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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored

on: May 08, 2017, 06:01:00 AM

Quote from: Roopatra on May 08, 2017, 04:52:11 AM ... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zR5PszQOQyqnmX7b1CR4XtskcGWAtsHeGbZAWOYgi_o/edit#gid=2124774466 This spreadsheet does not include the E1 and B1 where a withdrawal request has not been made.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation

on: May 08, 2017, 03:19:27 AM

Quote from: CTTE on May 08, 2017, 03:08:07 AM ... I really feel like there are parties trying their best to keep Monero from "taking off" as it were. You see a lot of suppression popping up on the sell side and well timed dumps that could easily have been much more profitable if they had taken their time and sold that same amount over a longer period of time. Trying to manipulate markets fails over the long term. It can however provide many profit opportunities to other market participants at the expense of the manipulator or manipulators. Edit: The sudden dump took XMR temporarily to 0.0143 XBT. It has now recovered back to 0.019.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored

on: May 08, 2017, 02:31:34 AM

I am not sure I would make the above distinction between lawful and legal. When it comes to debts my experience is that they typically fall into one of four categories 1) Morally and legally valid. 2) Morally valid but not legally valid 3) Not morally valid but legally valid 4) Not morally valid and not legally valid. By far the most common are 1 and 4. 2 and 3 do occur but are far more rare. I will leave for the reader to judge where the principal of the B1 / XBT debt lies and the interest in the B1 / XBT debt lies. Edit 1: I have to agree with smooth. 2.5 XBT is not an amount where it makes any economic sense to launch an international legal action even if it were to fall under 1 above. Edit 2: To me lawful is a synonym of legal. So the distinction is between moral and lawful/legal. Rules also in many cases are used in the place of laws as a form of oppression by those in a position of power. This is done to avoid the checks and balances present in laws. A case in point would be a corporation or group of corporations using its or thier market share to censor content that would otherwise be legal. Apple is a classic offender here. Banks and credit card companies refusing to deal with Wikileaks is another example.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored

on: May 08, 2017, 02:04:40 AM

Quote from: rpietila on May 08, 2017, 01:55:37 AM GM makes Rules, not laws. Laws, anyone can just make and try enforce. They may be valid unless they disturb ME or MY friends, or anyone who does not want to be disturbed. Quote from: rpietila on May 08, 2017, 01:13:38 AM Can someone assess, which of the debts and 'debts' are lawfully/legally mine, in the first place(?) There is no shortage of leeches in here, there, anywhere, IRL and PM I cannot reconcile the above two statements.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored

on: May 08, 2017, 01:51:00 AM

Quote from: rpietila on May 08, 2017, 01:36:45 AM ... If that were the deciding factor, all MY creditors/'creditors' would walk away with a sore thumb. I can not comment on the above There are a host of other factors apart from legally enforceable, such as: Damage to reputation, Practicality and cost of litigation, this can work both ways, other legal and regulatory risks, etc. Then one adds multiple jurisdictions with fundamentally different laws to the mix, and or course the fast changing laws in this area. What I am aware is cases of people, right here on this forum, who thought they were legally safe, only to find out this was not the case after the fact.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored

on: May 08, 2017, 01:31:07 AM

Quote from: rpietila on May 08, 2017, 01:21:50 AM ... What if the lawyers just can not advice ME? There is nothing preventing you from doing your own legal research regardless of whether you seek professional legal advice or not. I must stand by my recommendation of professional legal advice on the question of whether certain debts are legally enforceable or not. Edit: Legally enforceable against you.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored

on: May 08, 2017, 01:18:21 AM

Quote from: rpietila on May 08, 2017, 01:13:38 AM Can someone assess, which of the debts and 'debts' are lawfully/legally mine, in the first place(?) There is no shortage of leeches in here, there, anywhere, IRL and PM I cannot give legal advice. I would recommend you seek professional legal advice for the answer to the above question.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored

on: May 08, 2017, 01:09:41 AM

Quote from: rpietila on May 07, 2017, 08:18:59 PM Quote from: iluvbitcoins on May 07, 2017, 08:14:36 PM Quote from: rpietila on May 07, 2017, 05:43:43 PM Quote from: iluvbitcoins on May 07, 2017, 05:07:24 PM Quote from: rpietila on May 07, 2017, 04:48:41 PM Let's eat rather. I'll be back after dinner( and a good night's sleep/etc). How do we eat if you have our bitcoins? Eating does not cost bitcoins. Just zoom in here. I have 0.00000000 bitcoins, and mainly the thief is therefore someone else, but to fuckers his own.. How do I get there without my bitcoins? If you are as poor as me (=0.00000000, not ~0.00000000) then let's share - I'll pay you the return ticket. Otherwise FUCK AWAY, JOKER (no not me). ADD: Or tell me, HOW I CAN ACCESS this value (below) for everyone's benefit (with giving as many fucks about the recipients, and as few about the technicalities as godly possible, ok(?)): [24% commission paid to the ONE/-s who make it so that ALL the value becomes usable to me without limit, in 48 hours (commission-% declines 0.5% per hour that the value is not usable and poor fuckers think I also AM poor, whereas they only are, so therefore: please receive money from me to end your poverty!)] Apply for a limit increase from Poloniex something around 100,000 USD - 200,000 USD per day will do the trick. You can try for higher explain the situation. They may request updated identity information and will likely need to do a Skype interview with you. They may ask you to upgrade your security. I went through this process myself for a 100,000 USD limit. As for the creditors work out a payment plan and stick to it, There is also no need to pay outrageous rates of interest. Personally I will apply all the interest on the B1 debt paid to me against the E1 debt at the XBT/EUR rate plus a small credit in your favor to cover slippage. As for the commission there is no need to pay me for these suggestions if you do use them. If you do pay me I will accept it and apply it first against the B1 principal, then against the B1 interest as an offset against the E1 principal (see above) and finally against the E1 principal.

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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: rpietila's Crypto Kingdom game is a scam, heavily in debt. Do not deposit funds.

on: May 07, 2017, 04:28:05 PM

A series of posts related to the non repayment of debts by rpietila were deleted by rpietila from the Crypto Kingdom thread .They have been reposted here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1905349.msg18912365#msg18912365. I consider this post deletion a further indication of bad faith on the part of rpietila

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored

on: May 07, 2017, 04:14:53 PM

Deleted recent posts from CryptoKingdom Quote Quote from: binaryFate on May 02, 2017, 12:29:26 PM Quote from: CK_Zephyrus on May 02, 2017, 08:59:57 AM Yet another exploit in the jewel editor (which should now be disabled) was reverted - a lot of new CKG had been created and sold, then the proceeds gambled on the PGC. This is now all fixed, and is the reason PGC gave some M to Coinshop, Church and Noble Palace, which were the victims of the "fake" gold. In other news, rpietila has started repaying 1 bitcoin (out of. hmm, 640). A journey of a thousand miles start with a single transasction To whom? Is there any rational how settlements of debts are done? Risto has been advocating that he does have BTC on a public channel, see ##cryptokingdom on freenode. Apparently he is trying to get cash for them. Adding insult to injury to anyone in debt. You mean adding insult to injury to anyone holding his debt. Quote Quote from: djjacket on April 18, 2017, 08:53:29 PM Quote from: iluvbitcoins on April 18, 2017, 08:45:11 PM Wow! It 's really a nice surprise to log into my account and find over 8BTC worth of assets in it! I always find good news when I come here I'v been away for a long time so if anyone could update me on major changes, I'd be very grateful The thing I noticed is there are no shares anymore? m is no longer backed by any external currency - it is merely the game currency to buy ingame items. The CK shares were turned into m. m3 is backed by XMR b1 is "supposed to be" backed by BTC e1 is "supposed to be" backed by EURO M is also equity in the game itself. The only depository at this point that I can trust at this point to set a price on M is the M3 depository which sets a market price on M in terms of XMR, with M3 valued at 0.01 XMR. Quote Quote from: rpietila on April 28, 2017, 08:18:27 AM Official Announcement ... So, therefore: 1. All debts denominated in non-Markka, will be converted to Markka using volume-weighted Agora averages for the 24 hours following the timestamp of this post, earliest when the time is up. 2. Let everyone live the rest of their life in happiness, and - if this is not reasonable - quit wasting my time, else. 3. 11:36 Peking Duk Declined. Settlement of a debt in terms of a token whose market value is being actively manipulated by the debtor cannot possibly be considered settlement of said debt. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1890786.msg18788701#msg18788701 Quote Quote from: rpietila on April 29, 2017, 03:36:40 AM Whereas, 1. Quote from: ArticMine on April 28, 2017, 10:37:24 PM Quote from: rpietila on April 28, 2017, 08:18:27 AM 1. All debts denominated in non-Markka, will be converted to Markka using volume-weighted Agora averages for the 24 hours following the timestamp of this post, earliest when the time is up. Declined. Settlement of a debt in terms of a token whose market value is being actively manipulated by the debtor cannot possibly be considered settlement of said debt. ; 2. It is possible for an Embassy in :Revalia Old Town C Chapelry to be penetrated without permission by 4 bodies, 2 of whom hissed between their teeth that they are out to kill me, and the other 2 attempting to fulfil the wish of their controllers; 3. When it happened, nobody helped, and I lost access to all the out-of-game financial resources, yours equally as mine, at an equivalent of gunpoint (4 killers against one regular everyday normal motherfucker who usually leaves on a stretcher after the sacred (but ludicrous) thought the Republic of Estonia means business with protecting Embassies enclaved by her territory, realising too late that if you do something crazy enough, such as broker an apartment to 'your friend', pocket a commission, torch it in fire, and take repossession of the apartment (EUR 150 per day with utilities) (almost killing the lawful occupant in the process), you can just get away with it, Embassy or not, keep the prepaid rent, the deposit, and the commission, and - as a sidefuck - pocket the BTC1000...BTC5000 access codes there, in addition to money, currency, physical silver and gold, portable items of great realisation value (and even greater value as talismans, etc), not belonging to them, which is Important=6* in these matters, etc); ... Whereas: The debtor issued 10,000,000 E1 representing additional liabilities of 10,000,000 EUR after by the debtor's own admission the debtor had " lost access to all the out-of-game financial resources, yours equally as mine", the "Force Majeure" events. The invocation of Force Majeure is hereby declared invalid, and the following applies with full force: Quote from: smooth on April 29, 2017, 05:20:14 AM Quote from: rpietila on April 29, 2017, 03:36:40 AM obfuscation Please pay your debts as agreed. Edit: A post was added to the CryptoKingdom scam accusations thread regarding this post deletion. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1890786.msg18912505#msg18912505

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CryptoKingdom Uncensored

on: May 07, 2017, 01:58:56 PM

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: CryptoKingdom Markets

on: May 07, 2017, 06:42:38 AM

Quote from: bv68bot on May 07, 2017, 05:20:21 AM Quote from: ArticMine on May 07, 2017, 04:33:43 AM One big cloud over M is that rpietila (ZECHARIAH) holds over 900,000,000,000 M out of 4,000,000,000,000 total. If a significant portion of the debt is settled in terms of M and the creditors dump M well do the math. This is why the outstanding B1 and E1 debt is a very significant cloud over M even after rpietila's administrative privileges in the game were revoked. The aftermath of this attempted manipulation / pump of M is far from over. This may have been Risto's plan all along, no retreat possible! ... The burn the boats strategy works only if the boats in question are the only means of retreat for the soldiers, officers etc. It failed in this situation because the boats in question were not the only form of retreat for the soldiers officers etc, which in this situation in many cases ended up with a significant victory with limited risk / cost to themselves. The question that does remain here is: Were the boats in question the only form of retreat for the commander? In this case a very significant portion of the soldiers, officers etc., did not buy at all into the battle plan and believed that victory could be achieved using a longer term strategy with much lower overall risk, and furthermore had previously achieved major victories using a similar low risk long term strategy in other battles. Edit: Sun Tzu's The Art of War teaches a lot more about war and strategy than burning boats.

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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: rpietila's Crypto Kingdom game is a scam, heavily in debt. Do not deposit funds.

on: May 07, 2017, 04:50:23 AM

Quote from: Hueristic on May 07, 2017, 02:49:24 AM That picture of him with the rented Rolls is a perfect shot of a piece of Euro Trash. ... Picture see above ... Personally I find the following book which I read in the 1990's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Millionaire_Next_Door very relevant to the above picture and its subject's debts.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: CryptoKingdom Markets

on: May 07, 2017, 04:33:43 AM

Quote from: Speed_CK on May 06, 2017, 11:08:15 PM ... Today was opened the BO (BurstOcean) depository at a 0.0001 BTC per BO token rate, with a simple 1% withdrawal fee. This is a first action that should revitalize the CK economy and restore the trust that was lost due to the b1/b2 fiasco. I personally deposited 0.03BTC for a whopping 300BO and immediately put it on the market to capitalize on that sweet sweet early adopter privilege. Almost immediately, 1/3rd of my BO sold at a rate of 1 million M per BO, or 10 billion M per BTC. This shows that the uncertainty in the market is still there and the early adopter bonus is very strong If we look at how things were before the depositories going haywire, B1 (which is 1:10 with BO) was stable at as low as 30k M and as high as 180k M, mostly being around 50-80k. When things went haywire it went up to 1-2mil M. Since then, the M supply quadrupled and it lost relative value due to lower trust in the game and less circulation. I would then say that a 5x multiplier is reasonable as a baseline for comparison. If we take the 50-80k M stable value, then when things will stabilize once again with an increase in game trust and circulation, one BO should end up at around 25-40k M. As more deposits happen, supply increases, and trust goes up along with the liquidity, I expect the value of M to once again go up and BO to stabilize at 25-40k M, or 250-400mil per BTC. As a result, depositing now and selling would probably be highly profitable if you are invested in the game and believe it will recover and continue to grow. Right now, however, M is still hyperinflated due to great uncertainty in the market and the state of the game, so I expect the general perceived value of BO to be around 150k M at the moment, with a "real" value of 25k. Great demand obviously exists, and there is still a window where supply is low and there is not much market-making and significant profits can be made... People are still itchy to withdraw, and as soon as bank is injected, it will be viable (assuming ChrisPop stands by his word). Happy trading. 10 Billion M per XBT is approximately 184 Million M per XMR 1.84 Million M per 0.01 XMR (M3). This is within the ballpark for saddam's M3 XMR depository which currently trading a higher valuation for M 500,000 M bid / 1,000,000 ask for M3. Still in both cases there is very little liquidity when compared to the paid and not paid withdrawals of B1 / E1 and outstanding B1 / E1 that has not been withdrawn. One big cloud over M is that rpietila (ZECHARIAH) holds over 900,000,000,000 M out of 4,000,000,000,000 total. If a significant portion of the debt is settled in terms of M and the creditors dump M well do the math. This is why the outstanding B1 and E1 debt is a very significant cloud over M even after rpietila's administrative privileges in the game were revoked. The aftermath of this attempted manipulation / pump of M is far from over.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think DOGECOIN is the future of Altcoins ?

on: May 06, 2017, 05:11:39 PM

Quote from: cryptohunter on May 06, 2017, 12:52:38 PM Quote from: Ukuhudu on May 06, 2017, 12:46:57 PM I don't own dogecoin I just want to hear opinions , we the rise of altcoins as we know not every Alt will succeeds definitely some will fail. Don't you think Dogecoin will be the next big thing. Not unless they fork it and reverse the destructive coin emission schedule. It seemed price and interest died off after everyone realised there would now be infinite supply. That correlation may not be correct but it did seem that way. Great community back in its height though. Got a lot of new people interested in crypto so the community should be more positive about it than they are really. I cannot disagree more. The fixed number of coins is the root cause of Bitcoin's blocksize issues. Edit: Ethereum Classic made a terrible mistake when they dropped the fixed block reward for a maximum number of coins.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: CryptoKingdom Markets

on: May 06, 2017, 04:57:50 PM

Quote from: CK_Zephyrus on May 06, 2017, 03:23:24 PM The supervisory board meeting was just held. The main points: - Syksy's R code (stats + Blackjack) will be made public, waiting for a willing maintainer - A new depository will be run by ChrisPop (see message above). Caveat emptor. - FUCKs are gone. Nobody gives a fuck about all this. - Risto's characters are disabled until payment of debts - PJ is working on some updates for the clans from before he got hijacked by the risto silliness

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City)

on: May 03, 2017, 01:54:26 PM

Quote from: smooth on May 03, 2017, 11:05:24 AM The easiest and least-bullshit place to get an update is a chain explorer (or your wallet ofc). He has all the payment addresses. ... after 4 confirmations from the Bitcoin network. ... cleared funds.

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Other / Meta / Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?

on: May 02, 2017, 11:04:53 PM

I must say that I am very saddened that Shelby Moore III has been treated in this fashion here on BCT. I have had many valid and stimulating discussions with him here on serious technical and design issues that impact Bitcoin. He is in my opinion one of very few people who has spent the time understanding the serious issues that Bitcoin faces with: 1) The Fixed blocksize. 2) The unproven fee market that is supposed to replace block rewards in Bitcoin. 3) Miner centralization and the host of attacks that are possible because of the fixed blocksize. 4) Many of the serious failings in the solutions that have been presented, including but not limited to Bitcoin Unlimited. 5) What may be a fundamental design flaw in Bitcoin. 6) A host of other technical issues and attack vectors in Bitcoin. My take is that banning Shelby Moore III amounts to nothing more than shooting the messenger when the message is both very valid and very unpalatable to many in the Bitcoin community. I will request that this ban be reversed. Thank you.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation

on: May 02, 2017, 10:31:05 PM

As someone who prefers to take the long term view I find the following charts relevant. https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/#btc-percentage. What the charts illustrate is the significant drop in the percentage of the total market cap of crypto currencies that is accounted for by Bitcoin from over 96% in November 2013 to 61% as of the time of this post. It has recently actually fallen below 60%. A different way to look at this is the sharp increase in the combined market capitalization of alt coins from ~1.5 billion USD a year ago to over 15 billion USD today. This is an increase of ~1000%. Bitcoin by comparison has had an increase from ~7 billion USD a year ago to ~23.5 billion USD today for an increase of ~240%. What we have here is crypto currency rally that is driven primarily by alt coins and not Bitcoin. This is in sharp contrast to previous crypto currency rallies where the primary driving force was Bitcoin. My take is that the market is getting tired of waiting for Bitcoin to sort out its blocksize scaling issues, assuming they even have a solution, and is looking for alternatives. How does Monero compare to all of the above. During the last year Monero say an increase in market capitalization of from ~11 million USD to currently ~330 million USD for an increase of ~2900%. My take is what we are seeing here with Monero is a market consolidation after a sharp increase, in an otherwisie strong bull market in alt coins. Monero has underperformed many other alt coins in the first part of 2017; however this is understandable when one considers Monero's stellar performance in 2016. As for where is Monero likely to trade in the next few months I must point out that I have in the past being wrong on multiple occasions such as buying between ~0.0011 - ~0.0050 XBT in 2014 only to watch it fall to ~0.0009 XBT in December 2014 and also in 2015 buying at around ~0.0024 XBT only to again watch Monero fall to below 0.0010 XBT in December 2015.

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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: rpietila's Crypto Kingdom game is a scam, heavily in debt. Do not deposit funds.

on: May 01, 2017, 08:47:18 PM

Quote from: rpietila on May 01, 2017, 07:04:07 PM Quote from: lethos3 on May 01, 2017, 05:39:19 PM Quote from: shinohai on May 01, 2017, 04:02:25 PM Keep the lulz coming, I'll continue to munch popcorn happily whilst hoarding actual Bitcoin in Eulora when time permits. Does it accept XMR? And when is MP joining the Monero party? Hopefully never. The train is going direction Kingdom now. I can understand why. Running a fractional reserve / short on an asset that can rise in purchasing power by 4600% in a year does not work very well.

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