Read the actual emails. Rees admitted it was their fault, and whitelisted me, but than said we can't "reinitiate" the transactions. Olaf on the other hand says we can reinitiate the transactions.
See what's happening here.
Right, they had already given you the money back. What, did you think you could get the cash AND the bitcoins? I did read the emails. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=328013.msg3526610#msg3526610"I was whitelisted and the original order has been reinstated at the original contract rate." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145797.0"Sorry about that! After manually reviewing your account I've whitelisted it so you shouldn't experience any additional issues going forward. I've also pushed through the transaction that was canceled previously (at the original exchange rate you locked in), so you should have those coins by the end of tomorrow." Etc. Etc. |
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and the only annexed territory of the US (state)
I think you're forgetting that the Republic of Texas would be just fine without the rest of the country. Great Economy (not to far behind California, but they got oil), huge military force. Just like California could easily engage in trade and has unrestricted ocean access. I think you're assuming the US would be on friendly terms with a "Republic of Texas". The US doesn't exactly have a history of benevolence towards foreign nations that have an abundance of oil.... |
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A cursory review of your post history shows that you two, every couple of weeks post the same shit about how this shitcoin is "set to explode buy buy buy!!!!! this time we mean it guys!!!
You're lying about my posting history!Wow, way to ignore everything I said proving all you do is try to pump your shitcoin. If you weren't so defensive, you would notice I quoted HIM, not you. And if you checked his post history you would see that he does in fact pump this shitcoin every few weeks. Don't feel bad, he got confused too where he said "I could care less about drumming up the price as indicated in the thread subject...." as if he wrote the subject, not you. It's almost as if you are working together..... |
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Brian_23452
What do you expect? BTS is still under development and they have been nothing but open and honest compared to a lot of other developers. State something besides they have missed a deadline as that's a moot point when you look at their github or even follow the progression of test nets.
In the last 6 months what significant progress has been made elsewhere? BTC? LTC?
Well I don't think that anyone has claimed BTC or LTC will triple in price in the next 45 days, I think thats a key difference. Another key difference is that both of the coins you mentioned are ALREADY fully functional and can be used for their intended purpose. There that....see if you can come up with any other differences, I bet you can! What do I expect? I guess I just expect a company I invest in to do something....ANYTHING....before asking for money. Why is it that everyone in cryptos from the devs on down expect to be paid FIRST and THEN develop a working product? Anyways, sorry, for a brief moment I thought we were looking for serious discussion on the merits of PTS. Didn't realize you guys were just trying to drum up the price so you could empty out the bag your holding. I could care less about drumming up the price as indicated in the thread subject, but how can you say they have not come up with anything? They produced PTS with it's original algorithm however more importantly look at their github and compile a working test bts wallet with ease. Really? Subject title is "Bitshares-PTS to double/triple in price in the next 45 days!!?". First line of the OP is "Bitshares has been off the radar for a bit and I wanted to let you know that it is set to explode soon!!!!" Last line of the OP is "All in all I think it is the perfect time to buy...". Everything in between is about how awesome an investment this is, how it is going to "explode" in price. And you are seriously going to claim you aren't trying to pump up the price? Forget about investing for a minute and be happy a group of people are trying to take btc tech to the next level.
I would love to forget about investing for a moment. But I can't, because virtually everything in this entire thread is you guys (guys? or maybe the same guy?) posting about buy buy buy this company. A cursory review of your post history shows that you two, every couple of weeks post the same shit about how this shitcoin is "set to explode buy buy buy!!!!! this time we mean it guys!!!!!". Move along folks, nothing to see here, just some bagholders trying to pump their shitcoin so they can dump it. |
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Right, your asking price is still roughly twice as many BTC as these things will ever mine.
Well right now no miner on the market will Roi in btc. That isn't true at all. OP is selling these things, he owns them, he can sell them for whatever price he wants, including one that ROIs. If he wants to. Taxes have nothing to do with it. Spending 4.11 BTC now to get 2.5 BTC later is simply not a good deal, no matter how you want to fudge the numbers. Anyways, I'll stop cluttering up the sale thread. OP, if you are willing to sell these things for less BTC than they will generate in their lifetime keeping in mind that you get the money up front and don't have to wait, and all risk of not getting the BTC are removed, send me a PM. If you are looking to sell these for more BTC than they will ever generate, good luck with the sale. |
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Brian_23452
What do you expect? BTS is still under development and they have been nothing but open and honest compared to a lot of other developers. State something besides they have missed a deadline as that's a moot point when you look at their github or even follow the progression of test nets.
In the last 6 months what significant progress has been made elsewhere? BTC? LTC?
Well I don't think that anyone has claimed BTC or LTC will triple in price in the next 45 days, I think thats a key difference. Another key difference is that both of the coins you mentioned are ALREADY fully functional and can be used for their intended purpose. There that....see if you can come up with any other differences, I bet you can! What do I expect? I guess I just expect a company I invest in to do something....ANYTHING....before asking for money. Why is it that everyone in cryptos from the devs on down expect to be paid FIRST and THEN develop a working product? Anyways, sorry, for a brief moment I thought we were looking for serious discussion on the merits of PTS. Didn't realize you guys were just trying to drum up the price so you could empty out the bag your holding. |
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bitcoin was never truly illegal, but by formally making it usable in california can this law be used against banks that ban customers purely for using bitcoin, with no evidence of laundering/drugs or terrorism??
meaning banks cant just ban joe public unless there is proof of illegal activities, no longer able to just shout "you use bitcoin, your banned"
In short the bill does absolutely nothing other than to prevent this never enforced, poorly written law from being enforced in the future. Your other points are correct, but I disagree with this one. It does in fact do something. It reaffirms the Government's mistaken belief that citizens need Their permission to do anything. That you do not have permission to engage in any activity without Their expressed permission. |
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Hello!
IMO every newbie to mining should start mining altcoins and study how it works and then mine BTC or any profitable coins but remember, more profit the coin is, more difficult to mine it
Kindly,
Muhammed Zakhir
When you refer to newbie, are you talking about yourself? When multicoin pools switch coins they pick the one that has a lower difficulty relative to it's price. I think you're a little confused  Yeah! Multicoin pools like eobot mine profitable coins. What I said was when you mine using your own hardware it will be difficult to mine more profitable coins like BTC & LTC as their difficulty are high and are rising now too! You misunderstood what I said.  Kindly, Muhammed Zakhir OK I understand what you meant. Yes it will be more difficult, but as long as it's the more profitable coin it's worth it. Would you climb 1 flight of stairs for $1 or 3 flights of stairs for $20? That's a nice question. But for a newbie I don't think they can afford a good miner. Without a good miner, it would be useless mining profitable coins nowadays. So I just suggested mining less profitable coins and they can buy good miners later. In this way they can get some money and they can study all thing about mining too. Kindly, Muhammed Zakhir Wait, WHAT? You're suggesting mining less profitable coins if the person doesn't have a "good" miner? Why? Why would they do that? |
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This shitcoin is still around??? Weren't they supposed to pay everyone their bitshares-x like....4 months ago or something but never did?
To be honest, I was a bit frustrated with length of time they've taken and would have liked BitShares XT tradeable earlier. However it should be worth the wait. By comparison, I have circa 50% in Bitcoin still, though I like Bitcoin, it is pretty centralised because you only have to get to two people to destroy confidence in the system at a crucial time. The confirmation times & transactions per second are excruciatingly slow hence the need for Bitpay etc. But the big one for me is that a lot of merchants let you pay in Bitcoin but transfer straight to $. BitShares X if it eventually is able to do what it says on the tin, will have a system that's more decentralised but with enough trust (knowing who will produce next block) that they can handle MasterCard/Visa volumes and process them incredibly rapidly. More importantly you will 'hopefully' be able to hold BitUSD or BitGold on a blockchain. So it's not a shitcoin, more like the - 'could change everything coin' so I guess actually you could call it 'the shit' coin The first chain will have interest payments removed and be light on features but this is the idea for those that are interested. (Buying PTS now won't get you a stake in it, you'll have to wait a few weeks till it becomes tradeable.) BitShares is a revolutionary new bank and exchange that could rival the value of the largest banks in the world such as JP Morgan and Bank of America in just a few years. How could this new upstart grow so quickly? BitShares offers a bank account that earns 5% interest where funds can be transferred in minutes anywhere in the world with more privacy and security than a Swiss bank account. Your account can never be frozen, your funds cannot be seized, and the bank can never face collapse due to loan defaults or fraud. All of this is made possible without requiring any employees, lawyers, regulatory compliance, vaults, buildings, and other infrastructure required by traditional banks. Unlike existing banks, you can hold your balance denominated in gold, silver, oil, or other commodities in additional to national currencies while earning 5% interest.
In addition to acting as a bank, BitShares also serves as an exchange where currencies, commodities, and stock derivatives can be traded with most of the features used by professional traders including shorts and options. The Bank takes a cut on every transaction and pays 100% of these transaction fees as dividends to the shareholders. BitShares can achieve this feat using the same technology that makes Bitcoin possible, irrevocable decentralized automated consensus forming. You can keep track of progress and learn more here https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?board=3.0Yea right. Every other day someone comes out with a coin that will "revolutionize everything". I won't go through all of your points one by one, suffice to say though bitshares doesn't do any of the things you say it does. Bitshares doesn't do anything, actually. None of the "revolutionary" features are active. They are all way overdue. What you have is a lot of promises from a company that has failed to deliver on a single promise. Yes there's been delays. Hence the low share price & volume. I believe BitShares XT & DPOS will be released in the next few weeks so that's one of the reasons why I believe there's a unique buying opportunity. Waiting till something's released or all features are active is safer but not as lucrative. You can see how development and testing is going here https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?board=3.0Considering the company has failed to deliver on even a single promise yet, I think it would be prudent to see them actually do *something* before throwing away money on this company. My 2 cents. |
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An idea what your budget is for these would be helpful.
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This shitcoin is still around??? Weren't they supposed to pay everyone their bitshares-x like....4 months ago or something but never did?
To be honest, I was a bit frustrated with length of time they've taken and would have liked BitShares XT tradeable earlier. However it should be worth the wait. By comparison, I have circa 50% in Bitcoin still, though I like Bitcoin, it is pretty centralised because you only have to get to two people to destroy confidence in the system at a crucial time. The confirmation times & transactions per second are excruciatingly slow hence the need for Bitpay etc. But the big one for me is that a lot of merchants let you pay in Bitcoin but transfer straight to $. BitShares X if it eventually is able to do what it says on the tin, will have a system that's more decentralised but with enough trust (knowing who will produce next block) that they can handle MasterCard/Visa volumes and process them incredibly rapidly. More importantly you will 'hopefully' be able to hold BitUSD or BitGold on a blockchain. So it's not a shitcoin, more like the - 'could change everything coin' so I guess actually you could call it 'the shit' coin The first chain will have interest payments removed and be light on features but this is the idea for those that are interested. (Buying PTS now won't get you a stake in it, you'll have to wait a few weeks till it becomes tradeable.) BitShares is a revolutionary new bank and exchange that could rival the value of the largest banks in the world such as JP Morgan and Bank of America in just a few years. How could this new upstart grow so quickly? BitShares offers a bank account that earns 5% interest where funds can be transferred in minutes anywhere in the world with more privacy and security than a Swiss bank account. Your account can never be frozen, your funds cannot be seized, and the bank can never face collapse due to loan defaults or fraud. All of this is made possible without requiring any employees, lawyers, regulatory compliance, vaults, buildings, and other infrastructure required by traditional banks. Unlike existing banks, you can hold your balance denominated in gold, silver, oil, or other commodities in additional to national currencies while earning 5% interest.
In addition to acting as a bank, BitShares also serves as an exchange where currencies, commodities, and stock derivatives can be traded with most of the features used by professional traders including shorts and options. The Bank takes a cut on every transaction and pays 100% of these transaction fees as dividends to the shareholders. BitShares can achieve this feat using the same technology that makes Bitcoin possible, irrevocable decentralized automated consensus forming. You can keep track of progress and learn more here https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?board=3.0Yea right. Every other day someone comes out with a coin that will "revolutionize everything". I won't go through all of your points one by one, suffice to say though bitshares doesn't do any of the things you say it does. Bitshares doesn't do anything, actually. None of the "revolutionary" features are active. They are all way overdue. What you have is a lot of promises from a company that has failed to deliver on a single promise. |
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I pre-ordered the bigger (originally 25Mh/s) Viper on March 29th. Paid £1,635.00 with a bank transfer. Later on, I asked for it to be downgraded, which they did by marking the first order as completed and opening a new one for the Viper (50Mh/s) on the 22nd of May. I need only to pay £26.99 for that order to be fully paid.
I don't have the C.C. protection (having paid with a bank transfer) and no idea to which date counts towards a cancellation but most likely soon out at 50% -still better than most I concede-. Because I paid with a bank transfer I'm thinking my best chance is to wait for them to fail the due date so I can start a small claims court case.
What files should I be saving to backup a small claims court case?
Edit: I'm assuming due date as the date they mention on their latest update; "...before shipment (which will begin somewhere from the 15th-31st of July)..." Legally If they e-mail that as the latest update that's the one we can point to?
Going to court is a messy job and will take out a lot of time. Better try to contact them and convince them for a full refund if you wish to cancel. One thing you should be clear from now onward is to do clear and documented communication with them. Don't send vague email or phone calls. Also don't contact them via Phone and don't settle anything via their calls to you. If they call to convince you just tell them to email or send letter with company seal and signature. Don't accept or do anything as per their non-documented instructions. Keep all your emails as it is. Keep all details of payment. If you remember phone calls and conversations note it down and it may help you when contacting and advocate. Also, allow them till July end to check whether they are keeping their words. If they are not shippinging as promised by July end take a legal opinion. I think there is some confusion here regarding the shipping schedule. Actually, the confusion is that there even is a schedule. July was just an informal thing they stated on the forums here and elsewhere. The actual contract doesn't stipulate any shipping schedule at all, and so it is impossible for them to be late per the terms of the contract. At best, the contract says they will HOPE to ship by Q2 or Q3. I.E, as late as September 30th (obviously they missed Q2 already). Even then though, it doesn't state they will for sure ship in September, just that they hope to. Now, I am not familiar enough with UK law to say for sure, but if their law is anything like US law, this thing will NOT end in a bankruptcy. I don't even thing you guys will succeed in getting a judgement against them. Fact is, they haven't violated any of the terms of the contract at all. And even if they did, there are those two pesky clauses in there that let them a. Change the terms at any time B. not be held liable for anything that goes wrong, INCLUDING a willful violation of the contract on their part. So unless the parts of the contract can be stricken because they are illegal, I just don't see it happening without a very difficult court battle. I imagine if things ever got really bad they could throw together some 100 dollar gridseed units or whatever, ship them out, and call it a day (remember the part of the contract that says the specs can change at any time). If you paid with a credit card of course this doesn't matter, since you will file for a charge back and claim fraud, or whatever you have to say to get your money back. Ive been saying all along that the lack of a credit card processor was not a mistake on their part but intentional, and this is why. |
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Right, your asking price is still roughly twice as many BTC as these things will ever mine.
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I think it showed that bitcoin still is the king and will be for a while, and that none of the Scrypt coins are interesting enough to justify his enormous hash rate that the asics are making. don't get me wrong, I am not saying LTC is crap, on the contrary, i believe in it, but i don't think it has enough market usage to justify such a huge difficulty, so in a way, yes the entering of the scrypt asics to the scene are damaging LTC. my money is on VTC right now  i would love to hear other opinions. Couldn't disagree more. The fact is, there is simply little reason for more then one crypto to be in use. When you cut through all the hype, and all the bullshit (look, our coin has a great community, or a video game built into the wallet, or whatever shit people are hyping at the moment), at the end of the day what matters is acceptance. Can the coin actually be used as a currency? For the vast majority of coins, the answer is no, and so they are ultimately worthless. They start out having some value because speculators hope they will be the one in a million that breaks out like BTC did, and then when they don't, they decline in value. A currency you can't buy things with doesn't have much use. And we all know that there is barely enough acceptance for one coin, let alone several hundred. It's nice to pretend that all the bullshit that is built into coins these days is important, but can you buy anything with it? No? Then gtfo. It's a little like a social media platform in that regard. You can have the best one in the world, but at the end of the day, people are going to use the one their friends are all using. ASICS don't really have anything to do with this process except to accelerate the inevitable. |
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Is it just me or did the introduction of scrypt asics actually make scrypt coins less valuable  Why would you have expected any different? Scrypt in general have been declining in value the entire year, lead by litecoin. Anyways, to the OP, I would imagine most of the people purchasing scrypt asics aren't actually purchasing them, but manufacturing them. Think companies like gridseed. And then too people who can purchase them for substantially less than full retail price. If you can get them for anything less than about half the prevailing retail rate they are profitable. |
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Bitshares has been off the radar for a bit and I wanted to let you know that it is set to explode soon!!!! First off Bitshares-PTS is an angel fund that will get you a stake in a lot of DAC's, the first one Bitshares X (Which is a bank and exchange that will also help you hold the value of a $ or gold in a decentralised way) is in advanced testing and is being released soon. https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5250.0 - That has already been allocated but it is looking fantastic and will bring a lot of attention to Bitshares-PTS. There are snapshots coming up that will get you good stakes in some great companies, Bitshares Music, Bitshares DNS & Bitshares Lottery just to name a few. Personally my favourite is Bitshares music it's going to be like Hollywood Stock Exchange but real and for music, where artists can sell shares in their songs/albums and you get a proceed of their sales, it even looks like some labels may be interested so you may even be able to buy shares in artists revenue from other sources too. They've got a great guy with loads of industry experience. The other big reasons are - -You can get a stake in Bitshares through Bitshares-AGS but only for the next 25 days, when this closes the only way will be Bitshares-PTS. (So all the demand for AGS will be re-directed to PTS, right now BTC/PTS volume is very low so any increased demand will shoot up price imo!) http://www1.agsexplorer.com/- The Bitshares-AGS donation rate will probably increase substantially in the last 10-15 days, driving up demand for Bitshares-PTS, too. (You can get AGS buy donating BTC or PTS so more people donating PTS in the last days means increased demand.) - DPOS their new system to rival POW and POS will be released in the next few weeks and is currently in advanced testing. --------- All in all I think it is the perfect time to buy, what do you guys think of Bitshares? This shitcoin is still around??? Weren't they supposed to pay everyone their bitshares-x like....4 months ago or something but never did? |
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Incidentally, people like you are precisely why every company has a small percentage of customers who are not happy. You have clearly decided they are trying to f you over, and you have also made it clear that there is nothing they can do to change that opinion, so why would they even try?
As the saying goes, "the customer is always right. but the business decides who is a customer"...
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Obviously, if Coinbase is allowing transactions to go through when BTC goes down in value, and not allowing transactions to go through when BTC goes up in value, that would be scammy. With that said, I am not at all convinced that they do, and OP has offered no evidence to back up his accusation. Coinbase has over 630,000 customers. Almost all of which are happy and satisfied, but the small percentage that aren't happy or satisfied, has taken a HUGE hit. We're not talking about $5, we're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars. This "anti-fraud" "high risk transaction" algorithm that coinbase has is nothing more than an algorithm (if it's event that) made to put extra money in the pockets of the owners.
Obviously, every single organization in existence of any appreciable size has some amount of customers that are not happy. This is life. How do I know this? Common sense.
Ah, common sense. This is one of those things someone says when they make a wild assertion, but don't have any proof. If they had proof, they would provide it. Since they don't, they just claim it is common sense. Your claim it is large orders that this happens to, but then the list you provide has a lot of tiny orders on it. Like one for 60ish dollars. Really? a 60 dollar transaction is the one they chose to defraud? That's common sense? Once a customer has verified their bank account and initiated a buy transaction, right than and there the algorithm should kick in to detect if it is "high risk" or not. NOT 2 weeks later when the money has been taken out of the person's bank account (and then ultimately returned back to the person's bank account bc it is "high risk"). That is why there is a verification process to make sure the registered customer owns the bank account. During those 1 - 2 weeks, coinbase is in control and can do whatever at will. Common sense would tell you that NO credit processor can detect fraud instantly. That's the whole point of the 1-2 week delay. I would assume the algorithm is used to flag transactions for follow up, but I don't know for sure. What I do know is, no creditor in existence can instantly tell if a transaction is fraudulent. "common sense" tells you if that were possible, there would be no fraudulent transactions! You can rectify everything by showing that "anti-fraud algorithm" for the experts to take a look at. But who knows, you might have already covered your tracks.
That's cute. You say they can rectify this situation by showing you the algorithm, and then just to cover your tracks just in case they do show you, you say they may have covered their tracks. So basically you have decided they are frauds, and no amount of evidence will deter you. Got it. Incidentally, why would they show people who they obviously think are frauds, their anti fraud algorithm? Would that be "common sense"? Now about that list you provided. There is one key piece of information you failed to give. And that is, are those transactions fraudulent? They refused to process those requests because they flagged them as fraudulent (which, just so we are clear, if they process them knowing they are fraud they are now committing a crime). Maybe, jsut maybe, this isn't some great big conspiracy to defraud you, but those transactions are actually.....fraudulent? |
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Between now and 6 months from now when the contract ends, each of these will have mined around 2.5 to 2.75 bitcoins, give or take, and will have almost nothing left (maybe .5bitcoins if you run it until the end of time which you can't do because of electricity costs). And for that you are charging 5.25ish bitcoins. Now, maybe your prices are competitive, whatever that means, but obviously paying 5.25BTC now to get 2.5BTC later is a bad deal. So with that said, I'll offer 2BTC.
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I'm looking for suggestions in regards to the premine and its use for supporting Quatloos.
Well you could get it listed on an exchange. bittrex is the one adding coins most often, and i believe ipominer has a good relationship with them I just read this on irc in #ipominer <InsertNameHere> is Quatloo on an exchange? <jimlite> Not yet, I'm working on it. ps: i have no idea who jimlite is Yes, if Ipo is mining it (they are) then it will eventually end up on bittrex. But he also mentioned mintpal, which I think you pretty much have to pay them to get listed. So yea he asked what he could spend the premine on to support the coin, I think if he has nothing else at the moment to spend it on that would be a good investment. |
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