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101  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SNC] SunContract - Decentralized Energy Market TOKEN SALE IS LIVE NOW!!!! on: June 30, 2017, 04:25:31 PM
Here is a post I made on another similar project. Decentralization on the grid will never work for the following reason. Some of the facts could be beyond the scope for the project, but most of them apply.

Do Not Risk a Penny on this

Here is why:
1. This is not a new idea. I work for a utility company and we have been investing billions in microgrid projects. This is exactly what it is. You create a local community / local grid, where people can support each others energy demands. The only exception here is that they are creating a decentralized buying/selling system.

BUT utility companies are never going to allow this, because it does not pay to maintain the traditional grid infrastructure.

There are already laws in place for exactly this reason, that people cannot sell their electricity to other people directly.

What this company, and other similar companies like trans active grid are doing is creating a token to make that sell-buy to get around that law(which states money isn't to be used).

Here is what will happen after. Governments will realize people are trying a way around and will BAN any asset trading that would lead to violating that law. All the money invested in these companies  and their platforms will collapse.

Utility companies in the near future will be launching microgrid systems.

2. Volatility in the Token Market:  The token that the company is selling again is not real money. They will be used in the platform they are launching, which means people will be buying and selling it ultimately leading to a market for that token on an exchange.

So if I am a person in a small society looking to participate in a decentralized energy production and buying platform, I would firstly have to buy these tokens, and then sell it to meet my real life demands.

But this  token will be traded on an exchange, the price will be volatile just like bitcoin and hence a normal person would simply not be interested in such a technology due to the price variation in the tokens. Because that could mean losing money by selling to the platform as theilr sole incentive was to be informed on who they are selling to, and getting slightly higher price than selling to utility companies.

 3. No Need for Decentralization on grid : Governments around the world buy electricity on smart grids at competitive prices. There is really no need for decentralization of grids except in third world countries where there are problems such as energy shortage etc. because utility companies have a monopoly and benefit by power outages.

But I predict that as smart grids evolve, companies like Tesla will take care of the buying/selling platform by offering something like Uber. But again that requires privatization of the grid.

And all the subsidies and incentives government provides are only to those selling and buying from the grid. They won't offer it for a private microgrid.

4. Smart Meters:
Utility companies have started providing free smart meters to its customers. What this company intends to do is use the blockchain for accounting of the electricity produced and used. But it will require customers to install separate meters which would cost a lot. Things will go wrong, and will need to be fixed.


5. Storage: Storage is currently a big issue for solar. Installing a solar system is expensive, but installing a storage system/batteries is even more expensive. Hence most of the houses that buy solar, usually do it as to only satisfy 60-70% of their electricity needs. A lot of those houses usually do not generate an excess. This means what this entire project is relying upon i.e community buying and selling is not going to be a big thing in a neighborhood. 

What I am trying to say is , that blockchain and grids is a great combination. But utility companies have already started doing and investing in it. In general there is no reason for one resident of an area to see the production/consumption of another, which means that there is no need for a decentralized electric grid system. People have meters in their home and all the data relevant to them is already transparent.

All these companies are doing great work, but I don't think a Token sale is the way to go because once the token is on an exchange, it will kill the motivation of the local resident to even participate in that purchase/sale.  What these companies need to do is find investors for a direct investment than creating an altcoin to just get more money, which I feel is the scammy part.


This project seems to be more stupid than i initially thought. A platform. Seriously ?

No one is going to be using a platform like this for another 10 years. Token will likely not be listed on an exchange, and even if it does it will go through an instant Dump.


and




Really ?

What are you going to do ? be like we didn't raise funds so here is a 1000$ platform and we are out because we didn't hit our goal and this is all we promised for the million we raised.

No way this token will even hit an exchange.
102  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] [WGR] | Wagerr | The Betting Blockchain | Bounties on: June 29, 2017, 01:37:58 PM
So how can I buy WGR? missed ICO.


Wait until it is tradable on exchanges. It should be anytime now.

It has been listed now on Waves platform with the green Tick mark we have all been waiting for. Shouldn't be long now. All thats needed now is to get Wagerr developers to pull the switch to allow withdrawals and we should all be able to trade wagerr on the waves exchange platform.
103  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: WAVES. Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: June 29, 2017, 03:00:39 AM
I was awaiting for a verification of Wagerr on the waves platform, and seems it ticks forever to get that tick mark. Can someone shed some light why is it so slow, or what are the factors that it depends on ?

I think its already been 3 days since it was listed.
104  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] [WGR] | Wagerr | The Betting Blockchain | Bounties on: June 29, 2017, 02:58:19 AM
Did I miss something? I see the WAGERR I bought in my dashboard. How do I get them to a wallet or is that possible yet?

The dashboard is your temporary wallet right now. Don't use the demo one. Wait, not too long until the real wallet turns up and surprises you. Anyone who needs to flip their Wagerr for urgent money can go to Waves.

Remember to practice the fullest security! The lengthiest password and 2F.
So, how to transfer the Wagerr token from dashboard to the waves wallet? i can't see any "send" button.

I believe they are waiting for it to be listed on the Waves exchange first with a tick mark. Only after that you will be able to send the coins to the waves wallet.

its already been 2 days for Waves to verify that. Surprised by how slow they are.
105  Economy / Services / Re: [FULL] Rollin.io Signature & Avatar Campaign on: June 28, 2017, 11:44:32 AM
Hi guitarplinker, I too seem to need a change in my address to 1DeUnnFQm9vpwHustGXQASex7rhC37wQEJ
Have sent you a message as well. Thanks!
106  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] [WGR] | Wagerr | The Betting Blockchain | Bounties on: June 27, 2017, 08:26:16 PM
What's the price for 1 WGR now?

While the coin still hasn't hit the exchanges, I do see that some of the bids on the waves platform are already at 6 cents. I am expecting it to go over 10 cents by tonight once the wallet functionality on the site is enabled.
107  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: What is happening ? = all coins down by 20 to 35 % on: June 27, 2017, 08:24:54 PM
All altcoins are actually up today after the drop over the weekend. Like people said, it was just a down on the weekend since not a lot of people trade. I put in close to 800$ on Antshares today and already profited by more than 30% in just a day.
108  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] [WGR] | Wagerr | The Betting Blockchain | Bounties on: June 26, 2017, 09:25:36 PM
I am also curious about when these will hit the Waves exchange. Looking forward to scoop some up. According to the website it said, it will happen today but I don't see them listed anywhere yet. Can the team drop in an ETA about it ?
109  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What's happening with crypto markets? on: June 26, 2017, 01:39:15 PM
I am guessing that this is just correction. You can't expect cryptos to go 10x the initial price and sustain it for long. Thats honesly not how investments or price appraisals work.

I am glad bitcoin is holding onto the current price
110  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SNC] SunContract - Decentralized Energy Market on: June 24, 2017, 06:27:29 PM
Lol, you guys who are posting only because you have their sig and want to protect your investment in it are crazy. I am not going to address anything anymore.

I don't mind how much you guys invest and lose,I was just putting the word out.
111  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: XII FREE Tipster Competition - sponsored by DirectBet (Discussion Thread) on: June 24, 2017, 04:47:02 PM
Option 1 here as well. Its the obvious choice but a lot of hurdles like other people in this thread have pointed out. Maybe once we have more details about such things, we would be able to host this sooner.
112  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SNC] SunContract - Decentralized Energy Market on: June 24, 2017, 04:45:47 PM
....


Like I mentioned in my own post a lot of things probably do not overlap but I wasn't going to spend time to cater my reply.

Utilities cannot be decentralized because of the grid infrastructure. Governments won't allow that.

Period.
You like BTC but governments don't . So better prepare SNC dice,bro.

wtf are you talking about ?
Stop being a shill and sell yourself only because you are getting paid 10 cents for posting by some company.

Apply your brain and think why I am mentioning such things over here. I would in a utility company and am sure understand what they are trying to do more than you.
113  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Incorporating a deposit system for a gambling website on wordpress on: June 24, 2017, 03:42:16 PM


I am still looking for an answer to this. I am also thinking of trying out one of the readily available dice scripts, and seeing if those scripts can help me understand the whole process. What do you guys think ?

Any suggestions are welcome.
114  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: how to attract investors (500 BTC) for new betting concept on: June 24, 2017, 03:40:34 PM
Tokens and all are not going to work. Just accept direct investments , same as sites like Justdice does.

To start with, I would sugegst put your site out there so people can have a look and see if it is worth investing in. Only then you will get investors naturally.
115  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SNC] SunContract - Decentralized Energy Market on: June 24, 2017, 03:38:39 PM
....


Like I mentioned in my own post a lot of things probably do not overlap but I wasn't going to spend time to cater my reply.

Utilities cannot be decentralized because of the grid infrastructure. Governments won't allow that.

Period.
116  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: NEXT GAME IN 8HOURs -Sportstips - Basketball/tennis/soccer🔥Wins 122- Loss 26🔥 on: June 24, 2017, 02:20:56 PM
Definitely following this game. Atlanta is a favorite to win today. Would you recommend also betting over 2.5 goals on this ? Atlanta is definitely in form and i have a feeling they will easily score 3-4 goals today.
117  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SNC] SunContract - Decentralized Energy Market on: June 23, 2017, 11:53:06 PM
Here is a post I made on another similar project. Decentralization on the grid will never work for the following reason. Some of the facts could be beyond the scope for the project, but most of them apply.

Do Not Risk a Penny on this

Here is why:
1. This is not a new idea. I work for a utility company and we have been investing billions in microgrid projects. This is exactly what it is. You create a local community / local grid, where people can support each others energy demands. The only exception here is that they are creating a decentralized buying/selling system.

BUT utility companies are never going to allow this, because it does not pay to maintain the traditional grid infrastructure.

There are already laws in place for exactly this reason, that people cannot sell their electricity to other people directly.

What this company, and other similar companies like trans active grid are doing is creating a token to make that sell-buy to get around that law(which states money isn't to be used).

Here is what will happen after. Governments will realize people are trying a way around and will BAN any asset trading that would lead to violating that law. All the money invested in these companies  and their platforms will collapse.

Utility companies in the near future will be launching microgrid systems.

2. Volatility in the Token Market:  The token that the company is selling again is not real money. They will be used in the platform they are launching, which means people will be buying and selling it ultimately leading to a market for that token on an exchange.

So if I am a person in a small society looking to participate in a decentralized energy production and buying platform, I would firstly have to buy these tokens, and then sell it to meet my real life demands.

But this  token will be traded on an exchange, the price will be volatile just like bitcoin and hence a normal person would simply not be interested in such a technology due to the price variation in the tokens. Because that could mean losing money by selling to the platform as theilr sole incentive was to be informed on who they are selling to, and getting slightly higher price than selling to utility companies.

 3. No Need for Decentralization on grid : Governments around the world buy electricity on smart grids at competitive prices. There is really no need for decentralization of grids except in third world countries where there are problems such as energy shortage etc. because utility companies have a monopoly and benefit by power outages.

But I predict that as smart grids evolve, companies like Tesla will take care of the buying/selling platform by offering something like Uber. But again that requires privatization of the grid.

And all the subsidies and incentives government provides are only to those selling and buying from the grid. They won't offer it for a private microgrid.

4. Smart Meters:
Utility companies have started providing free smart meters to its customers. What this company intends to do is use the blockchain for accounting of the electricity produced and used. But it will require customers to install separate meters which would cost a lot. Things will go wrong, and will need to be fixed.


5. Storage: Storage is currently a big issue for solar. Installing a solar system is expensive, but installing a storage system/batteries is even more expensive. Hence most of the houses that buy solar, usually do it as to only satisfy 60-70% of their electricity needs. A lot of those houses usually do not generate an excess. This means what this entire project is relying upon i.e community buying and selling is not going to be a big thing in a neighborhood. 

What I am trying to say is , that blockchain and grids is a great combination. But utility companies have already started doing and investing in it. In general there is no reason for one resident of an area to see the production/consumption of another, which means that there is no need for a decentralized electric grid system. People have meters in their home and all the data relevant to them is already transparent.

All these companies are doing great work, but I don't think a Token sale is the way to go because once the token is on an exchange, it will kill the motivation of the local resident to even participate in that purchase/sale.  What these companies need to do is find investors for a direct investment than creating an altcoin to just get more money, which I feel is the scammy part.
118  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: What is happening ? = all coins down by 20 to 35 % on: June 22, 2017, 08:36:15 PM
I feel its the hype that is not ending. Most of the altcoins are coins which now have value due to nothing. I mean seriously I consider most of them as ponzis, and none of them is every going to be replacing bitcoin. Hence the price falling is no big deal.

Even yesterday, ANT fell like 40% in value over night, just because of one bad news. That shows that there is no real value except for speculation which drives the price up or down.
119  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] [WGR] | Wagerr | The Betting Blockchain | Bounties on: June 22, 2017, 08:31:16 PM
Just saw this on the gambling section and noticed you guys filled your ICO quicker than expected. Definitely looking forward to the launch of the platform. Decentralized sportsbetting is a new trend. I am just curious, who would we be betting against if its decentralized.
120  Economy / Gambling / Re: Wagerr [WGR] the sports betting blockchain on: June 22, 2017, 08:29:23 PM
Wow you guys really got a lot of btc in for that ICO. Definitely looking forward to a game changer in the world of sportsbetting. First up, you guys definitely need to get on an exchange. Any news on when thats happening ?
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