Ive really tried hard as I can not to post the truth about what happened between GenTarkin and I. But as I watch TXSTEVE and Gentarkin tell lies I have no choice but to tell the truth and set the record straight. Its a very long story, but I will try to make it as short as possible.
On August 1st 2015. I began looking for someone to do custom work on the KNCminer image. I offered a .5 BTC bounty. GenTarkin responded and asked what I needed and I told him. He did the work and I paid him.
We started to talk and he said he had been putting together a modified firmware for the community. He was in shock that someone would actually pay him .5 btc for his work. I tried to tell him at that time that he was very talented, and that he was worth much more. So on a daily basis we would talk, and I had mentioned to him many times that his donation version was not paying him enough AND that community wanted more regular updates. Gentarkin said he enjoyed the work and that he would just work on it when he had time. I tried to convince him that he could put some real time into this and develop an amazing product and get paid for it. He would NOT listen. So, I came up with an idea , and I said look, why dont you put out a premium and charge $50 and remove the donation. He said well "no one will pay $50 for this". Over the next few weeks I kept on talking about the idea of a paid premium version. FINALLY he decided to do it. Frankly I think it was to just "shut me up". So a couple of weeks goes by and he starts getting people to pay him for his premium version. I asked him if I could list it on Ebay, and he said yes. He never asked me for any money. We got talking about Ebay , and he said well, I dont really care about Ebay because I doubt people will pay for it anyway. So he wasnt really interested in a cut of the money. BUT, I realized within a few days that this was going to be a hot seller, and I came to him and said "Hey I need to pay you, your cut". Gentarkin said "what cut? You never promised anything from Ebay". I said "look, its making fast sales, I know you didnt agree to a cut but its the right thing to do". So , I started sending him a cut from every single sale, because I felt that was right. This can be confirmed by Gentarkin. Next I said well, I should post this on my site and generate traffic and sales there, and his attitude was "well, ya, I suppose". He didnt seem to realize the business end of things. I started to realize that Gentarkin was an incredibly talented coder, and the best there is as far as this firmware goes, but he had ZERO business sense. But I looked at it and thought well, after running multiple businesses for 20 years, I can help him take this thing to a new level. So sales were doing VERY well on EBay. I created my page for the premium software, and optimized it for search engines, so it was on page 1 for every Kncminer titan firmware search term you can think of. We were getting a 1000 visitors a MONTH (Gentark will confirm), and doing VERY well. Gentarkin was getting paid within the hour of the sale, and because the site was mine, I would have to answer a few hindered emails a month with questions, which he never even knew about because I was making money and he was too, so it didnt bother me.Most days, sales were good. But then Gentarkin started to complain ANY day there was not one sale. This was every day we would go without a sale, he would email me and complain. I have loads of them still I can post to prove. So, I started looking at it and I said "You need to remove the free version from the githib". WHY would ANYONE buy something when they can get it for free. He did NOT understand this concept. He held his ground and said "The free version stays on the github". So, as the weeks past , he would complain any day there was not a sale. So I responded every day and told him you MUST remove that free version, its killing our sales. So he had a free version, EXACT same software, I mean IDENTICAL, and then he wanted me to sell the same software for $50, and I actually did quite well. So as the weeks went on I begged him to remove the free version from the github, and he FINALLY did, but I still dont think he understood why. I think he just wanted me to stop asking him. So as things progressed and the sales became better and better we began to chat almost hourly, we would discuss ideas. Then as the months went on, I realized that we had discussed so many ideas and not 1 of them he implemented. I got upset and I asked him. I said "why do we talk every single day about ideas for months, and you dont even implement even 1 of mine, why are we wasting time like this?". I said I dont care about the money, but show me some respect after discussing all of these ideas, and atleast implement a small one. Months past, and we continued to talk multiple times a day about all these ideas for the frimware. Not one of my ideas he would implement. In fact, he would shut down ANY idea I had approached him with in about 10 seconds flat. So, finally I told him, "look stop discussing ideas with me, because you get me excited that this or that idea will get implemented and you have not ONCE implemented any of my ideas. You make me feel like I am a big part of this project, but your actions tell me Im not. Your actions prove it. Then you ask my opinion on an idea, and the ones that I say I dont like you implement anyway. So I had to rethink my place. My place was to generate sales for us, and answer any/all email questions to customers, and make sure they received their firmware as fast as I could get it to them. Things were going really well, and we were making a lot of money, then in mid-late December 2015 he was going away on vacation. I wished him well, and everything was fine. Now meanwhile Im running the business and doing everything, AND sending his cut to him automatically while he is away. Then on December 29th 2015 , a hidden unannounced website that NOBODY knew about was discovered.
http://gentarkincustomtitan.pcriot.com/? Everyone called scam , because NOBODY knew about it. I talked to Gentarkin MULTIPLE times a day and he NEVER mentioned it ONCE.
Now get this:
The website was registered in NOVEMBER 2015!!!
We are chatting like best friends for weeks, and he NEVER mentioned this website to ANYONE?!?!?! Someone found it!! He NEVER announced it!! WHY!?!?!?!? Wouldnt you want EVERYONE to know about your website?!?!
The website was registered in NOVEMBER 2015 , when everything was fine.
So I thought "well, dont draw any conclusions, I ask Gentarkin about this". So I asked him about it, and he said "Well, it was never really going to be anything, I just made it for a backup". I said "backup?" He said ya, you know, if something should happen between me and you. He said "I got a little scared that time you were upset because I wasnt putting any of your ideas into the firmware". He said "while we are on the subject, "can I get a copy of the customer database with all of their emails?" I said "It sounds like your getting rid of me, why?". Have I not takeng this project to new heights you couldnt even dream of? Have I EVER, been dishonest with you , even ONCE, in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM?" He said "No, you have been totally honest, always". I said "then why are you getting rid of me?". He said "Im not getting rid of you, I just need that customer information". I said "no, you dont get to throw me away like trash, Ive been good to you. I said "even though you did the coding, I still busted my but handling all of these transactions, and email questions and marketing" on a daily basis. I said "I get it, now Ive shown you how much money you can make and how, you dont need me anymore!!".
So thats where we ended. He started when I met him by giving his software away for free. I taught him how much money he could make , and how to do it. He decided he could make more now that he knew how and cut me out. That is what this is all about.
Here is our conversation the last couple of days we talked on messenger:
Here is absolute proof, he planned to throw me away like trash right before the release of the biggest update ever, that would make the most money:
gentarkin: well in regards to if I wanted you gone before I release it (Talking about the autotune version)... its not like its unfair, youve been paid for all that testing lol =P
gentarkin: but thats besides the point, just wanted to say its not real unfair[/size]2:39:41 PM Vegasguy: so this is about money?
2:40:04 PM Vegasguy: You know this software will be a hot seller and you want max profits?
2:40:24 PM gentarkin: well honestly, I would like to handle sales through my siste because ... I really should be handling the money anyways and paying people as I see fit its kinda backwards how its set up now
2:40:24 PM Vegasguy: That just floors me
2:41:00 PM Vegasguy: You always talked about how many people are shitty and go behind your back , in crypto
2:41:09 PM Vegasguy: How IRONIC
2:41:22 PM Vegasguy: I have NEVER wronged you
2:41:29 PM Vegasguy: in any way shape or form
2:41:40 PM Vegasguy: You said money doesnt influence you
2:41:43 PM Vegasguy: and it IS!!
2:41:46 PM gentarkin: ok ok , I get it u keep saying that lol
2:41:56 PM Vegasguy: So why do you want me gone?
2:42:02 PM Vegasguy: Give me a REAL reason
2:42:17 PM Vegasguy: Ive stopped pushing you
2:42:31 PM Vegasguy: Ive stopped asking for my ideas to be implemented
2:42:46 PM Vegasguy: Man, if the roles were reversed..youd be DEVISTAED!!
2:43:01 PM gentarkin: not necissarily
2:43:13 PM Vegasguy: You would think " ohh well, just another scammer , thats fucked me over agaian
2:43:30 PM Vegasguy: I would never DREAM of doing this to you
2:43:34 PM gentarkin: not when theres reason for that person to question my trust initially lol
2:43:55 PM Vegasguy: I dont understand
2:44:12 PM Vegasguy: Ive never done anything wrong to you
2:44:15 PM gentarkin: dude
2:44:19 PM Vegasguy: not one time
Vegasguy: Honestly man, there is no reason for a second site.
3:39:00 PM Vegasguy: and frankly
3:39:04 PM Vegasguy: Im feeling sick
3:39:06 PM gentarkin: Im writing up all the reasons
3:39:07 PM gentarkin: lol
3:39:20 PM Vegasguy: I really am. Im sad
3:39:30 PM Vegasguy: but its ok
3:39:38 PM Vegasguy: Im not even mad
3:39:44 PM gentarkin: why are you sad over switching sites but being just as large a part of the project?
3:39:46 PM Vegasguy: Im hurt
3:40:05 PM Vegasguy: so Ill cooperate with you
3:40:14 PM Vegasguy: just tell me what you want.
3:40:25 PM Vegasguy: and Ill go.
3:40:32 PM Vegasguy: I wish you the best
3:40:37 PM gentarkin: huh
3:40:40 PM gentarkin: I told you
3:40:42 PM gentarkin: already what I want!
3:40:54 PM Vegasguy: for me, its too messy
3:41:00 PM gentarkin: what is?
3:41:15 PM Vegasguy: and I feel like you dont trust me, and I have been 100% true to you
3:41:28 PM Vegasguy: not even 99%
3:41:41 PM Vegasguy: so for now I think I need to be with my wife
3:41:45 PM gentarkin: ok
3:41:46 PM Vegasguy: Im not mad
3:42:06 PM gentarkin: have fun =)
3:42:10 PM gentarkin: w/ ur wife
3:42:11 PM gentarkin: lol
3:42:23 PM Vegasguy: ya..its real funny.
So here I am , Im sad, and I tell him that Ive got it figured out that he is just kicking me to the curb to keep all profits, and
I am sad and hurt, and his response "lol"..
Our final words:
10:32:25 AM Vegasguy: I do want to talk to you. But I just cant get upset again today.
10:32:37 AM gentarkin: ok
10:32:42 AM Vegasguy: Im wondering if I we should leave this for a few days
10:32:54 AM Vegasguy: I was devastated yesterday.
10:33:22 AM Vegasguy: Its been a long time since Ive been hurt that bad
10:33:58 AM Vegasguy: The reason is I sorround myself with good, ethical, honest people that have my back, and I have theirs
10:34:18 AM Vegasguy: Im having a good day so far
10:34:27 AM Vegasguy: I just dont want to ruin it again
10:34:44 AM Vegasguy: We will conclude this I just need a little time
10:35:15 AM gentarkin: okies
10:35:21 AM Vegasguy: cool man.
10:35:26 AM Vegasguy: Thanks for understanding
10:35:51 AM Vegasguy: Ill figure out a way we can part fairly
10:36:02 AM Vegasguy: and Ill get over it
10:36:30 AM Vegasguy: Ive been told in my life many times over.. "you care tooo much"
10:36:52 AM Vegasguy: even though I come off aggressive.. its bacause I care sooo much
10:37:09 AM Vegasguy: If I didnt care.. I wouldnt say anything
10:37:40 AM Vegasguy: So Ill try to somehow make it quick and peaceful
10:37:56 AM Vegasguy: Its still gonna suck, but I see no way around that
10:38:31 AM Vegasguy: Im not talking about money either.
10:38:54 AM Vegasguy: I could care less about that. Only that you always got your cut, and as fast as possible.
10:39:03 AM Vegasguy: so let me figure something out
10:39:07 AM Vegasguy: Ebay..
10:39:12 AM Vegasguy: what happends with that?
10:39:25 AM Vegasguy: Thats part of the equasion
10:39:38 AM Vegasguy: We never discussed that
10:40:38 AM Vegasguy: an idea.... I can forward my website to yours.. I keep all ebay, you keep all money from websites
10:41:01 AM Vegasguy: That way you dont have to deal with me, and I wont bother you
10:41:13 AM gentarkin: Im not sure, sounds like ur wanting to just leave the project ... so if thats what you want.... we can discuss that later
Vegasguy: Do you now understand why I was on your ass to drop the free version almost every single day?
10:50:15 AM Vegasguy: Do you see it now?
10:50:42 AM Vegasguy: Admit it or not.. I have been an enormous influence on the financial end of this project
10:51:11 AM Vegasguy: Remember whos idea it was to put it on Ebay?10:51:38 AM Vegasguy: Ive been the driving force behind the financial end of this
10:51:58 AM Vegasguy: So if you want. Ill close Ebay and my site, and leave you to it
10:52:06 AM gentarkin: I get it, and uve been compensated for everything uve put into the project thus far .... so Im not sure why ur so against the idea of relinquishing sales control back to me =/
10:52:21 AM Vegasguy: You have your site
10:52:33 AM Vegasguy: I will close that area of my site
10:52:36 AM Vegasguy: and close ebay
10:52:37 AM Vegasguy: there
10:52:46 AM Vegasguy: ALL control is yours
10:52:54 AM Vegasguy: have at it
10:52:54 AM gentarkin: lol what happened to thinking on his a couple days?
10:53:06 AM Vegasguy: Im ..
10:53:28 AM Vegasguy: I think at this point Im going to leave you to it
10:53:34 AM gentarkin: if u do decide to close sites can I please get a list of emails?10:53:34 AM Vegasguy: I wont bother you
10:53:52 AM Vegasguy: Really, THATS what you care about?
10:53:57 AM Vegasguy: Are you serious?
10:54:08 AM gentarkin: well if u wanna walk away
10:54:11 AM Vegasguy: That tells me everything
10:54:14 AM gentarkin: I need to be able to hande current customers...
10:54:32 AM Vegasguy: You just told me everything that you really care about
10:54:36 AM Vegasguy: and its not me
10:54:37 AM gentarkin: no i didnt rofl
10:54:57 AM gentarkin: it sounds like u want to just leave ... I didnt tell you
10:55:00 AM gentarkin: so if you leave can I get that list? I need to support the customers
Vegasguy: man, do your thing bro. I have never been so shit on in all my life
To conclude.
Here is me telling him how much I cared, and how hurt I was that he setup a hidden website behind my back in preperation of getting rid of me. I tell him im hurt, I feel shit on, his response: if u do decide to close sites can I please get a list of emails?That one sentence told me everything. It expained the "hidden website, and what he was planning to do for months. Talking to me every day like best buddies for weeks, not ONCE telling me about that website. WHY??!?!
Remember this line if you want to know who is unethical, and WHO sold out for money:
Here is absolute proof, he planned to throw me away like trash right before the release of the biggest update ever, that would make the most money:
gentarkin: well in regards to if I wanted you gone before I release it (Talking about the autotune version)... its not like its unfair, youve been paid for all that testing lol =P
gentarkin: but thats besides the point, just wanted to say its not real unfairThats when I said screw it, Ill post the new version on my site and Ebay. Its open source. Anyone can fork the code and sell it.
The message to Gentarkin was "If it wasnt for me, you would not have made that chunk of cash. You would still be doing work on the firmware in your spare time, and giving it away for free, because that is all you knew. Even after I explained the business side to you over and over again, you just didnt get it. Your motivation skyrocketed and you worked harder than ever before when you started making a nice profit. This was beneficial to the customers and to you (in a much better quality product, and frequency of updates". NONE of this would have happened if I would not have guided you". Now you know how to earn money , you dont need me anymore, and wanted to throw me away like a piece of trash, and I was one of about 2 people in your entire life that was 100% true to you, and you sold me out for more profit. In the future, youll think twice about shitting on those that have been 100% true to you for the sake of money. Enjoy your 100% cut that you so badly wanted".
Customers : When I was involved in this project there was updates every 3-4 days. Now, notice since I left the project 6 weeks ago, there has not even been 1 update. I WAS the "driving force" behind this project. It was dead when I arrived, it came to life while I was here, and it died the day I left. Coincidence?
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