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1461  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Elon Musk calls crypto “quite energy intensive” on: February 21, 2019, 08:56:05 PM
“One of the downsides of crypto is it's quite energy intensive,” said Musk.

It's a shame that such a smart guy could make such an ignorant statement.

Now, if he had said “One of the downsides of crypto mining is it's quite energy intensive,” he would have been spot on.

Unfortunately, Musk probably has no idea that consensus methods that don't require mining - like Stellar's federated Byzantine agreement - even exist.

I'm sure he's not ignorant of alternative consensus methods. There just don't exist any yet that can come close to providing the security that proof-of-work does.

Federated consensus may have uses but it doesn't solve the Byzantine Generals' Problem and it requires a lot of trust. The point of Bitcoin was to eliminate trust, not to trust an elite group of validators to do the right thing.
1462  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Bitcoin" symbol on Google keyboard. on: February 20, 2019, 09:49:30 PM
I have updated my android just a week ago I use google keyboard only instead of using Samsung's proprietary keyboard. Sadly, it is not appearing in my android device. I am using android Oreo in one of the latest smartphones from Samsung! Can anyone else confirm the same?

Same here. I also have Oreo on Android with Gboard fully updated. Looks like they haven't added this to the Android app yet, which seems like a very odd move for Google.

It's like they wanted to roll this out to as few people as possible.

Is this some kind of prank of Google? I don't know any Iphone users (who are my friends) personally who downloads a 3rd party keyboard on their phones let alone it being a Google Product, so why bother adding a BTC sign when your loyal Android users don't receive it on their stock keyboards?

I was just thinking the same thing. It almost seems like a joke...
1463  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Smallest Bitcoin block on: February 20, 2019, 09:36:55 PM
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block/00000000000000189ad9b20ed103ac14ca5c08ecfb0f5a0f538e4678f4535c46

The same happened on this one too, wherein the block only contained a single transaction for the block reward. Idk if this is possible to do on a cumulative manner, though one thing I know is that it wouldn't be beneficial for the miner (in terms of profits) and the network (in terms of included transactions in a block) in the long run.
Mining empty blocks was a fear about asic boost for a while wasn't it?

I don't think the concern was about AsicBoost, but rather validationless "spy mining." Spy miners connect to competing pools, so when a competing pool finds a block and forwards the block header hash, they can start mining on top of it before validating. This prevents wasted idle hashing time.

The reason it produces empty blocks is because of Bitcoin mining's Poisson distribution -- sometimes a new block can be mined mere seconds after the previous one. This doesn't allow enough time for full validation. The spy miner can't risk including any transactions from the mempool, because they may have already been included in the previous block. Their only choice to secure the coinbase reward is to mine an empty block.

Supposedly more than half of all miners were spy mining in 2016. I'm not sure about now.
1464  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Elon Musk calls crypto “quite energy intensive” on: February 20, 2019, 09:22:49 PM
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He mentioned that one of the biggest downsides is the energy consumption. “One of the downsides of crypto is it's quite energy intensive,” said Musk.

Not all crypto is necessarily energy intensive like Bitcoin. There are proof-of-stake, hybrid proof-of-stake and other designs that are much less so, but it comes at a cost. If you want payment settlement so reliable that you can call it "irreversible" then you need to use proof-of-work.

Proof-of-work may be energy intensive, but what's the context? The legacy banking and gold production industries are very energy intensive, too. Nobody seems to mention that in these analyses. Why is everyone so hung up on Bitcoin? Like Musk says, Bitcoin's structure is quite brilliant. The whole design hinges on the fact that mining carries costs.
1465  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-02-20] Google Introduces Bitcoin Symbol on iOS Keyboards on: February 20, 2019, 09:10:45 PM
It's strange that it's only for iOS. I have Gboard on my Android and it's up-to-date, but no Bitcoin symbol to be found. I would have expected the update on Android first.

It's a clever way to get more people to switch from the apple keyboard to the google equivalent.

I much prefer the iOS keyboard myself. Maybe I'm just used to it. I doubt you'll find many people willing to switch over for this.
1466  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: How bitcoin inheritance can be achieved. on: February 19, 2019, 09:06:10 PM
One of the seeds is in my head only... Only

 Roll Eyes Shocked lol...funny.
Have you heard of dementia  Huh In case you have not, it is a disease that affects the brain , usually associated with old age.
Again, there are some illness that can make you lose your acuity, memory loss etc.

You sure won't be happy that your coins were lost into tin air just because you didn't save your passphrase in a hardware

I will because nothing else has access to it and I'm not very old.

Dementia is not the only concern. What about a blow to the head that causes memory loss? Or sudden death for whatever reason? There should always be some sort of fail-safe in place. Unless you're happy with the idea of someday donating to the rest of us with your lost coins. Tongue

I can mitigate round this and I went with the first option of time locking a transaction.

Good choice.
1467  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Blockchain.io domain owner fights back against Blockchain.com on: February 19, 2019, 08:52:22 PM
They do have legal grounds on their claim, blockchain.io is nowhere far from the industry blochchain.com is involved.

Blockchain.com obviously eclipses them in size, but that's not the important issue.

There seem to be two important questions. Is Blockchain.com's brand associated specifically with cryptocurrency exchange services? That's what Blockchain.io is doing. I've always associated Blockchain.com with wallet services.

Second, can the word "blockchain" be trademarked, especially in the context of cryptocurrency services? I doubt it.

I think this whole thing is an effort to shake down Blockchain.io and scare them into submission. I don't think there is a strong legal case.
1468  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Somebody paid $310,000 in transaction fee to send 0.1eth on: February 19, 2019, 08:41:43 PM
History repeats itself? Cheesy

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/258478e8b7a3b78301661e78b4f93a792af878b545442498065ab272eaacf035

It's technically possible for whoever mined the block to return the fees though..

There's a great thread about that one, definitely worth a read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=296217.0;all

I remember reading a few years back about a case like this. The whole thing unfolded on Reddit and I'm pretty sure the guy ended up communicating with the pool that mined the block they returned his coins. I can't find the thread now, though.
1469  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-02-18] Tim Draper Predicts Crypto Will Rule, Only Criminals Will Use Cash on: February 19, 2019, 08:05:17 PM
I think we underestimate the speed at which cash is going out of fashion. It's pretty darned alarming depending on your country. On top of that they're squeezing cash ever harder in how it interacts with banking.

It must really depend where you live. I live in the states, and everyone loves cash here. Literally everyone I know always carries some crisp bills in their wallet. All the gas stations list different cash and credit prices on their signage. A couple of my local restaurants only accept cash. There's also a huge food truck / food cart industry here and those are mostly cash only. My auto mechanic knocks 3% off my invoice when I pay him cash. And with so many undocumented immigrants here and also big grey markets like cannabis and hemp production, that adds huge demand for a cash economy. There are also things like laundromats, street vending, nail salons, etc. that are predominantly cash businesses.

I've also noticed that people here are becoming increasingly skeptical that service workers are receiving tips via apps and credit cards. There is a big culture of tipping service workers in cash for that reason.

Draper lives in California so he shouldn't be ignorant to this stuff. He's either acting completely delusional or has some other motive for saying things like this.
1470  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin developers wants to lower blocksize to 300kb to push LN on: February 19, 2019, 07:13:53 AM
I remember a plenty of posts from dabblers screaming about how a massive chunk of their dabble was lost in the sending so I think yes to an extent. If your first toe dip results in much of your play evaporating you're going to be turned off for quite some time, if not for good. Enough narked minnows is the same as one big swinging dick.

you also gotta think about the millions of people where an onchain fee is more than an hours wage.
even if they lock funds up to then play with LN.. they still gotta pay upfront just to get into LN

The design for Bitcoin was always dependent on users paying fees. Not to mention the fact that you need to buy (or mine) bitcoins first in order to use them. There have always been -- and will continue to be -- upfront costs just to use Bitcoin.

Once you've paid enough fees for two (or four or six) onchain transactions to open Lightning channels, you can make far more offchain transactions than that. Paying less fees for more transactions, with a security model that leverages Bitcoin's blockchain -- what's to complain about?
1471  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-02-15]Cryptocurrency Payments in Venezuela Subject to 15% Commission on: February 19, 2019, 06:58:08 AM
What a joke of a policy.

There is absolutely zero enforceability. Sure, you could potentially stop some big corporates from transacting in bitcoin without paying this 15% tariff, but how are you going to stop individuals conducting bitcoin transaction on a p2p basis? That aspect of it simply makes no sense to me.

I suppose they could do it the same way the FBI sets people up on Localbitcoins. The police pose as traders, setting up P2P deals with high volume traders. Then they get those traders to engage in illegal deals like transacting with $10,000+ without KYC.

The Venezuelan government could set up trades, then see if traders pay the tax. If they don't, the police might come knocking on their door.
1472  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: SEC tendering for blockchain analysis companies on: February 18, 2019, 11:24:21 PM
I actually wondered before if freshly minted coins would one day be worth a bit more if that ever happened (utxo interpretations, their attack on fungibility), ensuring miners get a hike on income. This would go completely contrary to the past, where older coins actually gained priority.

But I think for as long as users like us deliberately accept and use coins, and steer away from such exchanges or compliance, then we starve them off business anyway.

I've read of OTC buyers paying a premium for freshly minted coins. Dunno if it's true. It seems utterly ludicrous to me. As soon as it's established 'clean' coins are worth more the entire thing falls apart and becomes unusable. You'd wind up with a virgin subset that everyone else would spam with their dirty coins anyway.

Fungibility has always been an open question with Bitcoin. We can't foresee exactly how governments are going to apply money laundering regulations, and the ledger is completely transparent. I certainly would never seek out freshly minted coins personally, but I could understand if whale investors with deep pockets want to hedge that way as an insurance plan. They want their capital to be unimpeachable. I'm sure whatever premium they're paying is a drop in the bucket compared to the potential gains they're looking for.
1473  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-02-15] Argentina Settles Export Deal With Paraguay Using Bitcoin on: February 18, 2019, 11:13:19 PM
An interesting wee story, though in this context I'm not massively sure what they mean when they say Argentina paid Paraguay. Is this a formalised payment between governments? Payments between government backed companies or private companies with a government supply deal?

It doesn't look like an intergovernmental payment, just an import/export deal between two companies. A payment processor (Bitex) was used to convert the coins into pesos and deliver payment. Not exactly revolutionary, but I guess it's cool to see B2B payments happening with Bitcoin, even if the amounts are really small.
1474  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-02-18] Tim Draper Predicts Crypto Will Rule, Only Criminals Will Use Cash on: February 18, 2019, 11:04:50 PM
I don't mind Draper, but this statement is ridiculous. Non-criminals have very legitimate reasons to use cash. Some merchants offer lower prices for cash payment (vs. credit cards) so it can be cheaper to use. There are no fees to spend cash, so again, it's cheaper to use. Not to mention, cash is much more private than most cryptocurrencies.

And in 5 years, no less? Give me some of what he's smoking, please.
1475  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-02-14]Cryptopia Hack: Police Allows Exchange to Resume Operations on: February 17, 2019, 09:45:08 AM
cryptopia is in a very bad situation, no one who does not want to lose money will risk using this exchange if they return with their services.

Their name and reputation is totally dead.

That's what people said about Bitfinex in 2016, but they only became bigger after the hack. After the 2017 shutdown of BTC-e, people said the same thing too, but after WEX launched and partially refunded users and opened withdrawals, lots of customers remained loyal.

I never underestimate the gullibility of investors. People that don't appreciate Bitcoin's technology don't even understand the risks of exchanges. And that's especially true of Cryptopia's client base. They listed the worst of the worst coins -- we're talking about Dentacoin and 1,000 other ridiculous projects. I really think you guys are giving Cryptopia's customers too much credit. Smiley
1476  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Visa and Mastercard decided to increase their Fees.And there is nothing y can do on: February 17, 2019, 09:33:16 AM
"Visa cards generated 54.06% of all purchase transactions on general purpose cards worldwide. Debit cards with the Visa brand continued to account for the most purchase transactions with a share of 34.82%, followed by Visa credit cards with 19.23%.

Mastercard debit cards had a 13.30% share, overtaking Mastercard credit cards with a 12.87% share. UnionPay credit cards had a 7.59% share, and UnionPay debit cards had a 7.32% share. American Express had a 2.81% share, followed by JCB cards with 1.15% and Diners Club/Discover cards with 0.91%".

https://www.paymentscardsandmobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Purchase-transactions-on-global-card-networks-2016-1.jpg

UnionPay only works in China. So I think it is possible to say Visa and MasterCard work like a duopoly. I think there is no place in the world that accept credit cards but do not accept Visa or Mastercard.

UnionPay is definitely expanding beyond China. Where I live in the US, it's becoming common to see their logo everywhere Visa/Mastercard is posted. I don't think UnionPay cards are being issued to US customers, so the Chinese tourist/expat market must be huge.

I wish I knew more about antitrust laws. I have no idea if they apply here.
1477  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: SEC tendering for blockchain analysis companies on: February 17, 2019, 09:22:47 AM
You are underrating the problem that having the wrong utxo's could deliver. For instance, there's people getting their funds blocked on Gemini because they have a bunch of addresses in a blacklist. I know a guy that sent some coins he made off a gambling website, and they knew it came from said website. I think they will only get worse in this regard, and at some point they will demand history of your tx's to prove the origin.

I'm not sure about Gemini specifically, but they're probably just enforcing TOS against using their services for gambling. Coinbase does this, and I believe the legal rationale is to avoid direct money transmission to/from gambling sites to comply with the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act and the Federal Wire Act.
1478  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: It seems luke-jr is ready to make his own shitcoin forked version of Bitcoin :P on: February 16, 2019, 06:51:50 PM
I'm not the one who made up these definitions. They're just the definitions that certain group involved in Bitcoin development love to reword very couple years. Feel free to demonstrate otherwise. You are the one who is completely alone, referring to apples as oranges. You are at odds with the entire Bitcoin community. Deal with it.
FTFY

Show how it was redefined every couple years. Actually demonstrate it. Based on the wiki, those definitions haven't changed in the last five years. As always, you never provide any proof for your false claims.

seems its you that cant define it.
a "soft-hard...."

Sigh. In quotes, to emphasize the fact that consensus -- not stupid labels about soft vs. hard -- is what matters.

He's made hundreds of contributions to Bitcoin Core and maintains the BIP process. He's the one who realized Segwit could be implemented as a soft fork -- prior to that, it wasn't a serious option. He was probably integral in getting Segwit activated on the network by championing BIP148.

BIP148 was controversial, but it was coded as a soft fork. Not all soft forks are backward compatible. That's one of things that upset me so much about the BIP148 camp -- they marketed it as a backward compatible soft fork, which was completely false and deceptive. Of course, no UASF can be a priori backward compatible because soft forks require majority hashrate to remain compatible. Indeed, one might call it a "soft-hard" fork because it was a soft fork that was extremely likely to cause a network split.

As you may be able to tell, I was vehemently opposed to BIP148. It was incredibly reckless to do on such a short timeline and I honestly lost a lot of respect for the people who pushed it. I also think Luke is an asshole who puts his own misguided principles above all else, including the health of the Bitcoin network.

But credit where credit is due: Segwit never would have activated if not for BIP148.

easier to just admit it was hard.. and just social drama marketed FALSELY as soft, by use of baseball caps and twitter tags

There is no evidence or logic for what you're saying. You're just repeating, "It was hard! Buzz words! Baseball caps! Hard hard hard!"

It's easier to apply the definitions we've used for many years now, so we can stop wasting time on these stupid discussions. BIP148 was falsely marketed as backward compatible, which is just as bad as marketing a hard fork as a soft fork, but isn't the same thing.

I'm willing to call a bad apple a bad apple. I'm not willing to call an apple an orange. Words have meanings.

a soft fork would be something that only does something at high majority acceptance thats doesnt cause controversy.

That's ridiculous. We're talking about how to define code. Software doesn't care about controversy. People run it or they don't. We're trying to describe what the network is doing, not whether a code fork is controversial according to Franky.

As I've said over and over, the issue is whether consensus is broken -- we can agree on that. Why are you so obsessed with the definition of "hard fork?" Why does it matter one bit to this discussion?

148 and this new block lowering topic are not soft.

I will defer to the community on that one. As for your obsession, keep on keeping on!
1479  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: It seems luke-jr is ready to make his own shitcoin forked version of Bitcoin :P on: February 16, 2019, 08:51:34 AM
You're never going to get anywhere if you keep referring to apple slices as full definitions of apples
You're never going to get anywhere if you keep referring to apple phones as apple fruits simply because a name says its an apple

soft is soft because its soft.
hard is hard because its hard.

one hurts more then the other.. cant get more simpler than that

atleast you admit now UASF is a break of consensus.
meaning hard
one step forward.

I'm not the one who made up these definitions. They're just the definitions that everyone involved in Bitcoin development uses. Feel free to demonstrate otherwise. You are the one who is completely alone, referring to apples as oranges. You are at odds with the entire Bitcoin community. Deal with it.

As I've said over and over, the issue is whether consensus is broken -- we can agree on that. Why are you so obsessed with the definition of "hard fork?" Why does it matter one bit to this discussion?
1480  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Fees Can Be Cheaper Depending on the Timezone on: February 16, 2019, 08:21:33 AM
Interesting, so transaction congestion seems to spike during midday to afternoon, UTC? I wonder what that implies about European vs. American usage and if these findings could be corroborated another way.

It would be nice to see if this were the case over the long term, but with only a months worth of data, it could be a temporary anomaly.
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