Well, there is a thing called solidarity and I'm happy to pay for saving the lives of other people. Of course I'm expecting the same when I'm in trouble. I know there are parasites in the system but at least our parasites are parasites in need, and not parasites like the insurance companies what only want to make money from our troubles.
But that is not taxing. That is charity what you described. You give volutarly money to a starving child or whatever people in trouble. Taxing is theft (or even armed robbery if they send thugs after you). And 90% of the money goes into corrupt politician or bankster hands, and only 10% may or may not get there through bureocracy. If you remove the force from taxation, then its not taxation anymore, it's social charity, and i`m sure many people would pay into that. It's just that you can't force them to do so. Where did you heard such stupidities? (No criticism, just asking.) I've seen both private and state healthcare, and I must say private medical services are only good if you are rich enough, otherwise it's just a form of extortion. Health insurance companies are the worst scum who are happy to let you die if that's the more profitable option. State provided healthcare is actually one of the few good things in the socialistic type countries.
Idk in what country you live, but where i live state healthcare is an abomination. Sometimes you need to wait 5-6 months for a surgery. Also Canada the "socialist paradise" also becomes a nightmare now, there are few countries where the government healthcare is of quality, and i`m sure in most of them it's not. Private healthcare is only expensive because the government is their competitor, and the govenrment doesnt like competition, it likes being on monopoly, so obviously it has more funds, and you cant compete with that. If government healthcare would be eliminated (not in 1 day, but gradually), then people would see that they would pay the same insurance cost or even less ,and get 1000x better results. Even at the cost of putting ad bilboards (for ad revenue) all around the hospital, would be worth it  |
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That's why cryptocurrencies are such a good idea, they are a way to mathematically stop the madness that is deficit spending and hyperinflation, also trust me I've done my research into Anarchism, I quite like the Anarcho-Syndicalists etc. sure, some of them aren't 100% for free markets, but you'll find a lot of them are anti-authoritarian, they're not bad at all, it's the pricks who want to use violence to get their way that we need to be wary of.
I`m for everything that is voluntary, if leftists want to make for themselves a commune where they share stuff, it's their thing, but then everyone should be able to leave at any time (not like a concentration camp of forcet labour lol) Who knows i might join one of those communes if i would feel like it, after it would be created. The main issue revolves around "authority" and "voluntarysm", because the 2 words contradict eachother. If you got already a mayor for that commune, thats not anarchist. So i`m not sure how a syndicalist commune would handle their affairs. I`m a libertarian/anarcho-capitalist, i wish in my lifetime to see atleast minarchism, but i would want that only as a transition phase, anarcho-capitalism is probably the idea for the 22nd century. There are far too many sheeple currently on the planet unfortunately to become realizable in this century  Apart for Switzerland, Libertarianism in Europe is a pretty much non existing thing. The european culture is rooted in an autocratic past where decisions were made by the ruler and the nobility, welfare services were provided by the church and the ruling class, and common people had no vote on issues of the state. Today we are living in mostly socialist(ic) welfare states and people still/again expecting decisions and care from the state, and the state is happy to provide these services in exchange for our liberties. (Most ppl do not even notice this, as they just not using these liberties and rights as the welfare state made most of it "redundant".) BTW we can vote now, but we can vote only on the question about who will make the decisions instead of us. So we are pretty much in the same situation as we were a hundred, two hundred or a thousand years ago but most ppl are actually OK with this.
Yep. Most are monarchies, which people are always used to the ruling class, dont even question it. Then there are the democrats who think they invented the wheel with democracy, too bad that wheel will lead them off the cliff. Every democracy will collapse into communism eventually. And democracy is still the same, it's like a noble council, the same tyrants, only in suits this time and not wearing crowns. |
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I'm a centre Anarcho-voluntaryst for fucks sake, I like free markets, point is you guys don't even seem to know the political systems you're criticising, in case you didn't notice, I'm defending you, what we have here isn't a free market or democracy at all -_-
Oh sorry, i misread your post, i thought you were looking for leftist anarchists lol. if there are any left Anarchists in the UK who don't follow these guys let me know it'd be nice to know you don't support them.
I`m 100% for free market, but I don't like democracy. I`m not from UK, but it's the same everywhere around the world. Yes its an oligarchy , big companies buy votes, we all know that. But even a 100% honest, legitimate democracy would eventually fail, because the voters are greedy, and resources are finite, thus you will need a central bank to printe money for them. And after you impoverished them with increasing taxes, that pay the interest on the debt, you will give them welfare. So basically every democracy will turn into communism after a while. It's inevitable  |
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You guys keep ranting on about socialism but I'm pretty sure you don't understand what it actually means like most Americans who rant about it, what we have in the UK in particular is an Imperialist Aristocracy, the guys we have in power in the UK at least are obsessed about what their next job is going to be and nearly all of them have their sights on the EU commission which is why they don't want people even voting on it because it's so unpopular. There are small pockets of Libertarianism and Anarchism around but mostly politics is filled with a bunch of socialites and thugs, hell we even have Anarcho-communists out there who are basically Authoritarian scumbags, if there are any left Anarchists in the UK who don't follow these guys let me know it'd be nice to know you don't support them.
Remember how I told you guys about the UK school system and how socialites and thugs were the only ones there? Well guess where our politics comes from, it's not as sophisticated as you all like to believe.
Why are you leftist anarchist? Does that make sense? Ok we can all establish that monarchy/democracy/imperialism and any form of thug rule is out of question for freedom. But so again collectivism aswell, you can't organize a society without hierarchy. So are you saying you don't need society? I dont think so. In a libertarian world you need the capitalist hierarchy to sustain the society and civilization itself. The only thing is that it is voluntary and not forced on you and robbed by taxing, from you. I have no problem with leftist anarchists , as long as you don't force me to become one, because that is contrary to your principle isn't it? So i think libertarian/anarcho-capitalism is the superior system, while leftist anarcho-sindicalists or whatever could be a subgroup. You can buy yourself a property and set up a leftist commune there, nobody would stop you, the problem is that, while we libertarians would tolerate that. You guys would not tolerate vice versa. Whats your take on that? And who is the tyrant here then? |
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Also thanks for feedback, if you need any other similar bitcoin-related softwares , tell me here and i`ll make it in my spare time.
No problem. Could you perhaps make some sort of converter software for the current, live bitstamp rate? Like preev.com, you can calculate what 0.423btc is without having to whip out a calculator. Plus, if you supported adding multiple currencies, using some kind of live exchange rate, that would be something very useful and it would be something I would use on a daily basis. I am working on the Bitcoin Price converter now, here is a concept of picture of it. It will support 20 currencies, and it will convert price instantly. If everything goes well it will be done by tomorrow:   |
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I am very sick, i need those nurses to heal me, and my dong |
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why should anyone in his right mind support libertarianism unless he is very rich and hopes to pay less tax? i like that society takes care of me if i lose my job and sorts my healthcare out so i never have to think about paying or filling in forms and i think so do most europeans. nobody mentions libertarianism over here unless they're interviewing ron paul or something. ukip (british party) suggested flat taxes and privatising our healthcare but soon dropped the policies when they realised everyone including their own members hated the idea.
Because it's the ultimate arrogance of taxing people to pay for other people's things. And keep in mind 60% of tax revenue comes from middle and poor class. The rich people doesn't pay taxes. Loopholes, etc. However, they provide already a better service to the community than the whole poor stratum combined, so why should they? It's a meritocracy. A billionaire creates 1 million jobs, while 1 million people pay more taxes than him, obviously. I`m talking about honest billionaires, not the central bank and other bankster thief types, they are an abomination. Healthcare can be private, government healthcare is the worst in the known universe. But unless you eliminate govenrment healthcare, private healthcare will always be expensive. Basic economics 101. (supply & demand) Libertarianism = freedom. Freedom for the rich to become more rich, and freedom for the poor to become rich. Socialism = slavery. Freedom for the political tyrants to oppress the poor. And freedom for the poor to stay poor forever. Deal with it. |
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You can also get a second job. And by the way having a goal is crucial, because otherwise saving will be meaningless.
How do you say that having a goal is crucial and savings is meaningless. Having a goal will added to your willingness to save. This would help your patient. But it will become meaningless if theirs something happened and you need to pull out a money like emergencies. . yeah better the deposit on bank or insurance. i think that's option for save he money Insurance are been deducted to your salary every month. You will get your insurance if theres something happen to you or their an accident and if thats not happened you can get your money when you are retired. You get your money back when you retired? I dont think so which world you live on. The insurance company just keeps paying others with that money. If you would get it back, that would be a ponzi scheme, if you dont then thats just a socialist thing. Of course if its voluntary insurance, i dont care, but most of the times governments force you to have insurance. Insurance companies invest the money you give them and keep the change. It's their incentive to do business. Unless you think you can invest your money better than an organisation whose sole purpose is to generate money, insurance isn't a ponzi or a socialist thing. Or not. Did you forgot about AIG? They invest in toxic instruments, then if the economy crashes, tax money is paid to bail them out. Yes your investment is also insured, but what if there is a sistematic collapse. The whole money is evaporated and you are left with empty promises. The risk of systematic collapse grows with each penny the central banks print. |
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You can also get a second job. And by the way having a goal is crucial, because otherwise saving will be meaningless.
How do you say that having a goal is crucial and savings is meaningless. Having a goal will added to your willingness to save. This would help your patient. But it will become meaningless if theirs something happened and you need to pull out a money like emergencies. . yeah better the deposit on bank or insurance. i think that's option for save he money Insurance are been deducted to your salary every month. You will get your insurance if theres something happen to you or their an accident and if thats not happened you can get your money when you are retired. You get your money back when you retired? I dont think so which world you live on. The insurance company just keeps paying others with that money. If you would get it back, that would be a ponzi scheme, if you dont then thats just a socialist thing. Of course if its voluntary insurance, i dont care, but most of the times governments force you to have insurance. |
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What do you think Libertarianism's state and progress is in Europe? And in Europe I don't just mean UK ,Germany and France (yes there are other countries too). What do you think is our progress ? Will Bitcoin open the eyes of the sleeping sheeps? === Here are my thoughts===I don't know about you guys but Socialism still has a big grip on Europe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_InternationalIn my view socialism will fall eventually, it's a perversely idiotic system. Which can slip easily into Communism but it has a small chance, atleast in the eastern countries. I`m not sure in the western countries, they are pretty communistic now: France, Belgium,etc. Also I see a big uproar of nationalism, and I think this is the dominant theme now, people are tired of socialism so they replace it with nationalistic systems, mostly (neo) liberal, or just plain EU-skeptic parties. Now this is good news, the EU is just a giant mess that need to dissolve (we dont need 1 world government) , but it could decentralize tyrrany and bring it back to the nation states. A dejavu of the 1850's years , history repeats itself, all those nationalist idiots, want to repeat history. So basically the sheeple gets steered between socialism vs nationalism, which are basically the same, they are both collectivists. Will the sheeple ever become individualistic again or is the zombie-borg-collectivism our doomed destiny? Will ever libertarianism/ anarcho- capitalism become mainstream, or we will just be a fringe group in a society of brainwashed sheeple? Let's discuss your opinions.  |
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haha, i don't think so...The only reason that statistic is right is because the men usually drive when the family goes out or they have dates. I am scared to death when my mom or sisters drive and when i drive there scared to death. women seem more cautious cause they drive slower but that can be scary on the highway. also men have quicker reflexes and know how to get out of spin outs and when to hit the breaks and not too....well most of us some men act like bitches when they drive! there are good woman drivers not all are terrible but at least 50% are very insecure about there own driving!
Ageee why isnt there a single women Formula 1 driver if women are so good at driving? Not to be sexist but fact is fact, and you cant deny it. |
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No crap Congress doesn't act like they even know about it nor do they ultimately care, outside of a couple dozen libertarianish members of the body. Furthermore, these revelations by Snowden don't get the kind of coverage they once did so less americans get hip to it. Oh well.
Sheeple is contagious, you dont want the wolfs to let the sheeple escape from the cage aren't you? The wolf doesnt want that either. Keep feeding them propaganda and everything will be fine. |
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it is important to note that, while Swiss taxes are low, people are being milked massively by:
a) fines for all sorts of rule violations; these rules are very detailed, permeate into every detail of personal life and are engineered and prosecuted on an industrial scale; they are nothing more than additional taxes
b) high rent and no way to escape - there are fewer owners and more tenants than in most other Western countries. A highly developed and complex methodology ensures that it is very difficult, if not impossible, even for highly trained and well paid workers to acquire property. The reason for this is that trillions of capital (from Swiss and foreign pension funds) is invested in rental real estate and the tenants are needed. This system is nothing short of slavery. A person who would pay CHF 500 in interest has to pay 2000 in rent. Pension funds are required by law to pay 1.75% interest - at the same time a property owner has made 12% yearly, over the last 10 years!
c) cost of living is higher than neighbouring countries, sometimes a little, sometimes 10 times. Example: meat, 3-4 times. Legal fees, up to 10 times. Detergent, 3 times. Parking a car publicly in the street: up to CHF 2000 per year; in France/Germany that is free.
Still standard of living is high, but only if you have enough money. For those with little or no income, it is a nightmare.
a) Not like cops wont fine me in my country and I pay 80% taxes, so that is bullshit, enjoy low taxes (while they last) b) Yes there is, rent a bigger house and get together with your friends. It's hard for 1 guy to pay a rend for 1 room apartment but if you live more there then its easier c) That is true, but you got the low taxes, and somewhat easier economic freedom. |
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This thread should be a sticky.
Yes I agree, if a moderator can be kind and please stick my thread, that would be nice |
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no wrong Switzerland is the least unhappy country on Earth just because most other places are worse doesn't make it Paradise in Paradise there are no speed limits and no armies of useless pigs that have nothing to do all day but write fines for even the most ridiculous bullshit  HOWEVER compared to the USA, where cops tend to hurt or kill innocent people all the time, the finewriters are preferable...Swiss cops hardly shoot people because dead people cannot be milked; it is all about optimizing revenue. Taxes are low, so government has to find other ways of financing If taxes are low the taxbase is bigger, because people have more freedom to grow more. Only perversely sadistic governments keep 90% taxes to milk us like slaves, while not realizing that the GDP shrinks (because the govenrment owns 90% of it and they are the worst administrators ever). |
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Life in general in Switzerland is more better than other countries because of this :
# Low Crime
# Low Taxes and High Salary
# High-quality education, but low cost
# Beautiful mountains and landscape
# Great food
-0.75% Interest rate and your savings evaporate like the ice from your palms in a summer day. Their monetary policy is a joke, it took them 2 years to unpeg themselves from the toilet paper EUR. They voted down the gold referendum, and 2.5% reserve requirements really? You will see hyper-inflation coming like an avalanche from those nice Alps Also their bank secrecy laws are not what they were used to in the 1970. Switzerland is falling if those people dont do something about it. |
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Why have every reason to be. They have very high standards and the country is beautiful. I'm especially fond with their privacy laws. https://protonmail.ch/ is based in Switzerland! Yes but their bank secrecy laws crumble, Singapore has much better privacy laws at the moment. The dirty hands of the European Maffia Union have reached the Swiss too. |
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It is disgusting, but its nothing new, its very easy to create an app that translates voice into text, so obviously they can easily do it aswell for spying purposes.
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Yes it is, but its very very very hard to prove. On the other hand, I`ve saw many "crazy" wifes who faked their rape and self inflicted wounds, then blamed on the housband. And then the housband got to jail innocently, it was only years after that it was proven that the woman lied. So as much sympathy i got for women who get beaten and raped by their husband. Women have also alot of power, and can get the guy in jail innocently aswell. So getting married is alot of risk.  |
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I HATE POLITICIANS..
I hate their speeches, I hate their false promises which they make to general public at the Post-Elections and never turned up and never follow their promises. So no one can beat Politicians when it comes to telling a lie. So its better to stay away from politics and politicians.
Funny i just got today a letter from the local politicians to vote for them (we got municipal elections now). I think i`ll use it as toilet paper  |
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