there are, the easier the consensus is to attack.
1528  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: How bitcoin inheritance can be achieved. on: February 08, 2019, 01:36:07 AM
Of course, using a dead man's switch creates incentive for your inheritor to kill you, but so does executing a will. Wink

Well that went a bit dramatic. I don't think many family members would be up for killing me... I think thats a bit overdramatic for a family member to kill you for your bitcoin...

I should hope so. Cheesy

Just a joke, or maybe half-joking. After all, people have been known to do some unthinkable things when large sums of money are involved. That's why I never talk about my Bitcoin holdings to anyone except my wife. She's the only person who knows the details and can access the keys, and it took almost a decade together before reaching that level of trust...
1529  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Progressing adoption on: February 07, 2019, 10:19:41 PM
Lately, I have not been hearing much about Bitcoin, other than media mentioning that the value is decreasing. In addition, the transaction volume processed by payment gateways is also decreasing. I feel that adoption has come close to a standstill. What is your opinion about this?

That was true during the last longer-term bear market as well. It wasn't until 2017 that Bitcoin started regularly making headlines again. Before that, the media hype was pretty dead.

I remember seeing some chart from Bitpay that showed that consumer spending spiked a lot when price rose in 2017. Consumer spending might follow a similar pattern -- transaction volume might rise during bull markets and fall during bear markets.
1530  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: How bitcoin inheritance can be achieved. on: February 07, 2019, 10:06:08 PM
Make a multi-sig (2-3), one key for you, one key for your wife/husband, and one key for your child. If you died, your spouse and your child can move or use the funds. Not the best idea but it should work if you have a family and you can trust them.

I will take every satoshi I own down with me in case something happens to me out of nothing. I just can't think of a way that I will ever be satisfied enough to arrange something like that. I'm just too paranoid. I have been through enough to understand that there isn't a way to trust anyone that's close to you.

Using timelocked transactions doesn't require trust. That's why it's a superior model vs. any sort of multi-sig arrangement. The only problem -- besides needing to periodically re-spend the outputs backing the timelocked transaction -- is ensuring your inheritor is competent enough to secure their wallet and take possession of the coins when the time comes. But I suppose that's a problem with any Bitcoin inheritance scenario. It's about as good as it gets.

Of course, using a dead man's switch creates incentive for your inheritor to kill you, but so does executing a will. Wink
1531  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A conspiracy against Bitcoin? on: February 07, 2019, 09:54:53 PM
The point of the topic is "what do Mike Hearn, Gavin Andresen, and Craig Wright have in common, and why?".

Bigger blocks. But why? I know Mike Hearn, and Gavin Andresen understand the ramifications of it on the network, but why were they pushing for it? What was their agenda?

They may have been okay with the idea of mostly SPV users and vastly fewer full nodes. I think many big blockers believe that non-mining nodes aren't relevant to the consensus. I also think a lot of people legitimately don't understand Bitcoin's economic design and think infinite near-zero fees are actually viable.

It's possible they had a deliberate agenda to centralize the network, but I don't think we'll ever find out either way. If they did, at least we know they failed.
1532  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: US Government becoming friendlier to bitcoin on: February 07, 2019, 09:43:57 PM
But it would push those exchanges to want to be operated and ran in the US, it's a great opportunity for the US to have silicon valley 2.0

That's the way the sponsoring legislators are framing the discussion. They see this bill as a way to encourage US economic growth instead of letting crypto-friendly countries like Singapore, Malta and others dominate a burgeoning industry. I'm still not sure how likely it is to pass, though.
1533  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-02-06] Wired - No Good Reason to Trust Blockchain Technology on: February 07, 2019, 12:05:47 AM
The New York Times guy? I never expected much from him. Digital Gold was on my list of books to read some years ago just because it seemed big at the time, but I never got around to it. Sounds like his opinions aren't worth my time...
1534  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-02-02]Amazon Might Have to Issue a Cryptocurrency Soon on: February 06, 2019, 10:18:33 PM
It's not that simple. They'd need to worry about converting those coins into fiat. A processor like Bitpay charges 1%, so it's looking less lucrative already.
I'd be surprised if a company the size of Amazon didn't just set up their own process or mechanism to convert as much as they wanted to to fiat rather than relying on a 3rd party.

At a certain point, that's true, but only if they expect immense new revenue. They'd need to develop a robust wallet and custody solution. That takes a lot of staff time and development money, ongoing maintenance costs, and also introduces custody risks. Saving 1% in processing costs has to be measured against what they'll lose in a potential compromise, and that's on top of development and maintenance costs.

There's plenty of incentive for a company like Coinbase to pour money into this stuff because they're raking in huge % commissions. The potential upside is much bigger. I really wonder what it would take to create that sort of incentive for Amazon. My feeling is that we're decades away, if ever.
1535  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-02-02]Amazon Might Have to Issue a Cryptocurrency Soon on: February 06, 2019, 09:57:57 PM
But we can't deny the positive aspects.
Oh, there are plenty of positive aspects for sure. Amazon are probably losing hundreds of millions of dollars each year to credit card fees, which is by far the most common purchasing method. Even a fee of 1% would work out as over a billion dollars given their revenue of ~$180 billion. This could all be extra profit for them if they started accepting bitcoin.

It's not that simple. They'd need to worry about converting those coins into fiat. A processor like Bitpay charges 1%, so it's looking less lucrative already. If consumers demand it, I'm sure it'll eventually happen, but I see no real signs of demand from consumers.
1536  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A conspiracy against Bitcoin? on: February 06, 2019, 09:36:13 PM
He tweeted about it,



Go to the link posted in the OP. The complete version is there.

Okay, "working with DHS on tracking users" sounded quite a bit more involved than that. Cheesy

In any case, I was hoping for something a bit more reliable than Wright tweeting about himself. The guy seems like a narcissist. Many of things he lays claim to -- including being Satoshi -- are fabrications that only exist to massage his ego. I don't see why this would be any different. I assume 90% of what comes out of his mouth are lies.
1537  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: How bitcoin inheritance can be achieved. on: February 06, 2019, 09:26:49 PM
I've been thinking about inheritance and I've thought of a few options for this but I'm wondering if there's anything better:

1. (my favourite) make a transaction for a block approximately 10 years in the future from my current bitcoin address and sign it leaving the rawtx hash, a qr code and an address and private key in plain text that will be funded at that block height.

This is the only reliable model. The others leave too much to chance.

I would use nLockTime. First, I would help my inheritor safely set up a wallet and send a test transaction to verify control of the wallet. Then I would make a transaction that pays him/her in 6 months and reveal it them. Before the 6 months is up, I would spend the coins to a new address I control and restart the process with a new timelocked transaction. When you die, it'll eventually act as a dead man's switch.

I prefer something like 6 months because I wouldn't want my heirs having to wait 10 years to access the money.

Here's a more complex approach I came across that some people might think of as more robust.
1538  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A conspiracy against Bitcoin? on: February 06, 2019, 08:34:07 AM
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Did you know: Craig S Wright a.k.a. Faketoshi works with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) on tracking users etc?

The Hearn connection is understandable -- probably more so related to his work at Google than his work on Bitcoin stuff. The Gavin Andresen / CIA conspiracies have been around for years; we know he talked to the CIA.

The Faketoshi thing came out of left field, though. Is there a real source for this? Any details on what he actually did for DHS?

guess who else worked for google.. pieter wuille (Mr. segwit)

Source?
1539  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: SEC tendering for blockchain analysis companies on: February 06, 2019, 08:24:05 AM
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=c18a03f93cf06df47dab8a1c1a7f87a9

How do we interpret this move? Does this mean they're moving towards something that increases their ETF passing abilities or just gives them the opportunity to nail more people?

I don't get it. What's the connection to an ETF? Blockchain analysis might improve their ability to identify manipulation -- I don't really know -- but it's not going to give them jurisdiction over offshore exchanges where manipulation is occurring.

Maybe they want to zero in on DEX trading, since security tokens are always issued on smart contract protocols, and all that activity is on-chain.

I'd like to know how many cases have been built based on blockchain analysis. I have a sneaking feeling that much of it is utter bilge.

Probably some of the darknet market arrests. I imagine government agencies and blockchain data companies will continue honing their surveillance abilities over time.
1540  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Keeping Exchanges Secure on: February 06, 2019, 08:00:45 AM
Unfortunately, if you want to exchange your digital currency in a reasonable amount of time you'll have to put your crypto on a centralized exchange (for now)

DEX platforms definitely don't have the liquidity of centralized exchanges, but they're perfectly fine for smaller, casual traders. If you're trading less than 20-30 ETH worth of Ethereum assets, using a DEX is the way to go.

As of today, what's the most secure way for exchanges to keep your crypto safe while ensuring that it's always accessible when it needs to be withdrawn? I find it shocking that Cryptopia and QuadrigaCX went under just weeks apart due to poor handling of private keys.

Sadly, it doesn't surprise me at all. There's something about cryptocurrency -- the speed with which irreversible payments can be made -- that makes it especially prone to these events.

Is there no industry standard? MultiSig cold storage addresses?

QuadrigaCX stated they used multi-sig and cold storage. That's another problem with centralized exchanges. We take them at their word, but they often lie to our faces.

Can't people write distributed smart contracts that work with their internal APIs to control the transfer of funds?

Doesn't that require keeping private keys online? Cold storage needs to be a central requirement.
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