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3861  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: "Money Services Business" - The Corporatist Reign Over Bitcoin on: January 11, 2012, 09:27:40 PM
There is a critical difference between "currency" and"money" here. Bitcoin is not currency but it is very hard to argue it is not "money". As for Bitcoin being a commodity possibly but is more along the lines of a virtual equivalent to a precious metal for example gold than say a regular commodity for example lead.
3862  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Tax when buying bitcoins in an exchange on: January 11, 2012, 09:22:08 PM
I prefer to read the actual legislation which is why I posted the link to Canadian Excise Tax Act that applies to the GST. There is a critical difference between "money" and "currency" here as Bitcoin clearly qualifies as "money" but is not "currency".
3863  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: "Money Services Business" - The Corporatist Reign Over Bitcoin on: January 10, 2012, 04:33:00 PM
Sales taxes such as GST or VAT are a far greater threat to Bitcoin if it is not treated as "money" that anti money laundering laws will ever be. Paying an extra 5% - 20% (VAT, GST) or more on each Bitcoin transaction will kill Bitcoin in no time. On the other hand requiring  the reporting of "large" Bitcon transactions to the government will have a minimal if any impact on Bitcoin. Most people do not live in the United States with its lack of VAT/GST style of sales taxes.

3864  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: "Money Services Business" - The Corporatist Reign Over Bitcoin on: January 10, 2012, 04:58:36 AM
It is much better for Bitcoin to be treated as money since that would avoid the payment of VAT (European Union) or GST (Canada, Australia) etc. Treating Bitcoin as money actually makes a lot of sense given its purpose and use.


3865  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Tax when buying bitcoins in an exchange on: January 10, 2012, 04:40:44 AM
First the disclaimer: I am not a lawyer

The question here is whether Bitcoin is subject to the Good and Services Tax (GST) in Canada. The GST is the Canadian version of a value added tax.  The relevant legislation is the Excise Tax Act http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/E-15/page-94.html#h-71. It may come down to whether Bitocin is considered "money" which is defined in the act as follows:

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“money”
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“money” includes any currency, cheque, promissory note, letter of credit, draft, traveller’s cheque, bill of exchange, postal note, money order, postal remittance and other similar instrument, whether Canadian or foreign, but does not include currency the fair market value of which exceeds its stated value as legal tender in the country of issuance or currency that is supplied or held for its numismatic value;

There is probably a good case here under "and other similar instrument" for the position that Bitcoin is "money" and therefore not subject to the GST, given that its purpose is its use a medium of exchange in trade.

3866  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What problems does bitcoin really solve? on: January 06, 2012, 05:04:02 AM
Paypal already enables us to make online payments all over the world. But Paypal is not free (at least not for entrepeneurs), while BTC is (besides some electricity).

BTC gives humanity immense freedom.

Freedom from (government) theft
Freedom from (government) interference
Freedom from (government) spying

A government without the ability to tax itself to riches means no more stupid major projects and enless wars. A blessing, all because of a simple program  Kiss

But can one open a Paypal account without a credit card or with say a FICO score of 350? Seriously people who cannot get a credit card and or have poor credit are a huge market for Bitcoin, and for an online merchant accepting Bitcoin means reaching a customer base they could not reach beforehand.
3867  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Could bitcoins be made illegal? on: January 05, 2012, 07:21:44 AM
It is possible but I suspect unlikely. A more likely scenario is that Bitcoin would be treated as foreign cash or gold requiring the reporting of transactions with a value over a certain amount say 10,000 USD under anti money laundering laws.
3868  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Does Bitcoin Cater to the Rich? on: January 05, 2012, 01:29:46 AM
I would argue that Bitcoin actually caters to the poor. Try buying something online without a credit card. Poor people who cannot qualify for a credit card can use cash for in person transactions; however until Bitcoin came along there is no real, cost effective, international alternative for online transactions for those that are too poor to obtain a credit card.
3869  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What problems does bitcoin really solve? on: January 05, 2012, 12:56:26 AM
For starters: The problem of making a small international payment online lets say 20 USD in a cost effective manner without

1) The sender needing a credit card
2) The recipient needing a merchant account

I am sure other members can come up with other solutions, but to me this one is huge.
3870  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newbies Hangout on: January 05, 2012, 12:40:22 AM
This bitcoin stuff is really damn confusing. I was hoping PayPal would be accepted by bitcoin traders. What is the most commonly used site/tool to exchange currency for bitcoins? Dwolla?
There is a list of bitcoin exchanges on http://bitcoinwatch.com/. Some are international and others are not. The choice depends on where one lives. I use https://www.cavirtex.com/ here in Canada. As for PayPal not a good choice. The chargeback risk to the seller is too high and in any case bitcoin will likely not be in compliance with their TOS.
3871  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduce yourself :) on: January 04, 2012, 08:45:09 PM
Well I finally decided to join after lurking for a few months. As for experience I do own some BTC and have just started BTC mining in a pool.
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