well I'm up 0.0047 btc , but can't judge it since I don't count it as a main investment and I keep investing and divesting so I have no exact numbers about ROI
the thing is that I store the bitcoins that I use for sportsbetting with yolodice so I count their investment tab as a wallet more than investment
for me it's better than leaving the spare btc in my own wallet , the profits from investing should be more than the fees I spend cause their fee is 4K satoshis per withdrawal most of the times

so what I'm sure about is that it's way better to invest in a casino that leaving the coins in your wallet , as long as the site is trusted of course
yeah I used to invest in crypto games but their bankroll is now way bigger than what people usually wager , so the profits are really small and as I stated the whole point of me investing in yolodice is just to treat it as my gambling wallet since they have instant withdrawals with low fees

OP has been updated with the following stats :

Site                                                              Picks Followed                                Profit (units)             in Euros

Betting-analyst (horse elite)                                    237                                               -12.955            -323.875               (stopped tracking)

bookie insiders  ( soccer tips)                                   247                                         +13.139              +312.373

bookie insiders  (tennis tips )                                    92                                              -13.748              -343.700              (stopped tracking)

degen signals    ( free picks  )                                    79                                          -1.836                 -45.900

tipstersclub       (alcuni )                                            12                                          +3.150                  +15.750           

tipstersclub       ( Basten )                                          117                                        -30.530                -300.530          
 
tipstersclub       ( MCee )                                            74                                          -9.666                  -48.330          
 
tipstersclub         ( Houdini )                                       47                                          -21.588                -101.679

tipstersclub         (IrishAssasin)                                 143                                              +1.267              -24.921       ( Stopped Tipping )

tipstersclub           ( Record )                                       71                                          +28.243              +245.945          ( Stopped tracking )

tipstersclub           ( Ardeal )                                       305                                         -146.807             -843.826           
  
tipstersclub          ( DaveBets)                                      32                                          -12.259              -122.590                        

Joca97                  ( Free tips )                                   129                                          +7.572                +75.720
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1002400.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881042.0

Wadster                ( premium picks )                            84                                          +52.960            +1,413.410

Wadster                 ( Free Picks )                                  68                                          +34.102             +342.932
 
Punting4Profit       ( premium racing )                          199                                          +55.011           +1,192.340

BitcoinSupremo     ( free picks )                                     4                                             -0.378               -3.780

BuySportsPicks.net   ( soccer )                                       5                                             -3.000               -30.000

BuySportsPicks.net    ( CSGO )                                      10                                            +8.844              +88.440

Enigma Betting          (  racing )                                    453                                           -4.956              -486.931   ( Stopped Tracking )

Tipstrr      ( Lucky 7s , Gentleman ,Low Blow, MAGA)     513                                           +77.231          +1,491.839

premium tipsters       ( premium twitter )                       16                                             -15.720              -157.200   ( Stopped Tracking )

Ron Williams Tips      ( premium racing )                        60                                              +7.167           +143.340    ( Stopped Tracking )

Elite Bet Syndicate    ( premium racing )                         21                                              -2.929             -73.225     ( Stopped Tracking  )
  
Damir                      ( premium soccer )                          16                                                -1.962             -53.370

Tipstrr    ( Top Rated Jumps , Tips , Value )                       85                                                +75.971          +1,951.055

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WHAT A WEEEEEEK !!! around 2400 euros profit for last week and I'm at another all time high profit with my journey
a massive thank you to wadster and Irishassasin for telling me about Top Rated Jumps , another great tipster is added to the list and his last 12 months ROI is insane
followed him for only 85 picks so far and ended having around 90% ROI with these picks 

obviously I ran above average but this guy have high volume horse racing tips with high ROI , so my expectation would be high for him and I guess he is the one that will be the star of this thread since he has high ROI and high volume 
so to be honest I'm totally relying on Top Rated Jumps , Irish Assasin ( tipstrr 4 accounts , Wadster and Punting4profit since they all have over 10% ROI which is so damn hard to achieve with other sports

so as I stated few days ago I added again 5 tipsters from tipstersclub , I really like the style of MCee and Davebets but Ardeal and Basten needs to prove that they can really be profitable
numbers aren't good at all to be honest for these 2 guys , taking Ardeal as an example his  stats from the last 1584 picks is -3.171% ROI with -318 units profit
his recommended bankroll is 500 units so you can see that a follower of him since the beginning would had lost over 60% of the bankroll + subscription fee which isn't low btw comparing it with the other guys that I follow with amazing stats

but due to respect to his old stats with bookieinsiders I will follow him with stop loss at -250 units , I won't risk more than that with him since I'm not anymore sure that he can really profit longrun since we already have a big sample of over 1000picks yielding negative
also I will only follow the picks that I can find the odds for it , for example if he tips something at X2.34 and I find it at X2.33 I won't bet that bet even the odds difference is so small

also after checking the numbers I found that I lost less Euros with him and that's what you can see if you compare this update with the last one I made , the units lost are the same but I did a wrong calculation with how much Euros lost

that's it for this week and hopefully I will have many more weeks to come like this , in case you want to follow some of the guys I follow well now you already have some good numbers to choose
focus on the bolded ones in OP since they are the most that I trust and they are all great tipsters , you should be profiting with these more than the other tipsters that I follow


also once I reach 5000 euros profit i will do another giveway same as the last one I made , to be eligible to win you should only have one constructive post in this thread and that's it   

yeah but I haven't said that I don't want to bet with mbet , it's still a unique site that offers something that others here don't
I'm just wishing that the site will improve more as I do with all the sites that I bet with , and really hoping to see the site traders bringing better odds day after day

as I said I already know many fiat punters that are willing to join when the odds are a little bit more  competitive

if you like it and know the risks then it's all ok to try it , personally I can't trust such sites with even small amounts
what do you like about them in general ? I mean why to play with them when you can play with legit sites like americascardroom for example ?

but how you can trust such sites ?? what's preventing the clubs owners from running away with the money ??
there is no single reason for people to trust such sites , they aren't even developing a web client or software

the whole thing looks suspicious to be honest and I won't recommend risking it with them

yeah through the exchange and I do count the net odds after the 3% fee on winnings , still odds there are better always or let's say 99% of the times
but in general even if we compare the odds with the odds comparison sites you can see that mbet is nowhere near the site that offers the highest odds

I just want the site to be better as everyone here wants , but still can't complain since it's up to users to bet with you or not

personally I'm an investor in yolodice ( I just treat it as my gambling savings wallet where I send profits from sportsbetting )
I always use the highest leverage which is X10 , this should generate more profit than normal leverage
it increases the risk as well but since we are investing on +EV business we should be more than fine with high leverage and as you can see the majority people there have X10 leverage

as Darkstar stated mbet and fairlay are the only ones that offer racing for now , and I can't recommend fairaly cause liquidity is really small there and the odds are way much lower than other sites
Betking had some UK races in the past but they removed them but maybe they add the races again in the coming days

what i strongly recommend is creating a betfair and matchbook accounts with asianconnect88.com , your money there will be in Euros but they take bitcoin as a payment method and there is around 0.25% fee for deposits and withdrawals ( its not a direct fee but for example you deposit bitcoin at 5500 euros price they tell you that the price is 5475 )

I can tell only about UK and IRE races , there is a big room for improvement and wish you can go for it
the thing is that I never find any horse with you with higher odds than betfair , I do find sometimes that you have the same price on betfair and these are the times that I bet with you

I do like that you have EW cause the liquidity for EW on betfair is dead in the morning and that's what I like the most about mbet

can't complain about it cause I do like mbet the way it's now , I wish you will have higher odds than fiat sites since improvement is always welcome and I'm sure that I will bring a lot of horse punters to your site

I introduced someone and he didn't like the odds , he is a profession Irish racing punter but for me since I have access only to betfair exchange and mbet I really can't complain

why you don't post here publicly ?? is it another club that uses app or software  that were created to be a play money game ?
cause that was the case in the past with many people here talking about asian poker rooms where the games were being hosted by a play money app

for some reason site isn't opening for me , but in general I have seen some such style on twitter where there are some apps that provide stats and people bet against the favor
not sure about this betting style but since it relies on betting right before the race where the liquidity is big it doesn't suit me at all
it can be less swingy but should be less rewarding as well , at the moment I follow 3 horse racing guys that are really doing good bu betting winner or EW but may start digging for new style in the coming days

are you totally new to bitcointalk and bitcoin in general ? cause back in my early days I used to really believe that such sites can make me profit
in general there are tons of such sites and reporting every single one of them is really hard , still only newcomers are the ones who put money in these sites so in general we should spread awareness about ponzis in general instead of reporting the sites

the links leads to a homepage with cex.io , not sure if it's like an affiliated link or just trying to collect people login to cex
in general when you win something there is no single legit site that will tell you to deposit money , they may require you to retweet a tweet , post in the forums ...etc but they don't ask for money so they give you money 

mind sharing more about what happened exactly and how you won that 1000$ ?

just a quick update , Ardeal ( owner of tipsters club ) message me yesterday on Twitter and asked me join again for 3 months
he promised that that he and other 4 tipsters from TC will start providing way better tips than before , and it's like a challenge for them to clear up the name since they all yielded me negative result

Ardeal is a good tipster I can't deny that , his stats are still up in bookieinsiders and you can see that he used to do way so good
I was frustrated by his last performance and to be honest I feel like he changed the way he tipped in the past , now I can see low variance picks that have decent odds unlike the past where he tipped a lot of tie breaks , outright and long shots
also he will be using mostly asian bookies ( pinnacle , sbo , betfair and matchbook ) and that's amazing since you can access these all over the world ( except USA ) and they don't limit winners

so tracing have been resumed to the followin tipsters : Ardeal , Basten , DaveBets , Alcuni and MCee ( who took JPP's place )

let's see how these 3 months will end 

yeah I know that odds fluctuate a lot , especially on Syria's last game where odds went for X1.83 Syria ML to X1.68 in just one hour 
but since I'm part of Damir's premium group most likely I received the pick before he posted it here and the odds weren't that high , and since he track for his premium plays I'm 100% sure that he should insert the odds that he got at the time that he sent the pick to his premium subscribers

and do you really believe that they will pay you once you send them 0.02 btc ??
just please use your brain , in case you actually have real money with them and they count it as real money then why on earth they will ask you to send 0.02 btc instead of them deducting that amount from your balance ??

does this really make any sense to you ??

do people really buy this shit
you have 9.7 BTC in a site that nobody heard of and you need to pay a site 0.02 BTC so they can activate your account while you are already have 9.7 BTC stuck there
yeah totally sounds legit !!!

don't count on these , I have tons of them ( most are on Arabic ) and you can't just rely on them
they can be extremly helpful but you can't totally count on them , what I do is that I use them just to get notifications about good entries and I decide if I will join the trade or not
so basically you need to study trading then use these channels just to get alerts in case these traders find something good , but you are the one who should decide if they are really giving a good trade or not

if you are interested in the Arabic ones I can pm you
here are some one on english that I personally use :

https://t.me/bitmexlifestyle
https://t.me/tradingcryptocoach

as I said don't fully rely on them , just study the trade that they post and analyse it by yourself cause sometimes they post good trades but you need to be responsible for that

they benefit anyways by either bringing more volume to the trades that they are in or by taking subscription money ( in case they are paid )

Syria's last game was a complete joke and costed me around 250 euros , I was expecting a 3 goals difference win by Syria but the game was just horrible
the current coach is still trying new players but he did way so many wrong choices in the last game and people here are saying that the last game was the worst one that Syria played in the last 10 years

we were expecting to see Gabriel Alsomi for the first time with Syria , but the coach decided to never even let him in for few minutes
some rumors are saying that Gabriel is sad now since this is the 4th time that the coach invites him without even letting him participate for few minutes

last game was really bad and people here are really angry , not just because of the loss but because Syria may lost some good young names that won't be participate in the future due to coach treating them bad

anyways glad that you are following Syria , there are tons of money to be made by betting on them
in WC qualification stages I won all my bets on Syria due to bookies really under-estimating the team

I noticed that you inserted the last tip odds as X1.94 on your bettin.gs account while when you sent the premium picks on email the odds was X1.83 
was that a mistake or what ? you should insert the odds that you sent to your premium followers or am I wrong ?