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1441  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: is ETH centralized or decentralized? on: August 18, 2015, 12:39:59 PM
Ethereum is more decentralised after 2 weeks than Bitcoin was after 2 years.

The FUD I have had to read while enjoying my 5 day ban has been bad for my blood pressure. I want to reach through the screen and grab benthach by his scrawny little neck and just squeeze until his eyes roll back in his head.

eth is more decentralized after 2 weeks because no one can really use it, it's just decentralized in your head. eth is still a vaporware with centralized command line and will stay like this for many more years before they can prove anything, by then the devs(scammers) and everyone is moving on, which already happened. the price will drift to nothing, your last chance of getting rich with crypto will reduced to nothing.
1442  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum on: August 17, 2015, 03:17:56 PM
ethoream is a pump and dump vaporware
it's already done. it will drift down to nothing unless they could prove it's not vaporware, this could take years! as mentioned above, some of it founders already made serious money and now moving on to their next coins. ethoream is nothing but HYPE. remember ethoream founder(vatalik?) was tech of the year with some cheap magazine, even the tech not even exist? people should already get a point when someone win something over the tech which not even exist.

ethoream. really? i think you are throwing some serious bs here bud.

Agreed. ETH will be at a nice price in 6-12 months
Any evidence to back that up or just speculating and hoping your wallet is worth more fiat in that time so you feel like you made a good decision?

Wise guy. There are two things to that statement. One is yeah, I'm hoping my wallet will go up in value, not only in fiat, but BTC as well - why would I not want this? :p

2. With regards to evidence, call me tricked, or fooled, but I like coins that seem to not be too scammy, and have transparent devs with a great purpose. I like that Ethereum is fostering the "dapp" community. I think they have a great team and vision. Also, ETH does not directly compete with BTC, they can both rise. In many ways ETH has less competition than BTC and I think it has a nice chance to attract more and different users to the crypto and decentralized market scene.

IBM has been looking in to the protocol and many other big names. So, as far as evidence, that is what I have, the same news you know. I'm not on the inside of anything.

it's seem ibm already abandon ethereum long ago, it head of adept also gone. the video demo used by ibm is just example which not using ether. again, ether is just vaporware.

I understand the difference between ETH and Ethereum. I still think that people will invest in Eth due to ethereum.

i used eth short for ethereum because it's hard to spell. also eth is trading symbol for ethereum. i see you must really dumb

lol I don't think you understand actually

ok
1443  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum on: August 17, 2015, 03:16:20 PM
ethoream is a pump and dump vaporware
it's already done. it will drift down to nothing unless they could prove it's not vaporware, this could take years! as mentioned above, some of it founders already made serious money and now moving on to their next coins. ethoream is nothing but HYPE. remember ethoream founder(vatalik?) was tech of the year with some cheap magazine, even the tech not even exist? people should already get a point when someone win something over the tech which not even exist.

ethoream. really? i think you are throwing some serious bs here bud.

Agreed. ETH will be at a nice price in 6-12 months
Any evidence to back that up or just speculating and hoping your wallet is worth more fiat in that time so you feel like you made a good decision?

Wise guy. There are two things to that statement. One is yeah, I'm hoping my wallet will go up in value, not only in fiat, but BTC as well - why would I not want this? :p

2. With regards to evidence, call me tricked, or fooled, but I like coins that seem to not be too scammy, and have transparent devs with a great purpose. I like that Ethereum is fostering the "dapp" community. I think they have a great team and vision. Also, ETH does not directly compete with BTC, they can both rise. In many ways ETH has less competition than BTC and I think it has a nice chance to attract more and different users to the crypto and decentralized market scene.

IBM has been looking in to the protocol and many other big names. So, as far as evidence, that is what I have, the same news you know. I'm not on the inside of anything.

it's seem ibm already abandon ethereum long ago, it head of adept also gone. the video demo used by ibm is just example which not using ether. again, ether is just vaporware.

I understand the difference between ETH and Ethereum. I still think that people will invest in Eth due to ethereum.

i used eth short for ethereum because it's hard to spell. also eth is trading symbol for ethereum. i see you must really dumb
1444  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum on: August 17, 2015, 03:13:06 PM
ethoream is a pump and dump vaporware
it's already done. it will drift down to nothing unless they could prove it's not vaporware, this could take years! as mentioned above, some of it founders already made serious money and now moving on to their next coins. ethoream is nothing but HYPE. remember ethoream founder(vatalik?) was tech of the year with some cheap magazine, even the tech not even exist? people should already get a point when someone win something over the tech which not even exist.

ethoream. really? i think you are throwing some serious bs here bud.

Agreed. ETH will be at a nice price in 6-12 months
Any evidence to back that up or just speculating and hoping your wallet is worth more fiat in that time so you feel like you made a good decision?

Wise guy. There are two things to that statement. One is yeah, I'm hoping my wallet will go up in value, not only in fiat, but BTC as well - why would I not want this? :p

2. With regards to evidence, call me tricked, or fooled, but I like coins that seem to not be too scammy, and have transparent devs with a great purpose. I like that Ethereum is fostering the "dapp" community. I think they have a great team and vision. Also, ETH does not directly compete with BTC, they can both rise. In many ways ETH has less competition than BTC and I think it has a nice chance to attract more and different users to the crypto and decentralized market scene.

IBM has been looking in to the protocol and many other big names. So, as far as evidence, that is what I have, the same news you know. I'm not on the inside of anything.

it's seem ibm already abandon ethereum long ago, it head of adept also gone. the video demo used by ibm is just example which not using ether. again, ether is just hype vaporware. everyone is jumping on a sinking boat.
1445  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum on: August 17, 2015, 01:58:29 PM
ethoream is a pump and dump vaporware
it's already done. it will drift down to nothing unless they could prove it's not vaporware, this could take years! as mentioned above, some of it founders already made serious money and now moving on to their next coins. ethoream is nothing but HYPE. remember ethoream founder(vatalik?) was tech of the year with some cheap magazine, even the tech not even exist? people should already get a point when someone win something over the tech which not even exist.
1446  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: is ETH centralized or decentralized? on: August 16, 2015, 04:07:30 PM
is ETH store everything on it wallet and blockchain or it have to depend on a centrallized machines somewhere else?
i guessed no one can answer me anything, it's all about trading and no one really know crap about ETH.

i think if ETH and ETH dapp is centralized then it should be worth nothing. third party company like coinbase or blockchain should easily build contract and app around bitcoin, even little kid using java can build contract around bitcoin as third party. java is free! i guessed i will have to look into this if ETH and ETH dapp is centralized or decentralized.

Whether ether if centralised or decentralised i personally dont like the way ether was launched, to this day there isnt a proper announcement page for ether with total coins, algo, pools and other stuff, devs who dont get paid actually do a better job in my opinion.  


This is my problem as well. I hear all the great things about ETH and I am indeed intrigued, but when I go and try to find hard concrete evidence I come up empty. One of the biggest claims being thrown around rather loosely is the IBM and Samsung association.

The only thing I have found so far to back this up is a link on the bottom of ETH homepage with the IBM logo, but instead of going to a IBM or Samsung site, it instead points to a third party: https://www.theprotocol.tv/adept-demo-ibm-samsung/.

This article then references ADEPT, the Autonomous Decentralized Peer-to-Peer Telemetry project and provides a link to: http://ibm.biz/devicedemocracy. Searching this document yields no results for Ethereum.

I then search IBM's main site using the search function at the top of the page, and I do get three results. Two look like some type of support issues not really relevant upon reading them, but the first one is interesting, it is titled: Device democracy Saving the future of the Internet of Things, so I go read the pdf to investigate further. http://public.dhe.ibm.com/common/ssi/ecm/gb/en/gbe03620usen/GBE03620USEN.PDF

I search the pdf for Ethereum, and the only thing I can find is the footnote at the bottom:

Quote
15
“A Next-Generation Smart Contract and Decentralized Application Platform.” GitHub:
ethereum/wiki.
https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/wiki/%5BEnglish%5D-White-Paper
.
Accessed on August 29, 2014

So I look through the pdf to find the referenced quote and I find this:

Quote
Why blockchains work for the IoT
A technology breakthrough that has fundamentally changed our notions of centralized authority,
the blockchain is a universal digital ledger that functions at the heart of decentralized financial
systems such as Bitcoin, and increasingly, many other decentralized systems.

The blockchain holds a record of every transaction made by every participant. Cryptography
is used to verify transactions and keep information on the blockchain private. Many participants
verify each transaction, providing highly redundant verification and are rewarded for the
computational work required. By confirming transactions using decentralized consensus,
the blockchain eliminates the need for trust.

While the blockchain may carry regulatory and economic risk as a long-term store of value
(as in the case of Bitcoin), it can be quite revolutionary as a transaction processing tool.
15


In our vision of a decentralized IoT, the blockchain is the framework facilitating transaction
processing and coordination among interacting devices. Each manages its own roles and
behavior, resulting in an “Internet of Decentralized, Autonomous Things” – and thus the
democratization of the digital world (see Figure 5).

I highlighted in red the portion referencing footnote 15, the one referring to Ethereum. As you can see, they talk more about Bitcoin, and make just a passing reference to how the block chain can be used for a transaction processing tool which then refers to the Ethereum wiki page.

Well long story short, call me a bit underwhelmed by this support by IBM.

Maybe I am missing more relevant discussion or links, and if so please point them out. As I said before I am interested, but have yet to find any solid evidence to support all the claims.

https://www.theprotocol.tv/adept-demo-ibm-samsung/
here is ibm adept video, they talk about bitcoin, bittorent and ethoream. i don't see any ethoream in action in this video, i believed none of the demo in this video is using any ethoream coding. people would need to pay ethoream to use washer machine and to use remote control which can achieve with a simple java coding. i see this is probably the reason why the head of ibm adept is already gone. at this point ethoream is just pure HYPE. eth is basically still a vaporware at this point and it would take years before they can prove anything.
1447  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Is bittrex dead after they applied for bitlicense? on: August 15, 2015, 08:14:45 PM
bittrex? if play by the rule these scammer kids already jailed long ago.
not many people see what is coming? anonymous coins and decentralize exchange...ahem... blocknet...supernet...
the question, can they code? i accused jjjjj7777 being scam because i believed he can't code, he's trying to scam with many projects
sorry but btc will always king...for now

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/21320/coinffeine-launches-beta-version-decentralized-bitcoin-exchange-platform-worldwide/

Also if you think j777 cant code you should have checked out https://phabricator.supernet.org/
You can see almost in real time what they do.

This time at least he can code unlike Blocknet scam.

j777 is no different then blocknet, it's just jj777 is worst scammer.
1448  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: really? on: August 15, 2015, 11:23:34 AM
ar you troll everything? shut up!

i know bob is lonely playing with himself and his bot

lonely? lol i have the bot bro and i play with it



sorry you're not worth my time
1449  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: really? on: August 15, 2015, 11:18:52 AM
ar you troll everything? shut up!

i know bob is lonely playing with himself and his scam bot
1450  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Is bittrex dead after they applied for bitlicense? on: August 15, 2015, 11:09:58 AM
bittrex? if play by the rule these scammer kids already jailed long ago.
not many people see what is coming? anonymous coins and decentralize exchange...ahem... blocknet...supernet...
the question, can they code? i accused jjjjj7777 being scam because i believed he can't code, he's trying to scam with many projects
sorry but btc will always king...for now
1451  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What's the most interesting altcoin you've ever heard of? on: August 15, 2015, 10:47:33 AM
bagholders?
 Grin
1452  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / really? on: August 15, 2015, 09:24:43 AM


we know you're boring playing with yourself with that 99.99% own coins
stay there scammer, we will be back soon
1453  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: is ETH centralized or decentralized? on: August 15, 2015, 07:45:05 AM
is ETH store everything on it wallet and blockchain or it have to depend on a centrallized machines somewhere else?
i guessed no one can answer me anything, it's all about trading and no one really know crap about ETH.

i think if ETH and ETH dapp is centralized then it should be worth nothing. third party company like coinbase or blockchain should easily build contract and app around bitcoin, even little kid using java can build contract around bitcoin as third party. java is free! i guessed i will have to look into this if ETH and ETH dapp is centralized or decentralized.
1454  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum's big lie? IBM Adept on: August 15, 2015, 12:21:06 AM
put it this way ethoream trying to pack everything into one package but it end up bulky and messy.

Yeah, not clean like bitcoin with all the trusted third party applications that you have to trust in order to do some of the simplest Bitcoin2.0 fun times

now come to my other question, is ethoream centralized or decentralized? decentralized mean everything is pack/store into a blockchain and wallet, if the data was to store somewhere else then this meant it's centralized. if say ethoream is centralized then this shit should be worth nothing.


 The blockchain is a distributed data structure, it's not centralized. There is no central authority or central authoritative copy of the blockchain.

Ethereum having a single blockchain (rather than multiple blockchains) allows contracts to communicate with each other, applies all the network's processing power to maintaining the security of a

single blockchain rather than fragmenting it altcoin-style and ensures that the code and data people wish to use is maintained by the network rather than again fragmenting that effort.


I told you to find the answers yourself!

NextGenCrypto... do you see why it is not an Alt?

you didn't answer my question, you answer blockchain question. i didn't ask about blockchain question.
1455  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / is ETH centralized or decentralized? on: August 15, 2015, 12:16:38 AM
now come to my other question, is ethoream centralized or decentralized? decentralized mean everything is pack/store into a blockchain and wallet, if the data was to store somewhere else then this meant it's centralized. also the ETH app(dapp) centralized or decentralized?
can someone answer me a bit. i still don't understand much about this. thanks
1456  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum's big lie? IBM Adept on: August 15, 2015, 12:13:12 AM
put it this way ethoream trying to pack everything into one package but it end up bulky and messy.

Yeah, not clean like bitcoin with all the trusted third party applications that you have to trust in order to do some of the simplest Bitcoin2.0 fun times

now come to my other question, is ethoream centralized or decentralized? decentralized mean everything is pack/store into a blockchain and wallet, if the data was to store somewhere else then this meant it's centralized. if say ethoream is centralized then this shit should be worth nothing.
1457  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum's big lie? IBM Adept on: August 14, 2015, 10:18:32 PM
bitcoinjesus2.0... don't bother. Ethereum doesn't need to be explained to these idiots. They are incapable, or too brainwashed. Most of them just got into cryptos and have no concept of the trajectory it took to build something as unique as ETH. Last night there was a 500,000k BUY wall. 500,000K! I have never seen anything like that for an ALT. That's right... ETH is not an ALT.

ETH is not an ALT, it's a bulky and messy shit scam coding language
it's like building a java language and people need to pay to use it.
1458  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum's big lie? IBM Adept on: August 14, 2015, 10:12:08 PM
don't forget all the crappy terms ethoream came up with

what do you mean?

all these gas, blockchain, mist, i know there are more terms but i don't want to waste my time on it too much
again, it's going to be one messy bulky shit mixed into one
1459  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum's big lie? IBM Adept on: August 14, 2015, 10:08:08 PM
put it this way ethoream trying to pack everything into one package but it end up bulky and messy.

Yeah, not clean like bitcoin with all the trusted third party applications that you have to trust in order to do some of the simplest Bitcoin2.0 fun times

don't forget all the crappy terms ethoream came up with, it's going to be messy for people to understand and want to use it!
many many years to prove it
1460  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum's big lie? IBM Adept on: August 14, 2015, 10:05:20 PM
put it this way ethoream trying to pack everything into one package but it end up bulky and messy.
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