There is a reason we invented paper money on top of gold in the middle ages; economies needed credit then, we need it now. Having money thats created and destroyed based on debt is actually a good idea. Yet you are surrounded by ample evidence in the current era to the contrary. The debt-based monetary system has led to the obviously unsustainable position that all economic output, global GDP is now being consumed up by interest payments on outstanding debt, it is baked in to the mathematics of compounding interest. Probably not worth following this discussion much further if you are going to deny facts. Paper debt money and other promises-of-payment money really, truly are competitive ... as long as it operates as a monopoly is what you are really saying isn't it? E.g digital money backed by gold (crypto-gold) or commodity baskets and etc hasn't even been allowed to compete, yet. Raising obfuscations like horses and carriage technological analogies is conveniently ignoring legal tender laws and other market-distorting regulations that outlawed competing monetary technologies and innovations since the late 1800's. Bitcoin is far in advance of any monetary product on the market today technologically, as a requirement for it to operate in such a highly anti-competitive environment, and that is why it is kicking asses, taking names and enabling digital black markets. The stupid, lazy, greedy people involved in monetary technologies, central bankers and their foot soldiers in mega banks, financial institutions and economic academia, could never come up with something as sophisticated as bitcoin in a 1000 years, yet cryptographers hacked it together in a couple of years as a side project. Diss it as much as you like from haughty economic academic standpoints. Fact is we made it work and it is a reality, all you seem to have are theories of why it shouldn't work.
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I like the idea that I'm able to send money to anyone anywhere in the world instantly without going through 5 corporate middlemen who could freeze my money at any time. You actually are against the guvenmint ... you just haven't connected enough dots to know it yet. EDIT: my reason for buying bitcoins ... "It just feels right".
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So gold is going down, but why? I don't understand it.
Electronic forms of gold are going down (because there are widespread rumors that there is not as much gold as they say they have in reserves) and hence the world price is going down. If one is interested in obtaining physical, it is a delightful thing to have the price dragged down by paper market artifacts. This has happened again and again over the last decade, and it has served me very well. At some point the physical market will disconnect from the paper/digital gold markets. There will be an independent quote of gold coin market averages that differs from the "official" gold spot price (which may have 7 years delivery delays and other hooks attached, etc).
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And like all things bitcoin you pay a fee for the privilege of using bitcoins.
For whiners and grinches like you the fee is doubled. Bitcoin Nazi says: NO BITCOINS FOR YOU!
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Spoken like someone who has no idea how the global economy is structured. Deflation is fine if money was real and not debt based. It doesnt matter if money is debt based or not. If I sell a car for dollar or bitcoins, in both cases the money serves as a delayed trade, allowing me to trade the value of the car for something else later. As such you could say bitcoins represent debt just as well. The real difference is that fiat money can be created based on debt, bitcoins can not. And whats happening now? Not enough credit (ie money) is being created and thats a serious problem for the economy. How exactly do you think bitcoin would solve this? Bitcoins are being created at the rate of 3600 per day and they appear to be fulfilling a particular niche demand for money rather well, is that not a solution? Alternate crypto-currencies are also being created if there are further demands for money also. The economies of the world have many other serious problems, in addition to lack of credit issuance.
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Ahhhh, it all becomes so clear now
Dotcom himself is the deep pockets that have relentlessly driven us up from 13.
Now, his ready cash exhausted, he makes this announcement and sells into the resulting rally...
BRILLIANT!
... except all his assets are mostly still frozen by the FBI under Proceeds of Crime type laws. He has been living on the goodwill of others since January last year.
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In the first protocol, every participant maintains a (separate) database of how much money belongs to each pseudonym. These accounts collectively define the ownership of money, and how these accounts are updated is the subject of this protocol.
1. The creation of money. Anyone can create money by broadcasting the solution to a previously unsolved computational problem. The only conditions are that it must be easy to determine how much computing effort it took to solve the problem and the solution must otherwise have no value, either practical or intellectual. The number of monetary units created is equal to the cost of the computing effort in terms of a standard basket of commodities. For example if a problem takes 100 hours to solve on the computer that solves it most economically, and it takes 3 standard baskets to purchase 100 hours of computing time on that computer on the open market, then upon the broadcast of the solution to that problem everyone credits the broadcaster's account by 3 units.
2. The transfer of money. If Alice (owner of pseudonym K_A) wishes to transfer X units of money to Bob (owner of pseudonym K_B), she broadcasts the message "I give X units of money to K_B" signed by K_A. Upon the broadcast of this message, everyone debits K_A's account by X units and credits K_B's account by X units, unless this would create a negative balance in K_A's account in which case the message is ignored. Wei Dai "b-money"-1998
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If deflation is so bad, then how horrible would a bitcoin based economy be?
Not bad at all, because you can vote with your wallet and get out of it if you choose. With state fiat monopoly deflation there is no escape and they exacerbate it by criminalising gold and alternate currencies in such situations. In order to support the failing system they lock everybody in to "share equally" in the misery of the elites who are losing their wealth and status.
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(I personally have no idea how to think about gold anymore)...
hahahaha... my boss asked me "why'd gold dip today?" and the most honest thing I could say ways "I dunno." while thinking "who gives a sh.t?" you need to know, I'm the gold ETF trader at my firm. over the last two years I have grown to loathe gold and silver in every non-shiny, non-tangible shape and form. Wow ... you are the ETF trader for your firm and this is how you are thinking? That's revealing. If you don't mind me asking are you trading in a sizeable fashion ... small, medium, large, or etc?
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shut up and take their money we need to lighten their load.
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Bitcoin has value because you can cash out to USD.
I think you have that backwards. You can cash bitcoin out to USD, because it has value. How does it have value? At least the USD is backed by the US Government, I guess bitcoin is backed by drugs since thats all you can buy with it?? There's at least $275 million that says you are just plain wrong (hint it is very little backed by drugs) .... and yet here you are arguing the opposite of the reality staring you in the face, reality check scoreboard
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Ha!, Mr. Lee has changed his tune considerably ... and scored himself a gig at Forbes.
(Note to self: remember to send a thank-you to Mr. Forbes.)
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Yeah, go try USA health system and then post again, if you managed to pay the insurance and you didn't die because you are poor and you could not pay.
Okay i wasn't going to say anything except you've persisted in derailing a currency restriction thread topic into USA health care wtf??? your neuron wiring may need some looking at their chump? Back on topic. The damage to an economy with cash restrictions cannot be estimated, since much of the cash economy is unmeasured and unmeasurable. They are playing with some serious fire. Restricting ANY economic activity at this time is lunacy, just look at Greece, Spain and Italy, all these economies have gone into a serious tail-spin since cash transactions became restricted. These are exactly the actions of facist, totalitarian economies, and usually when going into their end-of-life phase. I would warn against investing at all in France and getting funds out of there if you have any there. And as John M. says in the article it is the small to medium enterprises that are most likely to be trading in the cash of the size that they will impact. It will hit the working poor the hardest, not the people you want to restrict economic activity since these are major drivers towards improvement. The desperately poor and living-off-the-state poor are not going to be driving any economy anywhere. tl;dr Cruel, stupid move against the working poor who are trying to better themselves by the French Socialists govt.
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meh ... think this was just a matter of time, maybe already priced in ... reddit already had bitcoin spirit running the veins i think, still GS though What I want to see those tossers on slashdot start to recant all the crap they've spewed against bitcoin, that will be sweeter. Slashdot used to be on the edge now its the old sys-admin, crew-cut and pocket-protector brigade talking the walk and resting on their laurels.
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A classic sweep stop I dunno .. that could be a one hell of a huge stilletto ... means we are heading higher, like much higher north of $40. I was expecting correction to $20, but that might be all we get is what we saw today. Next stop $32 ... choo-choo.
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Just tried the latest version and seems to work ok ... well done Atheros, this looks like a really promising piece of work.
Any idea when security audit might get done?
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Whats currently being engineered in the namecoin parallel universe?
pure awesomeness ... of course
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I'm liking that the " monetary freedom" meme is gaining traction ... amongst thinkers and talkers, etc. The regulatory capture provided to the fed. res. banking system with their monopoly money, aka constitution-cheating contract law debt notes, is a major source for all the other problems, in many areas of society.
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Isn't stuff like Amazon Coins serving to effectively increase monetary inflation? I mean, if I have $1000 of Amazon coins, and I give $1000 to Amazon for those coins, then suddenly, there's $2000 of purchasing power. I can purchase things from Amazon, and they can purchase things from whoever.
It's a strange form of debt I guess. I let Amazon take out an interest-free loan from me with the promise to repay me in goods of equivalent value whenever I like.
Yep and it is quite a bit like how a bank works, sans 'interest' paid on deposits. I'm waiting for the fireworks when the banksters start defending their turf from likes of Amazon, Google, Apple and Facebook for when they try to become banks, issuing their own monies, holding deposits and etc... it's gonna be great showdown! and the polictico whores will be prostrating themselves this way and that, changing the rules, switching sides, should be a good sh1t fight ... hopefully they'll all be distracted enough with their monetary power struggles that bitcoin will stay in the "Too Hard" basket ... and we can get on with gobbling up market share. Bitcoin has opened up pandora's box and there is no closing it now, a period of massive monetary confusion is now upon us, opportunity and danger abounds. Monetary Freedom is a most basic of human rights.
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Hi guys. I have been interested in Namecoin for quite some time, but I'm not sure of exactly who are the relative representatives (assuming Coblee would be for Litecoin, Gavin would be for Bitcoin, etc).
Who would I contact about the actual domain namecoin.info for example or a major security flaw or anything like that?
khalahan is now the lead dev., that said he can be troublesome to get hold of ... try here http://dot-bit.org/IRC_Channels or here also http://dot-bit.org/forum/index.php
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