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Well if the are going to leave Satoshi the founding seat on The Foundation board so could always just show up long enough to dissolve TBF out of existence and then disappear again .... just for laughs.
Hey I just noticed TBF is only a T away from being TBTF (too big too fail)
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(The Bitcoin Foundation) .... a registered non-profit based in DC ... . Why DC? |
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I just made a terrible discovery. The English Foundation.This is a foundation dedicated to US English. I can't tell but I don't think they even invented English, they seem to be co-opting it for their purposes after the fact and I fear it will get worse. One main tactic seems to be teaching English to new people, eventually those people are going to outnumber us and (with help from The Foundation) have more influence than us early English adopters. This is -our- language we are talking about here. I don't think it would be wise to leave it in the hands of this one organization. The Gold Foundation http://www.goldfoundation.com.au/The Bitcoin Foundation could be an outreach people with for asperger's too ... lol? |
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It would not take much to turn bitcoin into the greatest honey-pot ever devised ... particularly if the eaves-dropping party had db's of large portions of users other Internet traffic to correlated with bitcoin traffic.
The resistance to strong anonymity being developed at the protocol level has always bothered me, saying that, it is a tough problem though.
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But this is not the "university world".
Haven't you noticed yet how paranoid, libertarian and anarchist Bitcoin society is ?
Read this thread, find out. We are extremely paranoid. Trying to manipulate the source now would be a personal suicide for the person who tried it.
I suspect that many people who post in this thread actually may have tinfoil hats.
Throwing accusations around like "tinfoil hats" does nothing to advance the debate ... neither does pasting extended quote blocks. We are just trying to keep it real for the dumbed-down masses that are about to stampede into bitcoin. |
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I'ts not difficult to list someone as a founding member even if they "disappeared"
It's not difficult, it's just a lie. As the name "Bitcoin Foundation" itself, since you're not the foundation of Bitcoin. Whats a lie? Satoshi is a member of the foundation because he is the creator of Bitcoin. Just because he "disappeared" doesn't mean he can't be member in absentee. In fact, the bylaws outline that if Satoshi returns how he will claim his seat. Satoshi cannot be a member at all until he provides his name and address, so how can he be a "founding member"? This dichotomy will always fester away at the core of the "Foundation" ... just so you know, that it is based on a lie. For that reason, I'm not joining ... I might make independent donations to Gavin for his time ... I didn't know he needed the cash actually or would have donated earlier. |
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This is a great step ahead, and will greatly benefit the proliferation of Bitcoin...I cannot understand all the whining.
I don't either. People seem to trust Gavin enough to run the code that he and the dev team publish. People also seem to trust the network enough that they put their fiat into it in some form or another. The Free Software Foundation, the Linux Foundation, etc. are worthy models. I'm kind of offended that legitmate questioning and criticisms are being called "whining" ... when this project got off the ground criticisms were accepted as necessary to make it stronger ... whining works. Not sure if you missed the memo, Bitcoin is about not having to trust ... I'm pretty sure Gavin welcomes us to not trust him ... I don't, you shouldn't either ... he probably shouldn't even trust himself. |
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What does the "Foundation" actually do, that isn't happening already? What is the product or service that it provides? Seems something like a talk-shop, lobby, think-tank along those lines right? Besides being able to curry favour with certain (unnamed) entities on the member's behalf, what does a member get in return for their bitcoins? A vote? At the downside risk of painting a big, fat target for bitcoin attackers, I don't really see the balance of upside benefits, icbw. Bkkcoins: This feels like the beginning of the end to me. A good 'ol boys club where only the Bitcoin rich get influence. How else can they justify paying large dues? How is this foundation going to respond to government pressure to change the code, to regulate and control who uses Bitcoin and how? It seems like we're going from what was a decentralized system to one where the developers are directly under the influence of the major dues payers and will be, whatever they say now not withstanding, under direct government control.
Bitcoin is inherently different than Linux and one thing that brought many users together in using Bitcoin was that it had no central nexxus for control.
I know how you feel but the worst outcome here, as I see it, is the beginning of the end of the official 'Satoshi' client. In this game, the best software wins network majority. A centralised, compromised client offering weighed down by "the Foundation" can always be usurped by a more desirable client offering ... from wherever it springs ... although there is always that network warning key that Gavin holds that could be used to propagandise against upstart client "threats" I suppose. Obligatory troll: would Gavin (or any dev) even tell us if they worked for a TLA ... recall he did sell the bitcoin traceability aspect via graph theory analysis in his talk to the CIA? |
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The best (most effective) pentesting gets done for "free" of course.
Not when it comes to three letter government agencies. Anyone with the skill to pentest them wouldn't be risking the trouble it could bring when they could contact the organizations and get paid a lot of money to do it with permission. ... you mean those TLAs that 'always' ask for permission before sticking their code into other people's boxes? Do they pay in btc I wonder? Good for the goose is good for the gander. |
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Hi,
I just started Tor hidden service running Electrum server on 4lhnnupincd3gyda.onion:50001. Now you can use Electrum client without revealing your real identity and without a need of Tor exit nodes.
1. Install Tor
2. Run electrum 1.0 as: "electrum -p socks5:localhost:9050" (point Electrum client to your local Tor node)
3. View->Pro mode
4. Click to "Network" icon in right bottom corner and put "4lhnnupincd3gyda.onion:50001:t" into "Connect to" field.
Good work slush ... I'll be checking this out. Should be no need for polipo or privoxy, since electrum doesn't use http traffic right ... or? |
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This seems like a good basis for a module in the client that does server 'auditing' and etc for more decentralisation of Electrum layer (e.g. choose m of n servers in some kind of multi-party server selection protocol)
If this is done it should be possible to be disabled by users. Connecting to many servers may represent information leakage for users who want to avoid disclosure that they are using Electrum. Right now users can choose who to connect to, and as far as we know there are no malicious servers. But perhaps later when it's difficult to monitor server authenticity someone could setup a server with the intent of logging who is using Electrum and at what IPs, and what addresses they subscribe. For security reasons users should control who they allow connection to. I agree. All good points. It's again that balance between dealing with a known authenticated entity who you trust with your info or dealing with many who you semi (or don't have to) trust ... something to keep a look out for further down the track for sure. |
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The best (most effective) pentesting gets done for "free" of course.
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Who says they have to be a fed at all?
A lot of electronic intelligence action happens at private contractors, I wager.
like Dunvegan Space Systems for example? |
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I'm not sure about the 'crying to mommy and daddy' business in seeking justice through official channels. What other ways are there? Giving someone a 'scammer' tag on a forum? Scary. Not trading with them any more? They'll open a new account and scam away.
The alternative is vigilante justice and settling scores like less savoury sections of society.
The boundaries are no longer so clear anymore since the governments have gotten increasingly criminalised with rorts like the MF Global robbery, the trillion dollar bankster bailouts, fraud-closure, SEC watching porn while Lehman bros crashed and untold fraud went by .... choose your "enforcers" carefully? |
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... so we are playing spot the spook now?
I thought there were laws that public officials acting in official capacity have to make themselves known when asked ... or is it just a crypto-police state, not a real one?
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While you are there ... ask them why nobody was charged in MF Global robbery ... just in passing.
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As simple as I can state it;
- Stratum is the network layer (built on top of bitcoin p2p network) that uses the stratum protocol
- Electrum clients and Electrum servers are the reference implementation of the stratum layer (i.e. they communicate using the stratum protocol)
- other client, server or miner implementations (e.g. call them aurum or plumbum) when they come along and use stratum protocol will become part of Stratum (network overlay)
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This seems like a good basis for a module in the client that does server 'auditing' and etc for more decentralisation of Electrum layer (e.g. choose m of n servers in some kind of multi-party server selection protocol)
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Alas, things are not always so black and white. Obviously as a relatively responsible individual I prefer the former for myself and almost all of the people I know. But I actually don't really mind a democratically elected government 'thinking and being responsible for the actions' of violent criminals, Wall Street crooks, the Butterfly Labs CEO, and so on.
It can be black and white. It depends on the personality and training. I've no doubt that brain structure plays a big role in one's propensity to view things as 'black/white' or 'infinite shades.' I've observed it first hand in my own family even, and it is deeper than simple native intelligence. But 'black/white' is a much more simple strategy and handy if one wishes to (or needs to by necessity of lower cognitive ability) avoid considering the nearly infinite tangential factors which shape most aspects of our world. Thus, it is a well represented mode of thought at such 'training' institutions as your average seminary, madrassa, Misses Institute, etc. back-handed passive agressive ... why don't you show some spine and just come out and say you have hang-ups with Austrian economics? Black/white boundaries are what is needed in the engineering world to make all your shiny toys work ... shades of grey are pretty to think about but do not put food on the table, or gas in your tank, if you know what I mean. Relativism is a lovely fantasy world ... until you get poor. |
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