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9461  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] Colloidal Silver - 750ml on: February 28, 2013, 12:29:41 AM
I never denied the medicinal properties of silver. I do agree, that like copper, silver inhibits the growth of bacteria on its surface. However, this does not imply that ingestion of elemental silver particles will lead to better health.
  • silver nitrate is not bioequivalent to elemental silver
  • your own quoted material states that the improvement was not due to silver nitrate per se
  • your own quoted material only stated silver was effective in topical applications, not ingestion

I'm quite sure that, while vaginal douches and oral rinses are arguably topical (or at least not ingestion per se), the pills used for treatment of gastrointestinal complaints and peptic ulcers were indisputably ingested.  

Maybe you have some special way of taking pills not involving ingestion (anally perhaps?).   Grin

(Remarkably, it wasn't until decades later that the link between ulcers and viruses/bacteria was established.)

Of course you never denied the medicinal properties of silver.  That would be stupid*.

*Quibbling about nitrate vs colloid is even more stupid because colloids have been demonstrated to be superior.

Good catch on recognizing the key metric of surface area.  Now think about how much surface area particles in a colloid have.  Hint: it's a lot!

If you don't see the implication, that's fine.  But please recognize that many other people, including experts with credentials vastly superior to your own, do.

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In fact, in the early 1900’s Alfred Searle, founder of the global Searle Pharmaceutical Company, had already discovered that silver in its liquid colloidal form could kill even the most deadly of pathogens. In his book Colloids in Biology and Medicine, 1919, Searle wrote:

    “Applying colloidal silver to human subjects has been done in a large number of cases with astonishingly successful results...it has the advantage of being rapidly fatal to microbes without toxic action on its host. It is quite stable. It protects rabbits from ten times the lethal dose of tetanus or diphtheria toxin.”

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Likewise, this Czech study published in the prestigious Journal of Physical Chemistry B in 2006, also demonstrated that colloidal silver was a highly effective agent against MRSA:

 “…silver particles with a narrow size distribution with an average size of 25 nm, which showed high antimicrobial and bactericidal activity against Gram-positive and Gram-negative bacteria, including highly multi-resistant strains such as methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA). The study further demonstrated that very low concentrations of silver could be utilized to destroy MRSA, as long as the silver particles were very small, averaging 25 nm.
9462  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: February 28, 2013, 12:13:39 AM
$31.89

Holy Hell, are you giys watching this shit?

Go green candle go!
9463  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-02-26 wired.co.uk - Announcing 'Wired Money': a one-day summit about disrup on: February 27, 2013, 11:25:13 PM
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Announcing 'Wired Money': a one-day summit about disrupting finance

Confirmed speakers at the event include Peter Vessenes, CEO of Bitcoin, and Sir iCEBREAKER, God Emperor of Arrakis, Liege Knight of Satoshi, Protector of the Holy Blockchain, 1st Viscount Mount Gox, Supreme Troller of Trolls, BT, G.C.V.O., K.C.B., M.D., D.Sc., D.C.L., LL.D., Emeritus Regius Professor, Cambridge, sometimes PRESIDENT of the Royal College of Physicians of London, England, and Doctor of the Church, etc. 
9464  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-02-26 Zerohedge.com - Alternative Currency Goes Mainstream As Bitcoin ATMs on: February 26, 2013, 10:20:57 PM
Excellent although it's very sad to see so many religious fanatics polluting the comments.  Roll Eyes

I used to read ZeroHedge, but then I started reading the comments and realized what a load of trash it really is. It is just pandering to far-right gold bugs and mocking the "current system" without presenting solutions or constructive ideas.

"Pandering to far-right gold bugs"

Yes that's me; I came as soon as i heard!


ZeroHedge is the best site on the net.  Your loss if the information there is presented in a manner too indelicate for your precious normative sensibilities.   Grin

9465  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] Colloidal Silver - 750ml on: February 26, 2013, 02:35:01 AM
Your claims are extraordinary because they go against current medical knowledge. I have provided papers proving silver has no effect. You have not presented any empirical evidence, besides inferences based on old knowledge.

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The oligodynamic effect (Greek: oligos = few, Greek: dynamis = force) was discovered in 1893 by the Swiss Karl Wilhelm von Nägeli as a toxic effect of metal ions on living cells, algae, molds, spores, fungi, viruses, prokaryotic and eukaryotic microorganisms, even in relatively low concentrations
hey guess what? your body is made of living cells.

No shit, Dick Tracy.  Assuming you know the difference between microorganisms and mammals, you really shouldn't go through life blissfully ignorant of the fact that:

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Silver can serve as a disinfectant at concentrations about 1,000 times lower than the toxic level to mammalian life (Warrington 1996).

I'd be happy to substantiate any "extraordinary claims" I've made, but am having trouble finding any.   Tongue

 Huh  How many "extraordinary claims" have I made?  One, two, three, twelve, forty-two?

 Huh  Where did I make these "extraordinary claims?"  In this thread?  In which post(s)?

 Roll Eyes  If you don't know how to use the quote feature, just cut and paste them in quote marks and I'll figure out the context.

I can't believe you are still contesting the antimicrobial efficacy of silver.  It's not a debate you can win.  In fact, you're going get your ass kicked!   Cool

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Silver in Healthcare: Its Antimicrobial Efficacy and Safety in Use
Royal Society of Chemistry, May 27, 2010
http://books.google.com/books?id=QxtLm7MgQhYC&lpg


^^^Is this enough empirical evidence, or shall I continue to educate you on the subject as you move the goalposts ever farther down the field?   Grin
9466  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [PATCH] increase block size limit on: February 25, 2013, 11:43:41 PM
It is time to revive this old thread since this should serve as a wakeup call to the Bitcoin community.



I don't see the urgency, so it's more like a snooze button than a wakeup call.
9467  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] Colloidal Silver - 750ml on: February 25, 2013, 08:23:53 PM
So hows about selling me a bottle for 1 btc?  Grin

Sure, bidding here starts at 29.00 USD (= 0.967 BTC) including shipping and escrow:

https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/14827-colloidal-silver-750ml?ref=2987
9468  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] Colloidal Silver - 750ml on: February 25, 2013, 06:26:20 PM
Neither silver nor DNA are magnetic, and even if they were the "magnetic binding" would undo itself once the virus particle got away from the silver particle. Secondly, human DNA and viral DNA are in most senses the same, so anything that would affect the viral DNA would probably also affect your DNA - although to be fair, human cells are much larger than viruses so because of the distance the magnetic effect on the viral DNA would probably be larger than on the human DNA, but the problem with that reasoning is that it presumes that such an effect exists in the first place.

Now, if you wish to claim an oligodynamic effect you should know that viruses are relatively insensitive to such effects, because they have very little in the way of enzymes. Virus particles are pretty much boxes of blueprints that are delivered to the host cells, and then the host cells manufacture enzymes and whatever else they need according to the specifications.

What a stunning display of ignorance!   Roll Eyes

Silver isn't magnetic?  Don't have even the faintest clue about what ions are, do you?

You also obviously don't know the difference between diamagnetism and ferromagnetism.

You should go on tour with the Insane Clown Posse.  They don't understand magnetism either!   Grin

"anything that would affect the viral DNA would probably also affect your DNA"

Now ^this^ takes the prize for abject stupidity.

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Acél was perhaps the first to observe that the oligodynamic action of silver was due to liberated
Ag+ as opposed to metallic (neutral) Ag.  Eichorn has emphasized that the charge significantly
facilitates electron displacement.  The oligodynamic metal charge effectively yanks electrons away from
another molecule (such as a bacterial membrane), in essence weakening the molecular bond and
rendering it susceptible to cleavage.  Goetz emphasized that, “the ionized state of silver is of
fundamental importance for an oligodynamic effect; at the same time, the experimental evidence seems
to indicate definitely that Ag, once bound to organocolloids (i.e., mild silver protein), almost completely
loses its ionized state.”  As Goetz’s knowledge evolved in realizations of the finer points of silver
oligodynamics, he eventually and correctly concluded that silver is microcidal only if it is in the ionic
state, as was more recently established by the work of Rochart and Uzdins who observed cells
selectively bond only with silver ions.

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Silver can serve as a disinfectant at concentrations about 1,000 times lower than the toxic level to mammalian life (Warrington 1996).

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Magnetic Disruption of Viral DNA

A virus is constructed of a capsid that contains incomplete segments of DNA and RNA. These DNA segments carry a slight magnetic charge. There is a claw on the outside of the virus that attaches the virus to a healthy cell. Once the virus is attached to a healthy cell it can”inject” the incomplete DNA into the healthy cell, producing damage to the normal DNA and causing it to reproduce abnormally. This can cause viral diseases like influenza, hepatitis, and cervical cancer.

The new supercharged silver acts like a magnet that attracts the charged DNA particles. The DNA binds so tightly to the silver that it makes a chaotic tangle of incomplete genetic material that can never lengthen out, so it can never go through replication. This inactivates the virus and prevents replication of viral disease. Normal cells have thicker, more protected cell membranes with a balanced charge, which protects them from the silver’s magnetic attraction.

Please don't quit your day job to teach molecular and cell biology, chemistry, or physics.   Tongue

That picture you said is "bullshit?"  It's smarter than you, King Dumbass.   Wink
9469  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] Colloidal Silver - 750ml on: February 25, 2013, 05:53:40 PM
Please elaborate on exactly what "extraordinary claims" I've made, and I'll be glad to back them up.   Smiley
your claims goes against the following:

according to your logic: since soap kills bacteria and viruses, you should drink soap to kill bacteria in your body. similar logic can be applied to any number of toxic substances.

in addition, all of silver's proven use in medication involves topical application, and no ingestion.

and guess what? snake oil was also widely used in the 19th and 20th century.

Please respond to the question where I asked you to enumerate the "extraordinary claims" I've made.

I maintain that I have made no such claims.  Please elaborate, or stop asserting that I have made any.  You are rebutting arguments I've never made.

Why do you keep babbling about "snake oil?"  Are you not capable of specifically discussing colloidal silver, the actual product at hand?

You have presented no evidence that "snake oil" was used for any of the well known purposes that silver served.

Did Hippocrates discuss snake oil in his writings?  NO.  Silver?  YES.

Did surgeons routinely use snake oil sutures to reduce infection?  NO.  Silver?  YES.

Did physicians use snake oil eyedrops to treat ophthalmic problems?  NO.  Silver?  YES.

Did many peoples, from Romans to American pioneers, use snake oil to keep water and milk fresh?  NO.  Silver?  YES.

I never advocated drinking soap.  Soap has an adverse reaction in the body at high concentrations and does nothing at 10 PPM.  Unlike silver:

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The oligodynamic effect (Greek: oligos = few, Greek: dynamis = force) was discovered in 1893 by the Swiss Karl Wilhelm von Nägeli as a toxic effect of metal ions on living cells, algae, molds, spores, fungi, viruses, prokaryotic and eukaryotic microorganisms, even in relatively low concentrations

Take your irrelevant straw men about "snake oil" and "soap" and go away until you are capable of discussing scientific matters without appeals to emotion.
9470  Economy / Auctions / Re: 900 ASICMINER shares auction on: February 25, 2013, 04:40:29 PM
BTC5.2 sent to 17AgHHkRVXtNdh4f7W4ZSP4ykeRUNvXBJn

TxID# 53929bb0837e268de45eba1f8bbe0ae9dd6bad51fef7ab9ae88a660f23930269
9471  Economy / Goods / Re: Colloidal Silver 750ml on: February 24, 2013, 03:49:28 AM
this is not how science works. you are the one making the extraordinary claim, not us. it is your claim that goes against our current understanding of medicine. the onus is on you to provide evidence to back your hypothesis. just because FDA is the government does not automatically make their position false.

Please elaborate on exactly what "extraordinary claims" I've made, and I'll be glad to back them up.   Smiley

FYI, the oligodynamic effect is not an extraordinary claim, it is established science.   Cool

Thank you for your interest in Sacred Silver, the first colloidal silver product produced exclusively for the Bitcoin community!
9472  Economy / Auctions / Re: 900 ASICMINER shares auction on: February 24, 2013, 03:33:59 AM
Please update my bid to:

10 @ [highest bid] + BTC0.01
9473  Economy / Goods / Re: Colloidal Silver 750ml on: February 23, 2013, 03:11:00 AM
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"Blight upon humanity?"  Wow.  Drama much?   Cheesy

No. I have a medical background in contrast to you and yes, I am utterly convinced killing off your particular genetic aberration is a boon to humanity more powerful than the renaissance was.

Yes.  You do drama much!

Please, be even more over the top with your violent, unpleasant eugenic fantasies of culling those you deem unfit.  It's great entertainment!   Cheesy

If you really had a medical background you wouldn't presume to scoff at the wisdom of Hippocrates, or the indisputable fact of the oligodynamic effect.

In contrast to you, I have background in hard science and thus respect the value of keeping an open mind.

And I suppose you are completely ignorant of this bit of history too:

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The silver protein molecule is Argyrol in use for over 100 years to date, ample in clinical data support of the benefits and versatility of the silver protein molecule in medicine without detriment of drug resistance.

Niched in opthalamics, Argyrol dominated topical antimicrobials for the first half of the 20th century. With the enormous profits from the sale of the drug for a wide range of indications in human and veterinary medicine.

Argyrol is an over-the-counter internationally recognized anti-infective, drug regulatory compliant immediate to manufacture and distribution in every jurisdiction for antiseptic use in medicine specifically due to global drug regulatory administrative adjudication initiated by FDA in the United States to mandate New Drug Applications for silver drugs.  Argyrol is found continuously in commerce in medicine since the date of Argyrol inception by Barnes and Hille.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyrol

Now go on and tell us why you think the FDA should be allowed to force supplement providers to prove their innocence, on pain of state violence.  Such a good little bootlicker!   Wink
9474  Economy / Goods / Re: Colloidal Silver 750ml on: February 23, 2013, 02:13:51 AM
There is no evidence that colloidal silver treats or prevents any medical condition, and it can cause serious and potentially irreversible side effects such as argyria.[11] In August 1999, the U.S. FDA banned colloidal silver sellers from claiming any therapeutic or preventive value for the product,[8] although silver-containing products continue to be promoted as dietary supplement in the U.S. under the looser regulatory standards applied to supplements.[8] The FDA has issued numerous Warning Letters to Internet sites that have continued to promote colloidal silver as an antibiotic or for other medical purposes.[47][48]

Oh my, aren't you a big fan of the fallacious Argument From Authority?   Wink

Taking medical advice from the FDA is like

1) taking financial advice from the SEC
2) taking fiscal advice from the Treasury
3) taking economic advice from the Fed

The government lies!  All the time!  Right to our stupid faces!

Remember this chestnut?

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Doctors Given Federal Threat On Marijuana
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/31/us/doctors-given-federal-threat-on-marijuana.html

The Clinton Administration said today that doctors in California and Arizona who prescribe drugs like marijuana that are illegal under Federal law could lose their prescription-writing privileges and even face criminal charges.

Voters in those two states approved propositions in November that relax restrictions on the medical use of some illegal drugs. But the Federal Government, uneasy with the measures, has been developing a strategy to counter them.

''These propositions are not about compassion, they are about legalizing dangerous drugs,'' Gen. Barry R. McCaffrey, retired, Director of the Administration's Office of National Drug Control Policy, said at a news conference today. ''These two propositions simply do not affect Federal law.''

Supporters of the Arizona and California measures have pointed to some research suggesting that marijuana may be useful for relieving internal eye pressure in glaucoma, for controlling nausea in cancer patients on chemotherapy, and for combating severe weight loss associated with AIDS and the human immunodeficiency virus.

Yet several organizations of experts say that there is no proved medical use for marijuana and that in any case better drugs exist to treat nausea, the effects of glaucoma and H.I.V.-related ''wasting.''

That was a point underscored at the news conference today by General McCaffrey, Attorney General Janet Reno and Donna E. Shalala, the Secretary of Health and Human Services.

''All available research,'' Secretary Shalala said, ''has concluded that marijuana is dangerous to our health. Marijuana harms the brain, heart, lungs and immune system.''

Did you believe Shalala too?  Tsk-tsk!  You should know better.   Undecided
9475  Economy / Goods / Re: Colloidal Silver 750ml on: February 23, 2013, 01:59:04 AM
Hint: This stuff is only legal to sell (in the US in opposition to every other civilized country in the world), because (in the US in opposition to every other civilized country in the world) registration agencies do everything the wrong way around. You don't have to prove your snake oil is safe, the FDA has to prove your snake oil is unsafe. Which is why (in the US in opposition to every other civilized country in the world) thousands of people die every year because snake oil sellers like you can only be stopped (in the US in opposition to every other civilized country in the world) after it has been conclusively proved it was your snake oil that killed them. You people are a blight upon humanity and should be forced to ingest your own product preferably before you procreate so we can finally can get rid of your specific contamination of the gene pool.

OK we get it.  You hate free markets and consumer choice.  You wish the burden of proof to be on the accused and somehow think it possible for them to prove a negative.

You love socialist hellholes, resent the freedoms unique and liberties exclusive to the USA, and confuse coercion with civilization.

I bet you also agree with the FedGov that medical cannabis has no medical value.  "Baa-baa" sayeth the wooly sheeple.   Roll Eyes

How many people have died from colloidal silver?  Zero.  How many have died from things they could have cheaply and easily treated with colloidal silver?  More than zero.

BTW I do ingest my own product, and TYVM for wishing death upon me.  Such remarks speak volumes about your own poor, unsavory character.

"Blight upon humanity?"  Wow.  Drama much?   Cheesy
9476  Economy / Goods / Re: Colloidal Silver 750ml on: February 23, 2013, 01:48:44 AM
What makes the FDA better than the FED?

The FED only tricks 98% of the sheeple into believing it's necessary to keep them safe from the big bad evil scary greedy free market.

The FDA fools 99% of them.  As demonstrated above.
9477  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [LOL] NOVASCAM price show going on at BTC-e on: February 23, 2013, 01:45:44 AM
That all you got to say studly boy?  Cheesy

Yes, that's all. 

You're no fun anymore Smoothie!

But thanks for getting my colloidal silver thread going. 

That was really nice of you.   Kiss

*PLONK*
9478  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] BITINVEST - Transparent low risk investment bond on: February 23, 2013, 01:39:10 AM
I'm not mad TF old buddy old pal, just returning the favor from when you kindly bumped my colloidal silver thread.   Cool

Sorry for calling BTCINVEST a stock, I now see it's a bond.

Even though the yield is much higher than I thought, I still wouldn't invest because having to PM you to cash out is weird and defeats the purpose of using an exchange.

Why not just put up a bid wall at BTC0.099 instead?  Seems kind of scammy...

NovaCoin trades freely on BTC-E, and you don't have to PM Balthazar to sell them!   Grin
9479  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [LOL] NOVASCAM price show going on at BTC-e on: February 22, 2013, 11:23:46 PM
iCEBREAKER is a huge NVC/Balthazar cheerleader.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

You got me there!  I do admire Balthazar because (unlike you) he is very intelligent, an excellent coder, and contributes greatly to the Bitcoin community. 

Can we just get married already?   Kiss
9480  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] BITINVEST - Transparent low risk investment bond on: February 22, 2013, 11:17:43 PM
Things for a potential buyer of BITINVEST to consider:

1.  BITINVEST, in the two months for which it as traded, has never exceeded its initial offer price.

2.  BITINVEST's latest dividend was a meager 0.0069807%.

3.  BITINVEST has little to no liquidity and is one of the least-traded securities on BitFunder (BTC0.60 in the last 48 hours).

4.  BITINVEST's highest bid order is a tiny 10 shares, at a price 20% below the ask (and they rapidly get worse from there).

Full disclosure:  I have over BTC20 BTC in several assets at BitFunder, but would never invest one Satoshi in a piece of garbage like BITINVEST.
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