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1341  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bounty for Bitcoin Animated Movie [13622.05 BTC ($2520) and growing] on: March 28, 2011, 07:59:19 PM
So is the bounty paid already ?
1342  Economy / Economics / Re: Time: Printing money does not lead to hiper-inflation, lower taxes do on: March 28, 2011, 06:38:31 PM
Research done, with the Laffer Curve in mind, strongly suggests that the optimal tax rate varies between 10% and 16%,

Well, the Bible says something about 10% being fair tax.

I guess God (obviously) knows the Laffer curve, and also knows the less taxes, the better life becomes.
1343  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you support moving to a system with controled inflation? on: March 28, 2011, 06:23:02 PM
I'm sick of this debate anyway.   Again:  just create a inflacoin, if you want.  It is just one line to comment in bitcoin's source code.

Not only that.

You also need to switch to another network, like testnet.
Changing the code you wrote now and running modified client in normal Bitcoin network, should be treated as an actual attack on the network.

Inflationists: Go fork and create your own network. It is just few lines of code.
1344  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you support moving to a system with controled inflation? on: March 28, 2011, 12:51:02 PM
Right now, selling 10,000 BTC (0.2% of the whole BTC circulation) will bring MtGox down to 0.60 USD based on open orders, and erode 25% of the total value of Bitcoins in a flash.  How is that much better than suffering a few percent of inflation per year at the hands of Bernanke?

Changing BTC to inflationary model will not fix this.
BTC with constant block reward will be also very deflationary in practice, and the situations you described can happen as well.
"Inflacoin" would be suspectible to the "early adopter" problem in the same way as BTC is, because that always happens with a rising currency - there are few people who invest in the currency first and they get the most out of it later - you can't avoid that.

And i still think that you have some hidden motive in supporting this.

1345  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you support moving to a system with controled inflation? on: March 27, 2011, 10:25:18 AM
This discussion itself is bullshit. Just create the damn fork and let the market decide. That is better option than making a poll.

I strongly disagree. I think it's pretty clear from the poll that the majority is for keeping the current system, so there's really no point in forking the blockchain. One thing we really don't want to do is to fragment the community.

1. There is completely no problem in creating a fork. If you are on this forum, you should be a believer in free market rules. So I am saying free market is the thing that will decide who is right in the quickest, most obvious way.
Also, it will only fragment the community for a short time, but after that, when all doubts will be resolved, Bitcoin will be stronger than ever.
"Things that don't kill you, make you stronger".

However, I don't see why we shouldn't discuss it? I find this discussion pretty interesting, and we're going to have to have it at one point or another as bitcoin becomes more popular. I find your insistence not to have this discussion pretty disturbing to say the least.

2. The discussion is simply not an effective way to decide who is right. The free market decides who is right.
1346  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: A Heroin Store on: March 27, 2011, 07:09:27 AM
Mail is very safe. I know drug vendors who have sent mail for over ten years and are still not busted. If mail was so easy to trace the unibomber would have been arrested by being traced through the mail instead of his brother pointing in his direction. If you send mail from a post office you are an idiot. You can send mail from any of the blue drop boxes. This is more or less the same thing as a dead drop. You can also send mail from ANYONES mail box, just sneak it in their box with outgoing mail shortly before the mail man comes. It is very safe to send mail.

Well, even if you are right, it's only safe for the seller.
It is nowhere near safe for the buyer.

The problem is, you never know if you aren't buying from a FBI/CIA agent.
GPS geocaching would be a nice way to at least partially fix this inconvenience.
1347  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you support moving to a system with controled inflation? on: March 27, 2011, 06:21:01 AM

Every argument I have seen, which purports to 'fix' Bitcoin for some economic reason or other seems also to make a presumption that there will be only one; and therefore must be 'perfected' to protect it from one limitation or other. This is the case with arguments about fees, and therefore block size limits, as well as the cases made for various inflation rates, or rates of extinguishing inflation.

I think it's fair to say that an important control that WILL need to be tweaked at some point is that maximum block size or else growth is unsustainable - there is no "free market" control on that number, something has to be done about it eventually.  Shall we procrastinate it until it becomes a huge problem?

This is not an economic problem, it is a technical problem partly tied to economics.  There exists no rational economic incentive to continue mining beyond the minting of new coins, because miners have no way to compel payers to pay a fee that makes mining worthwhile.  There is no way to achieve equilibrium.  

LOL, there exists no incentive given that EVEN NOW people are paying fees even if THEY DON'T HAVE TO ? I call bullshit.

I think that you are saying this only because you have certain interest in saying so.

Bitcoin was created exactly because of there is practical inflation in all normal (fiat) currencies, and now you are telling me that we should bring back the same shit we just escaped from  ?
Sorry, I don't think this is going to happen.

I also think the poll results clearly show what is the public opinion on this.

Please just take this inflationary bullshit with you and make a damn fork - we shall see what people choose. I will surely choose a currency that promises that tomorrow's bread will be always cheaper than today's bread. I don't see a point in my money being taxed.

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This discussion itself is bullshit. Just create the damn fork and let the market decide. That is better option than making a poll.
1348  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you support moving to a system with controled inflation? on: March 26, 2011, 04:05:15 PM
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Shortly, I will follow the one who I know is smarter than me, not some random guy i spotted on a forum.
Current deflation rate is the best because Satoshi said so. That is good enough for me.
Wow,

Do you bow down at the shrine and pray? What day is the day of worship?

Well, I do have portable ceremonial shrines... 99,99 BTC if you are interested too.
But this is a special offer that is valid only today !
1349  Other / Archival / Re: Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested :) on: March 26, 2011, 03:26:59 PM
silkroad:

I think you should take a look at the drug-related discussion in the other thread:
http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=175.msg71515#msg71515
1350  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you support moving to a system with controled inflation? on: March 26, 2011, 03:07:32 PM
So either (a) we should be looking for modifications that will increase deflation even more, like going from 50 - 25 - 12.5 to 50 - 5 - 0.5, or (b) wonder of wonders, Satoshi has gotten it exactly right on attempt #1. What luck!

There is a saying among programmers.
"If it works, don't change anything. Chances are you may break something".

Seriously, what every currency needs is stability.
I would say that following the rules set by somebody way smarter than you (satoshi) is very reasonable, and leads to the most stable situation for the currency.

So unless another genius comes along, i don't see any point of changing something that works nicely.

Shortly, I will follow the one who I know is smarter than me, not some random guy i spotted on a forum.
Current deflation rate is the best because Satoshi said so. That is good enough for me.
1351  Economy / Marketplace / [SCAM WARNING] [SCAM WARNING] [SCAM WARNING] [SCAM WARNING] [SCAM WARNING] on: March 26, 2011, 01:37:05 PM
up my thread !

Die already, scammer.

//BTW, i think this guy is retarded.
1352  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you support moving to a system with controled inflation? on: March 26, 2011, 01:31:55 PM
I voted yes even though I dislike inflation. I like the idea of a stable currency that is neither deflationary nor inflationary in the long run, where I can expect to buy the same product with one bitcoin today or next year. That's what a "store of value" is.

That kind of currency (50 BTC block reward forever) would also be very deflationary in practice while inflationary by design, exactly as Bitcoin.
That is because the number of goods & services offered for it would rise faster than the number of coins minted (assuming it became popular).

So it would be very similiar to Bitcoin, but simply worse (because of weaker practical deflation) and IMHO people would quickly abolish it.

Pointless. Strong No.
1353  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much hashing power the CIA can organize ? on: March 26, 2011, 01:15:34 AM
To the vast majority facebook is the internet.....

1. I don't know about that, I'm not using FB. But even on FB, people can link to Wikipedia.

2. Well, even if that's true, they still have the search bar in their browser.
I guess they know how to use it.

3. Also, they usually know youtube.

FB + Google + Youtube should be more than enough in this case.
1354  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bounty for Bitcoin Animated Movie [13622.05 BTC ($2520) and growing] on: March 26, 2011, 01:08:34 AM
Or perhaps you could release the background music and voice separately, so people can make modifications necessary for other languages

This is on the way (someone on YouTube already requested it). There were some details to clear up, because the final mix is a lot more complex than just some tracks on top of one another. Volume levels of individual elements adapt to the speakers voice. Change the speaker and the sound effects and music sound like somebody is playing with the volume knobs. We've decided to create a flat mix out of the sound effects and music alone. That's the best raw material for another sound engineer to go and mix a new voice into. If somebody does a translation without professional mixing, well, it won't sound perfect, but there is nothing we can do about that anyway.

Thx a lot.
1355  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much hashing power the CIA can organize ? on: March 26, 2011, 01:07:09 AM
They would take it over the only way they know how which is to claim pedophiles,drug users and terrorists are using it and they need to make it illegal to protect the citizens. They would come out of it smelling like roses while bitcoiners would look like scum for mentioning bitcoin in public.

No computers needed.

Oh, that trick stopped working on Internauts some time ago.
Yeah, it may work for some time on normal citizens, but Internet users are much better versed in the terms of internet technologies.

Because of the fact of Bitcoin being a P2P technology, the public will associate it with Bittorrent, not terrorism (unless governments claim that using BT is terrorism too, but that won't work either).

Yeah, i know what you are thinking. "The public" is stupid. Perhaps, most americans are stupid, but the ones already using Bittorrent, Wikipedia and Youtube (which is quite large percent i think) will very quickly undertstand what is going on and the government is lying. I mean it's 10 seconds on Google to find out what exactly Bitcoin is and what it is not, for God's sake.

So no, i don't think that calling Bitcoin users "terrorists" or Bitcoin itself "tool used to spread terror" will work in the information era.
1356  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you support moving to a system with controled inflation? on: March 25, 2011, 06:05:00 PM
BitCoin is not controlled inflation. It is a constant quantity used for Money. You can't print more, preventing Quantitative Easing.

That is a relative term.

The inflation in Bitcoin is predefined and "controlled" by mathematical algorithm that is known to all parties in advance.
So it is "controlled" in a way.

Bitcoin is inflationary, and it will stay so until the last coin is mined (for another 100 years or so). Of course, the inflation decreases over time.
1357  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Mining Guide (on weusecoins.com) - Needs review! on: March 25, 2011, 05:58:02 PM
I wouldn't even try to introduce mining on weusecoins.com.  I see it as a site to introduce bitcoin to average users (and merchants).  Average users are not going to be mining.  Mining is enough of a distraction from real uses of bitcoin as it is - we don't need to make it more so.

+1

+1
1358  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you support moving to a system with controled inflation? on: March 25, 2011, 05:48:56 PM
It seems the issue of inflation vs. deflation is pretty controversial, so I thought it would be interesting to see where the majority is, and how strong it is.

Bitcoin _is_ a system with controlled inflation.
And it will keep being so for about next 100 years.



So you are asking the wrong question.

I think that the question you want to ask is "Would you support moving to a fiat-like electronic decentralized currency system".

EDIT:
The question for you is:
What or who will "control" the inflation in your idea ?
1359  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: bitcoind stops responding to RPC requests on: March 25, 2011, 01:35:26 PM
Oops. Should RPCs be run with the BFL held?
D'oh!

sendfrom should definitely CRITICAL_BLOCK(cs_main).  Nice catch ArtForz.


For which version will the patch be scheduled for ?
1360  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: An anonymous bitcoin-operated mail service on: March 24, 2011, 06:28:24 PM
Teppy, what a brilliant idea! Just for the theoretical approach of course! Cheesy
(...)Once the packet is placed on the secret spot, you will get the info - could be gps-coordinates - or some advanced app on your iphone.

Secret mail service = instant terrorist threat = no go.

Absolutely.

The only viable option is GPS geocaching. Everything else is easily traceable.
Using normal mail, there is 99,9% probabilty you will be caught sooner or later.

Actually, anything physical (leaving physical traces) or involving third person is easily traceable, because you only need to find weak link in the chain to find the seller. People are usually the weakest links.

I hope silkroad realizes this, because if he doesn't switch to GPS geocaching-only, sooner or later he will be caught.
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