Dump alert! - I recommend removing bids, I want to see price fall fast! don't worry we will win the war, secret rockets standing by!
Negative. The dump has been reschedule to next Smarch 29th. its all going down this week. dump your coins and wait for my signal. ... and then hope to jump back onto the moving train as it picks up speed. |
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I have noticed the exact opposite with CAD with Canadian buyers being very pessimistic with Virtex, the Canadian exchange trading almost always a few % below the MTGox USD price. In Canada's case my theory is that the cold Canadian winter combined with relatively low electricity rates makes Canada very attractive for Bitcoin mining. This leads to Canada being a net exporter of Bitcoins.
Australia should be a net importer for the exact opposite reason to Canada being a net exporter, especially during the Australian summer. One can also argue that the EU could be a net Bitcoin importer because of fear over the Euro.
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so that the fall with look sharper (less bid walls) until adam scoops in at 12.50 halting the drop and getting the cheapest coins, you bastard!
its worst then that... when i scoop the cheapest coins you wont even see it, i don't trade on mtgox! Muahahaha  Let me guess you sold on Virtex. |
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Thank you for your email and for providing the details and I will have that checked and I will keep you updated on the status.
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Got the same stock reply. There is obviously a problem here with Bitcoin deposits at MTGox |
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in the end, the starting date does not matter as market psychologies and overall trends do not change with choosing an specific starting time
But for you, I moved the starting date by one day so you are happy :-)
Look at your candles and look at the real data, where are your weekly close ? how come u get green candle when there should be red ? also you are using moving average envelope that use the weekly close price but your weekly close price is not even near the real data, you do what you want but at least use the real data, i am out i am done with this ........  /out and subject is dead for me I looks to me like these charts are from different time zones. |
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Yes I just had the same problem. No credit after 15 confirmations for a deposit to MTGox. I have already submitted a ticket.
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You bulls, who expect good news and fresh blood on market - you expect Bitcoin to be a Ponzi, where first getting money of last. This is strategy of fiasco.
we expect to have more and more options as to where we can spend our coins. we expect more and more people to realize bitcoin's value, and the type of change it can bring, and like it. we do not expect bears who think bitcoin is a zero sum game, to understand what is happening. I just expect that someday Bitcoin will have a market share comparable to that of GNU/Linux on the desktop today; however there will be some corrections along the way. |
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It actually makes a lot of sense. Any answers on the VAT situation for Bitcoin in France as it is becoming apparent that a major exchange will develop there?
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I would be interested in seeing some sort of stats showing how many businesses do instantly cashout all BTC, what % they hold in BTC, ect. Those would be some neat figures.
Any business that sells products or services for BTC is very likely selling BTC on a regular basis to pay for expenses. This is specially true for a business that sell very high value low margin products for BTC such as for example gold bullion coins. By the way the sale of very high value low margin products is particularly well suited to Bitcoin. |
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 Canadians are more bullish then ever There are bitbulls in Canada, I count myself among them; however the combination of very cold winters and relatively cheap electricity makes Canada prime for territory bitcoin mining. The result polar bears in Virtex. Virtex trading above Gox is an anomaly. So I expect the the wall at CAD 13.20 to get demolished by the polar bears, or Gox to rise back to say 13.6 USD or even both. |
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You need an option in the poll -$10.00 -$6.00 We know this shit is gonna crash, and I'm gonna be there to buy 1/2 price bitcoins  The poll is for the december 2012 high, so if you think it will crash then you would select the first option? Not really. One can have a high over 16.00 USD followed by a crash or vice versa. |
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Yes I do agree that Peoples United Bank should be held fully responsible for the loss in this case, but only for the following reason: In their electronic services agreement they require the user to use either Microsoft Windows or Mac OS X and do no allow a user to use GNU/Linux. I checked their website. In addition they require users to use old versions of Firefox 3.0, 3.5 and IE 6, 7 or 8.
So for example if a user were to access the online banking with say Ubuntu (GNU/Linux 12.04 and Firefox 17.0) thereby avoiding the whole risk of Microsoft Windows specific malware which after all was the cause of the fraud in this case they would be in violation of the agreement with the bank.
The reality here is that the bank set up the customer to fail in a big way by their operating system requirements.
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To use the movie theatre analogy what has happened here is more like someone taking out their phone to silently check the time and you telling them to STFU.
And ignore several requests noting how distracting that bright white screen on said phone actually is. Thank you for the entertainment. This thread is completely full of mindboggling silliness. 1) RE "why?" Gavin nailed it on IRC: <gavinandresen> I think jermias was banned because jgarzik was grumpy
(I'd guess too little sleep, he has a little one) and jeremias tried to
workaround jgarzik's request to take political discussion out of here.
Offtopic crap, followed by a transparent attempt to keep the offtopic discussion going. After warnings and repeated kicks are ignored, you get banned. Typical IRC B.S. More like ignoring several requests about how much noise was been made with the phone even though there was complete silence. By the way I do not use an iPhone so the bright white screen is not an issue here. As with the original assumption that all trade with Iran is illegal in the United States, not all phones generate a flood of white light when checking the time. |
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Who is he to tell others what they can and can't do?
Who are you (and most of the other people in this thread) to tell other people how to run a chat channel which they use and contribute to and you do not? So, are you saying that if you(or someone else) wants or tries to change bitcoin in a way I don't like or agree with I should just STFU because I never contributed a line of code? Context... He's referring specifically to a single IRC room setup for developers to have technical discussions with other developers. In that context, if you're not a developer, then yeah, STFU. Yes I'm free to run my chatroom the way I want. Plenty of other places, including plenty of other bitcoin-related IRC channels, to talk about such things. The way people talk in this thread, if I'm having a dinner party and I kick someone out for telling extremely racist jokes, I'm abridging their freedom of speech. If I'm at a movie theater, someone answers their phone and holds a loud conversation, and I tell them to STFU I'm destroying their freedom of speech. To use the movie theatre analogy what has happened here is more like someone taking out their phone to silently check the time and you telling them to STFU. |
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This thread has been getting more off topic recently but I'm going to chip in with some final words. I'm a busy Bitcoin entrepreneur and I've used way too much time on this already but here are some conclusions based on the discussion.
I'm glad Jeff came here to explain himself and the explanation was decent, he has some respect back from me. I agree that it's important to be strategic and the issue is not black & white. That much I can agree with.
The ban itself I can't agree with, and I disagree with some people who think it was "no brainer" moderating decision. Personally I don't believe that any other op would've reacted the same way. Jeff clearly had a personal dislike of the subject. That is okay though, and it's the dev channel so the devs can essentially make the rules there.
I propose that the discussion over there is more strongly limited to development discussion so it's clear for everyone. Although in this particular case the ban was very questionable even if the rules were clear on that, because the discussion was moving from Iran in general to translating Bitcoin-Qt to Farsi, which is clearly a development issue.
All in all I think we're all in the same boat here and we want Bitcoin to succeed. We have different ideologies, different levels of risk we're willing to take for the sake of Bitcoin and different opinions on a lot of things.
What I can say is that this has been blown out of proportion on many levels. First of all the original issue is in my opinion not that much more serious compared to what Bitcoin is involved with already. Bitcoin is used in drug trade for at least 2 million dollars each month, probably more nowadays. Bitcoin in Iran, even though it is growing, is still a super niche.
For me the original frustration was more about the ban than anything else, the other stuff were differences in ideology which I don't see as that relevant. The issue about the ban was an issue about moderation and policies within the community. I don't have any experience of that btw, I'm a long time IRC user but I use different networks such as IRCNet. I have no experience of the official Bitcoin channels. I probably should come there though.
Finally, I would like to say that we need to prepare for the eventual heat. We don't want to invite the heat prematurely by our own actions, I completely agree with that. But we need to prepare for the heat. So I would listen to Jeff's advice and start running those full nodes more.
We also need more progress on decentralised exchanging, Bitcoin-otc and LocalBitcoins are very good starting points though. Thinking about what happens to Bitcoin if there is ever a crackdown on the dev team, is also something we should think about.
If I have offended anyone, including Jeff, I apologize about that. I don't want to burn bridges with anyone. I'm also doing this with my own name and I'm a Bitcoin entrepreneur full time, so I don't afford that.
Thank you. I do strongly believe however that this ban needs to be lifted. |
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No surprise there, I know exactly where the world is going - it is going into totalitarian state mode.
The difference between me and you is that i think that Bitcoin, together with Internet, Linux, TOR, Freenet, I2P, OpenVPN and many other OS technologies can stop that from happening.
Fighting fire with fire is pointless. The point beyond which hand of the system can't reach is farther away than most can imagine. ...yet there are people even now, massively selling drugs (and were selling arms, but armory is closed ATM) for Bitcoin over the internet. Silkroad is the proof that what you are saying is false. We already have the technologies to protect us from governments. Bitcoin is one of such technologies. We only need to reach for it and use it. Also, you should watch Jay Rockefeller saying that "Internet should never have existed": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9xzXUQLuYThey are NOT in complete control anymore, otherwise he wouldn't be so desparate to say it. And this shows they ARE afraid of us and of the Internet. We CAN win this. This assumes that the greatest threat to freedom actually comes from government. I would argue greatest threat to freedom in many cases actually come from big business in the private sector. There is a government official with an iPhone. Which of the two is the greater threat to freedom of speech the government official or the iPhone? I would make the case for the iPhone. |
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This has the effect of making the sanctions far worse by impacting innocent persons who were not the target of the sanctions in the first place.
Majority is the primary target of sanctions. With time, they become pissed, go mad and demand changes. Once millions are on the street, things usualy go very nasty for rulers. To find out who is the target of the sanctions the first step is to actually read the official documentation regarding the sanctions rather than make assumptions about the sanctions and then act on those assumptions to hurt innocent people. Then when innocent people get hurt blame the government, when in fact it is not the government that is really at fault here but rather actors in the private sector. This why I posted the link to the US Government site further back in this thread. |
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It is not the law itself or it's interpretation that is the issue here but rather the actions of players in the private sector certain banks and a certain Bitcoin developer come to mind here in response to the sanctions. The classic case (This actually happened with Somalia), where a bank would instead of blocking only those transactions affected by the sanctions blocks all transactions. This has the effect of making the sanctions far worse by impacting innocent persons who were not the target of the sanctions in the first place. What happened in this thread is just as bad. |
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I have a question: what would happen if a iran guy in iran make a new bitcoin client and we download and use it? US drone will bomb us? We are terrorists?
Why not simply read the US sanctions document from the US Treasury and find out? This entire thread is predicated on the assumption that the activity mentioned is the article is actually illegal in the United States. If this turns out to be false then most the arguments being passionately debated here become moot. Now back the original issue raised by the OP. I believe there is way more than enough reasonable doubt with respect to the illegality in the United States of what Jeremias promoted on #bitcoin-dev for Jeremias to be re-instated. |
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Can some please explain to me how using Bitcoin to purchase a song by an Iranian musician from a site in Finland violates the US sanctions against Iran with citations to the actual documentation from the US Federal Government?
By the way we must keep in mind that Microsoft propriety software was used by the Iranian Government to enrich Uranium so the Open Source software argument is very thin in my books.
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