I just discovered that the forum works without javascript just fine
Oh lol WTF. XSS on Bitcoin forums at a time such as this. Eh. Surely this will further strengthen the people's belief in Bitcoin economy. //Noscript activated. |
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Every other post is people accusing users of being clones or puppets of other users.
Please we need to brainstorm a way reduce this,
This is a classic divide and conquer technique, not sure who it is being used by. Maybe it is happening naturally. It is not good for btc or this forum though.
Brainstorm your ideas.
This is happening because there is a lot of bad shit happening in the last three months. BTC is getting bigger, more finance-heads are playing old-world fraud games, and people's confidence is being eroded. The hobbyists are feeling taken for a ride, people are losing LOTs of money. Paranoia follows. Paranoia is actually healthy to a limited degree - we need more skepticism to keep BTC stable. We are seeing massive level scams being made. We need more serious buisnesses to invest in Bitcoin, so that it can gain trust of normal people. A currency cannot gain wider audience if it is mostly used by all kinds of con-artists. Bitcoin is as powerful tool as it always was, nothing has changed in that matter. All the amazing properties are the same, and no new technical weaknesses has been discovered. What failed is the dark part of human nature. And that is what we need to improve. |
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@Mt.Fun
I agree with most of your points.
Despite some heavy criticism, fluctuations and scams, Bitcoin is definately staying.
Why is that ? It's because it is an Open Source project. Open source projects never die, as long as there is at least one developer who wants to develop them. Some projects get revived even after years of code not being changed, but i highly doubt that will be the case with Bitcoins, as the development will never completely die.
Until today, everybody treated Bitcoin as a get-quick-rich scheme and a way to scam other people. That was the initial level. Now, we are moving into the next level: slow stabilization. The 3rd level is, i hope, fast but stable growth.
EDIT:
Also, another argument:
No technical weakness has been discovered to this day in BTC and it is still superior to any other currency known to mankind before. Nothing has changed really.
What we are observing now is just negative parts of human nature exploiting the occasion.
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I am a bitcoiner and what is this ? DO WANT !  |
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So if I send my bitcoins from MtGox to my own wallet.dat (I live in europe) I would have to pay import tax?
Actually, no. And that is the beauty of it. The actual balance is stored by the whole network, not on your physical computer. So by "sending" bitcoins, you don't really change their physical localization. It's just matter of complex mathematical computations. By sending Bitcoins, you give somebody else the rights of ownership to the bitcoins, but they don't move themselves. Unless the judge decides that the value is not attached to the code in the blockchain, but to the key that provides the right of ownership. Well yeah... I guess everybody makes mistakes. |
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Actually, no. And that is the beauty of it.
The actual balance is stored by the whole network, not on your physical computer. So by "sending" bitcoins, you don't really change their physical localization. It's just matter of complex mathematical computations.
By sending Bitcoins, you give somebody else the rights of ownership to the bitcoins, but they don't move themselves.
This all depends on the final legal status. Law is known to not care much about technical sense. It's not really "technical", its real. Bitcoins are physically not stored on anybody's computer. The private key giving you access to certain amounts of BTC should be viewed as a digital "certificate of ownership" of bitcoins, not bitcoins themselves - it's completely logical. |
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I would say that Bitcoin is not a virtual currency, because it is more like virtual goods.
After all, it has all the properties of gold, except it's not physical. So perhaps the law should simply treat it as a commodity.
So if I send my bitcoins from MtGox to my own wallet.dat (I live in europe) I would have to pay import tax? Actually, no. And that is the beauty of it. The actual balance is stored by the whole network, not on your physical computer. So by "sending" bitcoins, you don't really change their physical localization. It's just matter of complex mathematical computations. By sending Bitcoins, you give somebody else the rights of ownership to the bitcoins, but they don't move themselves. |
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Bitcoin is not a money, it's bitcoin. Don't try to interpret it with current laws...
The state will naturally try to interpret it with current laws. If you don't want to irritate the state, stop scratching it. In Japan we will most likely see new laws and new regulations adapted to bitcoin (nothing is set yet, talks are still in progress). Other countries could see the same thing if current laws are deemed "not enough". Anyway if you just read the law, Bitcoin is not a virtual currency. I would say that Bitcoin is not a virtual currency, because it is more like virtual goods. After all, it has all the properties of gold, except it's not physical. So perhaps the law should simply treat it as a commodity. |
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The general idea is very very good, but the current "snapshots" of the network should be put on torrent sites.
Torrents offer many advantages over normal ways of distribution:
- Automatic checking of authenticity (torrents have checksums integrated)
- Greatest speed of download
- Decentralization: no central servers needed (same as with Bitcoin)
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Since when are there goods produced outside china?   |
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I don't think it's a good idea to encourage distributions like Debian to package Bitcoin. There have been too many cases where people need to upgrade and Linux distributions are not exactly famous for keeping up to date with the latest releases. The last thing Bitcoin needs is big chunks of the network running ancient versions because that's what apt-get gives you. Let Linux users download the binaries from the web site instead.
if you're using Debian, good luck finding a current version of anything without permanently staying on unstable. Yep, that is it. We should place Bitcoin in repos of distros like Gentoo, Arch, Ubuntu, or Debian Sid (unstable, "fresh" debian), which have newer versions of packets updated more frequently. But this policy won't work with enterprise-class distros like Stable debian, CentoOS/Redhat etc. |
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If the global economic collapse, even gold will worth nothing, don't mention the bitcoin. only food and clean water worth the food and clean water.
This is only true for the first few months/years of the crisis. After that, when monetary economy begins to kick in again, Bitcoin will become one of the most valuable things out there. Of course only if internet will keep existing. Bitcoin doesn't exist without the internet. So if a war / or heavy crisis happens and communication networks get destroyed/disconnected, we need to reboot Internet first before Bitcoin can prevail. |
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And now bitomat.pl is dead - 17k(?) of bitcoins gone(?)
such a wonderful weekend...
WTF is going on ? Is this some kind of coordinated attack, or just coincidence ? I find it hard to believe in coincidences. FYI, Bitomat.pl was the largest Polish exchange, and simultaneously 3rd in the world. |
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these are all just excellent works guys!!!!! thank you!!!!!  There is nothing excellent in not being able to use a logo because of restrictive license... So my question stands. Are these logotypes public domain or Creative Commons ? |
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Is the logo in the public domain?
Bump. Are these logos (especially skull88's ones) all in public domain, or otherwise ? If so, what is the license ? |
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OK, MtGox finally contacted me and i regained access to my account.
Closing topic.
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Sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about. I find this discussion completely useless & unnecessary.
EOT.
Yes, I have no idea what Im talking about, after having written a more full-featured version of this patch a month ago. The fact is, i have been using 0.3.20 all the time now, and no coins were lost. So i think you are talking jibberish nevertheless. Sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about. I find this discussion completely useless & unnecessary.
EOT.
entire world is a conspiracy to defraud you of your bitcoins. Nobody is saying anything about conspiracy. It is just a "common ground" of most prominent miners & developers. They all invested money in mining, so why would they act differently ? Too bad the side effect is normal users are completely unnecessarily ripped off (for small money but still). Can we get this thread locked?
And what would be the reason for that ? Can't you just stop talking instead ? |
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this may be a dumb question, but have you checked your spam folder?
First thing i checked. |
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