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341  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The best buy right now is not Bitcoin, it is ALTCOINS on: January 08, 2016, 07:54:59 PM
What about risks of 90%+ of altcoins which are doomed and have no way to recover because whales simply dumped all their holdings and newbies baghold them?
This x 1000.  The downside risk is incredibly high-- most of these shitcoins are going to zero and no one is ever going to use them for anything constructive.   Except maybe doge and ltc.

So how exactly you think that you can kill let's say Phoenixcoin ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=330956.0 ) which is currently traded at all-time lows and has total 43 million coins mined? At 1 Satoshi I'll buy all mined coins for only 0.43 BTC total (yes, I will) so what will you do afterwards, while I am raping the price any way I see fit and others are jumping on it based on extreme possible gains? How exactly you think to prevent me from totaly controling the market if I own all mined coins? But more important is do you realy know I won't be doing anything useful with PXC if all that happens? In case you haven't noticed, almost everyone who had any sort of innovative idea did not join Bitcoin but went their own way with their own coin or acquired a controling stake in some existing coin then launched whatever they had to offer. Or they are working on it.

Many of you are clearly not thinking or know enough.
342  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The best buy right now is not Bitcoin, it is ALTCOINS on: January 08, 2016, 07:41:33 PM
Bitcoin is the longest (I think) running blockchain...I think of it as basically production software that's been running flawlessly for almost 7 years, it has not been shut down, or broken and is being used to transfer value.

Before putting more money into Bitcoin you realy should read about it's past. There were many serious issues, from someone creating almost unlimited amount of BTC to unintended hard-forks and BTC lost because official wallet had no password, at all. And lately there was massive debate (still on-going, not sure) about block size and few other aspects so you can not realy speak about stable cruising. There are also four (4) competing implementations of basic wallet, all hoping to get attention and adoption by miners and users and thus shift Bitcoin the route they want which you might not like, at all.
343  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Cryptomeetup Hrvatska on: January 08, 2016, 07:38:42 PM
... i onda bude show program i ludilo, sve nas pohvataju i pozatvaraju...

da haha, mislim da je BTC kod nas jos uvijek "đavolji novac" :Đ
nebih se volio pravdat u nasoj drzavi za ista vezano uz BTC

ideja ti je super al za takav conference ajmo rec bi trebali i dosta promocije, po mogucnosti copit neko poznatije ime u BTC-u i dofurat da kaze rijec 2

Pa eno bila je nedavno emisija o Bitcoin na TV i kao glavni kriticar je bio ako se ne varam Oleg iz BUG-a, znaci njega treba najesti i napiti i eto reklame u najcitanijem kompjuter-casopisu u HR.  Grin
344  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The best buy right now is not Bitcoin, it is ALTCOINS on: January 08, 2016, 07:09:37 PM
Sure, Bitcoin can go up 100% from here but altcoins can go up 1000% much easier and much faster, given their current marketcaps and lack of liquidity. But do not wait for too long, buy at least a small amount of altcoins at current very low prices and smile later when majority suddenly (re)discovers altcoins, many of which outperform Bitcoin is all technical aspects. Pretty much every noob investor and speculator is dumping altcoins now so you should be slowly buying them.

You say many of them outform Bitcoin in all its technical aspects, yet you don't give any examples. Last time I checked, I didn't see any coin that has proven to be stable under Bitcoin's pressure, which is the nš1 reason to bet on it. Maidsafe is the only coin different enough that I would be able to trust long term as something valuable.

As for Crypto 2.0 coins:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1153740.0

But even that won't help you much unless you actualy used those coins, extensively and more than once.

(alt) coins do not have the potential to go up so much. 1000% is an impractical amount. In the last 6 months of me trading alt coins, not a single coin that I know of, has gone up 1000%

Dozens of them went up 1000% or more, not sure where you are looking.

As for everything else you posted, a problem here is that so many are double-binary = Bitcoin only and the only way is up. Else I'm gonna jump off the building. That is insane. Sure, they can make money, possibly more than with altcoins (totaly doubt that though) but still they are insane and I don't feel well dealing with insane people even if we all are trillionaires.
345  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [START] StartCOIN 2.0 - The digital currency for crowdfunding on: January 08, 2016, 06:57:56 PM
update your avatar to startcoin logo
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=avatar

spread the word

"Quality" of avatar you are using is actualy representing the exact "quality" of Startcoin wallet, network and pretty much everything else.  Grin
346  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Cryptomeetup Hrvatska on: January 08, 2016, 06:42:11 PM
Meetup samo da bi se nasla ekipa je po meni bezveze. To mi dodje kao neka sekta ili kult. Bolje je ako se meetup moze odraditi tako da ima i nesto konkretnije i dugorocnije od same price i druzenja, recimo kao sto je bila izlozba slika u Gjuro2. Ideja koja je meni pala na pamet prije par mjeseci je da se okupi ne samo postojeca cryptocoin ekipa vec i da "dovucemo" sto je vise moguce kompjuterasa na meetup pa im se svima objasni kako se postavlja Bitcoin full-node. Usput ide i live streaming za one koji ne mogu doci. Pa onda nakon meetupa Hrvatska skoci na recimo deseto mjesto (ili prvo Shocked ) na https://bitnodes.21.co/ i onda bude show program i ludilo, sve nas pohvataju i pozatvaraju. Ma zakon! Zezam se ali ovo sa full-nodes bi bilo zanimljivo odraditi, bila bi dobra propaganda.
347  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: -=Bitkonan.com BTC & LTC Exchange=- on: January 08, 2016, 06:33:46 PM
Sto se tice websajta, besramno bih se ponudio za redizajn Grin ali samo dizajn.

Ma nista od toga ni od mojih prijedloga, vidis da se nisu ovdje pojavili vec tjednima. A sigurno im je nesto ili netko drugi kriv sto je trade volume na BitKonan samo nekoliko BTC dnevno, koja ekipa.
348  Economy / Speculation / Re: Im getting that feeling again on: January 08, 2016, 06:22:29 PM
Well its going up up up. How far this time? Is anyone else getting those butterflies in your stomach and pressing Buy Buy Buy Smiley

Emotional trading so I'm doing the oppossite, selling bits of BTC and buying bits of altcoins. "Sell when everyone are buying and buy when everyone are selling" is a proven winning strategy.  Wink
349  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The best buy right now is not Bitcoin, it is ALTCOINS on: January 08, 2016, 05:55:27 PM
Try telling that to someone who lost money on Paycoin or Cloak. Majority of altcoins are pump and dumps designed to profit the developer.

Many people lost a lot of money (or all the money) on Bitcoin or whatever else. Satoshi Nakamoto is still by far the richest Bitcoiner, owning possibly over 1 million BTC. What was your point, realy?

Either buy and hold or learn to trade.  

Learn to trade before any buy and hold, Bitcoin or whatever else.
350  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The best buy right now is not Bitcoin, it is ALTCOINS on: January 08, 2016, 05:39:04 PM
Bitcoin is much bigger, better and more secure than all other shit-coins out there.

It is just bigger than altcoins, not more secure.

That's total junk. Thousands of people have attempted to roger Bitcoin in every way possible and it's still rolling. I don't think the same can be said for many or any alts. If they were actually put to the same test there's no way of knowing whether they'd wilt immediately.

It is rolling until few known pools and few known major miners are confronted by guns and black copters or are simply prevented from accessing Internet (trivial). At that time you'll love if you have a stake in something less centralized, like well-distributed PoS altcoins where hundreds of mostly unknown people are running the show and are in many cases actualy using the same secure code as Bitcoin excluding the gimmicks.

One bank, one leader, one exchange, one coin, one whatever means a single point of inevitable failure so good luck with Bitcoin only.
351  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The best buy right now is not Bitcoin, it is ALTCOINS on: January 08, 2016, 04:39:42 PM
Bitcoin is the best investment of this decade. I know altcoins can get you a lot profit in a very short time, but it is basically gambling since you need a lot of luck. That's why I don't buy altcoins. Bitcoin is the only coin for me.

ROFL, so you are all-in on Bitcoin but altcoins are gamble? Do you think you are somehow not a gambler? What's more, what would happen with your investment if you wake up tommorow and Jamie Dimon kept his promise about stopping Bitcoin?

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151106/08022132734/jpmorgan-ceo-jamie-dimon-says-government-will-stop-bitcoin.shtml

If you think Bitcoin is much safer investment than altcoins you are crazy, realy. Anything crypto is a high risk investment.
352  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The best buy right now is not Bitcoin, it is ALTCOINS on: January 08, 2016, 04:22:03 PM
Gone are the days of central planning of our different means of payment.

Are you sure? Becase, as you can see on this very thread, central planning mentality is still very strong. Bitcoin or nothing! Just rise 1 BTC to 1 billion USD and you'll witness absolute and unseen tyranny, dictatorship and wickedness by this very people so into Bitcoin and Bitcoin only. Or BitShares and BitShares only, Qora and Qora only and so on. Nope, nothing realy changed. Not even wealth redistribution is something unseen.

So it is really wise advice to buy some altcoins in small amounts, because they have great upward potential, and you only have to invest a small portion of your BTC stash. But you should know what you are doing, that's what the OP is missing.

I am not missing anything. This thread was not ment to be of a "buy this and that" kind, do your own research.
353  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The best buy right now is not Bitcoin, it is ALTCOINS on: January 08, 2016, 04:12:31 PM
Bitcoin is much bigger, better and more secure than all other shit-coins out there.

It is just bigger than altcoins, not more secure and definitely not better.
354  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The best buy right now is not Bitcoin, it is ALTCOINS on: January 08, 2016, 03:35:17 PM
you really want to compare those to bitcoin? don't make me laugh

Just because everyone are going crazy about that old, slow, worn-out but the first-ever and most widely used car you should not be dismissing Lambos and Ferraries lurking in the shadows. For example, what one can do with NXT alone is actualy more (and 10 times faster) than if Bitcoin is combined with Counterparty and dozens of 3rd-party centralized services. And some altcoins are so light that one can run a full-node on smartphone which means as trustless and decentralized as you can go with Bitcoin but without a need for a computer. That is a real deal to me and an area where Bitcoin already lost the battle.
355  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The best buy right now is not Bitcoin, it is ALTCOINS on: January 08, 2016, 03:24:59 PM
What about risks of 90%+ of altcoins which are doomed and have no way to recover because whales simply dumped all their holdings and newbies baghold them?

Low liquidity means extreme upside potential! Besides, Bitcoin went up so much exactly because bagholding aka HODL so I don't find your argument good enough to dismiss altcoin markets recovery.
I think my argument is very strong actually. Altcoins are worst than penny stock.

The same was true for Bitcoin not so long ago.
Why would invest someone money into "re-inventing" the wheel?
Bitcoin is used by at least 1 million people, and it was the prototype. While 98% of altcoins are a simple copy of it and LTC?

Well, obviously, you should not be investing much money into mere clones. Most are realy not going anywhere but there are exceptions like Doge, where past and present coin popularity could boost massive upswing. And there are definitely not "re-inventing" the wheel coins like NXT, Ethereum, BitShares, Qora and few others but again, unless you actualy used them it is a waste of time to talk about why they could 1000% or more.

Facebook was not much more than MySpace was but that did not prevented it from dethroning MySpace and all others.
356  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The best buy right now is not Bitcoin, it is ALTCOINS on: January 08, 2016, 03:15:30 PM
Altcoins is fun to have, but for me is no point for me to use I am just using bitcoin to just hold it.
I am sure that in the future I will get a nice profit.
Because bitcoin have a potential that it can grow so high.

Altcoins can grow much higher but unless you actualy checked and used many of them it is sort of pointless to debate that with you. In any case, holding only Bitcoin is much like holding only gold or silver or Facebook stock. Here I am advising diversification within cryptocoin sector as a sort of hedging against unexpected Bitcoin demise. I'm not telling you to invest all bitcoins into altcoins.

Altcoins are worst than penny stock.

The same was true for Bitcoin not so long ago.
357  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The best buy right now is not Bitcoin, it is ALTCOINS on: January 08, 2016, 03:09:26 PM
What about risks of 90%+ of altcoins which are doomed and have no way to recover because whales simply dumped all their holdings and newbies baghold them?

Low liquidity means extreme upside potential! Besides, Bitcoin went up so much exactly because bagholding aka HODL so I don't find your argument good enough to dismiss altcoin markets recovery.
358  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / The best buy right now is not Bitcoin, it is ALTCOINS on: January 08, 2016, 02:57:22 PM
Sure, Bitcoin can go up 100% from here but altcoins can go up 1000% much easier and much faster, given their current marketcaps and lack of liquidity. But do not wait for too long, buy at least a small amount of altcoins at current very low prices and smile later when majority suddenly (re)discovers altcoins, many of which outperform Bitcoin is all technical aspects. Pretty much every noob investor and speculator is dumping altcoins now so you should be slowly buying them.
359  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Trgovina on: January 08, 2016, 02:31:30 PM
Kupujem HDD SATA ladicu za Lenovo T-500 notebook, ima ih masa na Ebay zato evo jedan link na proizvod koji trebam:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bezel-SATA-2nd-HDD-SSD-Hard-Drive-Caddy-for-Lenovo-T400s-T500-T410s-X200-43N3412-/280888767879?hash=item4166467587:g:bsEAAMXQzr1RzH7Y

Cijene su okvirno oko 8 USD sa bespla dostavom. Placam 12 USD sa BTC ili sta vam vec odgovara nakon sto dobijem paket. Da li cete koristiti .com .de ili neki drugi Ebay svejedno. Moze i sa nekog drugog websajta ali ladica mora raditi sa navedenim notebook i mora biti nova. Adresu za dostavu vam javim na PM. Ako sta nije jasno slobodno napisite i hvala unaprijed!

Link za kompletnu ponudu na ebay.com:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xlenovo+t500+sata+ultrabay+hdd.TRS0&_nkw=lenovo+t500+sata+ultrabay+hdd&_sacat=0

Pa gdje su sada oni silni noobsi koji hoce kupiti BTC za PayPal ili sta vec? Ajmo ljudi, treba mi ova ladica hitno, da se ne zezam sa vanjskim USB HDD (spoooooro) kada radim backup primarnog HDD.
360  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MSK]MaskNetwork testnet launched. Testers needed. on: January 08, 2016, 02:25:31 PM
Available For Sale 970,000 coins with Last Price $0.4 per MSK = Extremely overpriced, no thanks.
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