pad the order books, make for the spread, lose the bot, take his stock and pump over his loss point. all in a day's work  that felt like a community job. perfectly timed attacks. |
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Pump and dump games flashed me once again  . Good I lost only 0.1 on this crap. I see this coin declining further and further in the coming days/weeks. well dont daytrade if u dont have a proper trading strategy. just invest an amount you're willing to bet and lose without too much worry of recovering in another market or something. let the devs and traders work. this was just a margin trading bot. do not be surprised to see opal at 25k in coming weeks  |
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seeya wally yeah seems to be gone, i feel sorry for everyone that sold all their coins this low. i think they will be crying soon lol theres not really much holding us back now, if you look at the order book on sell side. 90% of sell orders are very small, so work it out for yourselves not gone, but his sell power is reduced. last .35btc remaining on sell side still attempting to push down but itll get 'borrowed' shortly lol |
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seeya wally |
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P.S. It seems the OPAL price spike attracted the "Wally bot", my name for the bot that is intentionally pushing the price down. It is operating across all the major altcoins and is funded by thousands of BTC. Not sure how profitable it is, nor what its motives are (might not be profits), but the fact that Wally bot is running on OPAL means OPAL has arrived!
well i nipped the bugger at 2800 for 10k to reduce his pushing power lol it seemed to set him back a bit but he recovered within an hr. i think someone sold to him on the low. so he won.. that round *grumbles* The bot seems to be human directed and changes its targets every once in a while after a period of pushing down, it flips and then banks some profits. I think once OPAL started trading on cryptsy, it created dual markets and that is how it funds its daily operations. eg. push down price on one exchange, arbitrage on the other. Then it picks the weaker orderbook to push, rinse, repeat. So, anytime any coin goes up a lot, it pushes down, then reverses and pushes up, etc. I have heard that some have figure out how to beat the bot and are making some steady gains taking advantage of its patterns. James it's a bot of course there will be patterns. yeah he seems to be playing cryptsy now too. got my own system in play, ill work around him for now lol. |
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P.S. It seems the OPAL price spike attracted the "Wally bot", my name for the bot that is intentionally pushing the price down. It is operating across all the major altcoins and is funded by thousands of BTC. Not sure how profitable it is, nor what its motives are (might not be profits), but the fact that Wally bot is running on OPAL means OPAL has arrived!
well i nipped the bugger at 2800 for 10k to reduce his pushing power lol it seemed to set him back a bit but he recovered within an hr. i think someone sold to him on the low. so he won.. that round *grumbles* |
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And how can F2C have this perfect and steady value growth and not Opal?
I means,what difference?
I see 50% premine of a 100mcoin,no pod,no feature...
Like... Seriously ? And no one dips in price this is unbelievable.
LOL yeah i missed f2c too. price held at 80k and i was sure it would drop. it doubled lol |
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i like your perspective, yes it is a fun game, but all in all im just commenting towards my perspective of seeing what everyone wants to see... price rises and the support of a coin and dev taking the value of his stocks as high as they can stably hold. i mean, what better marketing initiative can there be than a coin that makes a solid steady rise of unmanipulated true organic growth. for me nothing is more attractive. i mean go 10x, and 10% of your stock becomes roi. meaning you still have 90% in essentially free coins. taking out roi and leaving room for growth will pay off naturally over the longer term. no need for this wallstreet trading tricks crap. some people watch too much tv lol
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anyway, ill leave off by saying, if you're really believing that tech alone will attract investors you got another thing coming. blackcoin is a perfect example. major projects, lowest price since it picked up from 400 satoshi. you really want to bring investors into crypto, you need to produce price stability, or crypto will never be taken very very seriously. the ridiculous fluctuations basically speak of what faith ppl have in the product. and merchants as well as major investors, longterm investors arent just going to sit around while the price drops holding the bag. this is crypto, too much can happen. do i regret bailing at 48k? lets just look at the market and ask that question again. i can buy twice amount of opal now. or i could just buy back my stock for half price off? LOL
whatever, i can play this game whichever way it swings. i just thought you guys wouldve rather been sitting on 17k now than 3.
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I agree with you altcoin.center.
That's why my focus has been on 2nd generation Cryptos that bring innovation to the crypto scene.
Cryptos based off the BTC block chain have turned now into profit making manipulation machines by skilled traders.
Cryptocoins are for the betterment of society, this should not be treated like the stock market. Just look at where wall street has lead many people.
i think your perspective is actually a bit warped regarding trading. what we're seeing precisely in opal atm is the wallstreet style trading. buy early, wait for a rise, and then control the market with large sells and buys until someone buys u out. if noone comes to buy you out and you keep losing investors, the value falls. this is manipulation and it frustrates investors from returning to the market to reinvest. the proper perspective however to note.. is that a skilled daytrader or rather a skilled group of daytraders, who never fail to sell higher than they bought, whilst still reinvesting all of their profits to keep the price afloat and push it further is proper organic trading without scheming tactics. the schemes are what turn investors off. suppressing the market to squeeze out investors who may have otherwise held over the longterm and contribute to market scarcity and price rise. day traders are a good force once they arent doing stupid things like selling at less than they bought in at. shovelling value up the chain into the psychology of the investors. by doing this repeatedly and reinvesting, the value goes up continually the floor value is raised as noone wants to sell below their last buy in point, nor buy in above their last sell point. your perspective would be accurate if investors/daytraders were just taking profits and running. not reinvesting. that wasnt the case here. we were enjoying a solid organic growth cycle. this suppression tactic was predictably going to cast away investors. hence why i bailed high up. once the manipulation ends, ill begin shovelling some more shit. You're talking from a strict investors point of view. Crypto coins is not a new company you are buying into, you're buying into tech that will be used as a new monetary system. The BTC protocol is not being improved by simply forking and cloning a coin. Gen 2 coins are creating their own block chain and improving upon BTC protocol. BTC clones are good if all you're looking for is P&D, but not if you can see the bigger picture of the concept behind Cryptos. well i prefer to keep that view. for me it is a company, a community based company and each coin you buy is a share in investment into the product. so if i buy 1million coins i like to think of it as owning a 1/15 share. 14 more ppl like that and the value coild be $1000. of course, they wouldve had to not be too greedy in buying more than they can afford to do without longterm while they slowly sell at the top. what can i say, i would do things a different way. but as far as trading in cryptos goes and what generates value, i have a strong sense of that already. which is why i went all in opal when i found it. all in.. who does that? me, with a nose for good investment. |
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I agree with you altcoin.center.
That's why my focus has been on 2nd generation Cryptos that bring innovation to the crypto scene.
Cryptos based off the BTC block chain have turned now into profit making manipulation machines by skilled traders.
Cryptocoins are for the betterment of society, this should not be treated like the stock market. Just look at where wall street has lead many people.
i think your perspective is actually a bit warped regarding trading. what we're seeing precisely in opal atm is the wallstreet style trading. buy early, wait for a rise, and then control the market with large sells and buys until someone buys u out. if noone comes to buy you out and you keep losing investors, the value falls. this is manipulation and it frustrates investors from returning to the market to reinvest. the proper perspective however to note.. is that a skilled daytrader or rather a skilled group of daytraders, who never fail to sell higher than they bought, whilst still reinvesting all of their profits to keep the price afloat and push it further is proper organic trading without scheming tactics. the schemes are what turn investors off. suppressing the market to squeeze out investors who may have otherwise held over the longterm and contribute to market scarcity and price rise. day traders are a good force once they arent doing stupid things like selling at less than they bought in at. shovelling value up the chain into the psychology of the investors. by doing this repeatedly and reinvesting, the value goes up continually the floor value is raised as noone wants to sell below their last buy in point, nor buy in above their last sell point. your perspective would be accurate if investors/daytraders were just taking profits and running. not reinvesting. that wasnt the case here. we were enjoying a solid organic growth cycle. this suppression tactic was predictably going to cast away investors. hence why i bailed high up. once the manipulation ends, ill begin shovelling some more shit. |
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you always have a lot to say, would have expected someone like you to be able to find out how things work by yourself Most people know what supernet and its advantages are, nobody besides a select few bought in hearing supernet, and not understanding what it is. That's the problem, I did try to find things out by myself. But the more I was learning, the more I was having to discover. SuperNET is actually quite complicated, a lot of moving parts. When I saw the high interest in Opal (price jump), and then the dramatic drop afterwards, I know that's normal, but I was wondering if we were losing some people who did not understand what Opal really is all about. We kept reading posts from people asking "what makes opal special". Yes, I know, people are lazy, but I'm not one of them. The problem I was really seeing is that SuperNET wasn't explained to our community "from an Opal perspective", and it really should be.. Even I was confused an immediately bought some BTCD figuring that was the key here, only to see lack of interest, and I got back out and re-bought Opal again. The point is, that while Opal's interest is garnering a lot of attention, we really need to use this forum to address questions. What's the point of a forum if we just tell everyone to "go find out for yourself". Talking openly and sharing information is good and key to the survival long term. yeah people get cocky when their making alot of money. ask the guy with the pile of sell orders how he feels now after playing the fool on the 5k line. his investment is now worth half what it was and it's his own fault. now he cant even sell below 3500 satoshi it seem, stuck holding the bag and i have a good mind to leave him there. |
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sorry but i beg to differ.
No need for aplologies. if not for that guy we'd have kept going up past 5k. that's where he started his driving game. now the lower we go the more risk of margins slowing down growth for the future, unless someone has like $1million dollars ready to invest in opal at opportune time. you guys not worried about price. ok. ive heard that before. but logically, the price rise we saw was enough for everyone to gain their roi and still keep alot of free coins. so thered be no reason imo for opal to go down to half it's peak. 5k couldve been the low.
I do understand your point. However, I also consider it problematic that the focus is so tightly in the price to begin with - especially since there's nothing concrete to which the price would be bound to, meaning it's all tactics, assumptions and speculation. The way I see it, the value of a currency (any currency) has to actually be bound to something real. Things went wrong with dollar as well soon after it was disconnected from the gold backing. but hey im not complaining. go as low as you want. let's go back to 1k since noone cares about price. looking forward to a buy in.
Should I be publishing a coin of my own, I would start by the assumption and even the specific wish that it would not be listed on any exchange for at least six-twelve months. The way I see it, the time for the buying and selling would be only after the tech part, the partnerships, the community and everything else has already been formed. It is in fact quite possible that A.C will be publishing a currency of our own sometime in the near future. Should that happen, the whole point of the coin in question will be to provide a currency with concrete and stable value that can be used as a pillar-stone that other cryptos can use to achieve additional stability. - Jyri -- Altcoin.Center why because ive been marketing opal from it's 3rd 700satoshi rise and bringing loads of new investors to the market. hopefully they all pulled out some decent profit i mean none of them were complaining and seemed happy. but may not be the best daytraders. why because nothing, and i mean nothing is a better marketing tool than a price rise and stability at that price rise. you could release 1000 new articles reaching new investors but confidence and value is what most people will be looking for. in short, there is no way for a guy to get laid atm saying he owns opalcoins LOL the focus should always be on price. let's not kid ourselves. traders want a live market and if they're skilled, investors would benefit from the price rises in their work. and everyone would be happy and keep recommending opal to friends. look what's happened to vrc and blackcoin. ppl are just fedup of the inconsistency. technology after technology but when you frustrate all your investors you can expect alot of them to bail and turn their backs for good in many instances. meaning ur losing out on marketcap. you want to release news now when we've sunk from position 50 in marketcap to 100 and you think that will be a selling point to new investors? anyone who wasnt paying attention and sees that may quicker rush to bail. u release more articles in uptrends, not when investors can see that horrible looking graph as it is atm a pump with a slow exit. ill await to see what opalteam can release to spur this market on again after what some will consider, abuse. |
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Sorry for the little rant, but it pains me to see all the talk about price. Let get back to work building the community.
I agree. Expecting the price to remain high (or getting ever higher) is understandable but not a very well grounded aspect. The whole crypto scene is suffering from way too much energy going to just the short term price game. To build something sustainable, a much wider and more persistent perspective is needed. - Jyri -- Altcoin.Center sorry but i beg to differ. if not for that guy we'd have kept going up past 5k. that's where he started his driving game. now the lower we go the more risk of margins slowing down growth for the future, unless someone has like $1million dollars ready to invest in opal at opportune time. you guys not worried about price. ok. ive heard that before. but logically, the price rise we saw was enough for everyone to gain their roi and still keep alot of free coins. so thered be no reason imo for opal to go down to half it's peak. 5k couldve been the low. but hey im not complaining. go as low as you want. let's go back to 1k since noone cares about price. looking forward to a buy in. |
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you always have a lot to say, would have expected someone like you to be able to find out how things work by yourself Most people know what supernet and its advantages are, nobody besides a select few bought in hearing supernet, and not understanding what it is. And yes the 25k guy he is stagnating the whole market. such a clown scaring everybody off. i dont know if he thinks he's clever. but he isnt. we need to get rid of him. if it's a bot we can trick it into a loss cycle. that'll teach him. im good for another 20k opal but not with that dude hovering the buy and sell side playing little miss mary. push up, buy his coin which should be selling at a loss now. let him buy in higher then push down and take it back from him at a loss. every time you place a bid it jumps in front of you while chasing down sell side. he's trying to control the margins. wish bittrex could just ban him we'd be back on track. i dont know but i dont think we have a choice but to let the market go down for a bit if only just to shake this guy. Yeah its a bot calculating the margins and calculating his buys and sells. He pushed down so aggressively i dont know what his deal is. I can only imagine he sold a bunch and pushed hard to be able to buy enough back. Bittrex doesnt ban guys like this unfortunately hehe, bittrex is infested with bots and get most of their vol from them. They love them..just like they love scam ico's I still am not that worried since there is so much technology backing opal, the same guy(s) will take opportunities like opal drive etc and pump it even higher on occasions, this will probably keep happening. Let this guy ruin it for a bit at the moment. We are all watching. what im picking up, he thought he could control the manipulation and push up and push down at whim. but now he's lower than buy in and panicking. i suspect all those sells are his. if we could drag him down a bit lower and then do a nice pump taking everything in one shot we might be able to shake him, then bail again when he places buy control over our heads again. wash rinse repeat till he has 0 btc lol |
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you always have a lot to say, would have expected someone like you to be able to find out how things work by yourself Most people know what supernet and its advantages are, nobody besides a select few bought in hearing supernet, and not understanding what it is. And yes the 25k guy he is stagnating the whole market. such a clown scaring everybody off. i dont know if he thinks he's clever. but he isnt. we need to get rid of him. if it's a bot we can trick it into a loss cycle. that'll teach him. im good for another 20k opal but not with that dude hovering the buy and sell side playing little miss mary. push up, buy his coin which should be selling at a loss now. let him buy in higher then push down and take it back from him at a loss. every time you place a bid it jumps in front of you while chasing down sell side. he's trying to control the margins. wish bittrex could just ban him we'd be back on track. i dont know but i dont think we have a choice but to let the market go down for a bit if only just to shake this guy. |
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It appears investors are confused, probably why Opal dropped from >6k sats down to 3.7K now
The initial jump was due to the Opal Drive, and storj integration, which was easy enough to understand.
Then all of a sudden the SuperNET announcement came out, and people were buying without realizing what it is they were chasing.
Now that the excitement has calmed down, there are a lot of confused people (myself included). Doing preliminary research, it appears if you buy UNITY it's better than buying OPAL, is that true?
What are the benefits of buying opal today? Will it preserve it's value? Will we be able to exchange it for UNITY or NXT?
Is there going to be a increase of people wanting Opal in the future once this mgmBTC thing starts working for asset transfers?
It's so confusing, and to be honest, the graphic doesn't help much.
What we need is a few sample case scenarios.
Ie: If you own Opal today, here's something that could expect in the future. Your Opal could be a 15:1 ratio of Opal to UNITY, so buying UNITY now, doesn't make much sense, since Opal is POS and worth more.
That sort of thing. I don't know. Help?
nonesense, it's due to the idiot on bittrex orderbooks. i dont know if it's a bot. but he's just fucking up the market with his 25k orders. pulled all my orders wont trade with that. let him buy all the opal. he was driving down the price now he's trying to drive it up. if others are thinking what im thinking. noone wants to trade opal on bittrex atm. and personally a manipulated market is grounds for total abandonment in my books. sorry speaking plainly not fud. |
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fuck i call bottom too low, only got 1/4th of orders hit.
hehe my bad 10k at 3350 might have sucked up the last bits like a juicy grape lol  . |
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this coin should be in 10k are still in 1k area hmm any reasons
yeah so these dumps are like discount opals. lol caught the bottom of this one. yummy. |
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jeze that guy was annoying. LOL
bidder at 4051 is an idiot. dont sell to him. lets pad the buys over him. more btc on the way (bittrex)
i could say the same about the idiot who put up a sell of 25k at ~4100.. just gobbled that mother up.. now just gota wait for this road map! so it was you. thats the same guy im talking about. hes been screwing with the orderbook trying to confuse the market for a while. i was waiting to strike at it too LOL. you were fast man! he's been playing with about 75k just chasing down the buys and trying to dodge getting his coin sold lol. just being mischievous. i have zero patience lol saw the order just as my btc confirmed so just felt like my destiny to buy it! :L hes been doing it since half way up the rise i think.. moving 25k orders around like a yo-yo.. had better go back up now lol edit: i see he has bumped his 25k buy up to 4050 lol really hope someone starts buying and he has to panic buy yeah i think that was totally yours, the way i saw it your buy swept him up just as his order got placed. i was sure he was going to post it at 4100 just to tease us lol |
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