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1501  Economy / Speculation / Re: When bitcoin bubble burst? on: December 16, 2017, 10:27:31 AM
why you asked this kind of question to be honest ?
if you do your own research i believe you should know that Bitcoin is not a bubble at this moment,
we are seeing this kind of movement due to significant increase in term of demand from other people.
lately we can see that bitcoin get recognized by some country for example japanese,
they're monitoring their exchanger for the past few months and decided to regulate it a month ago,
slowly but sure Bitcoin get approved by many people and because of that people think it's a good time to invest on it,
so what is bubble ? bubble is an asset that can be manipulated easily and do not have a solid foundation.
but Bitcoin is not that kind of asset,because even if the price pushed to the ground by the whales.
its supporter will not leave it alone and treat it as an opportunity,that mean it's zero possibility to reach $0 in the future.
so when the bubble burst ? it's not bubble and it will not burst.
1502  Economy / Speculation / Re: Only 2 days untill CME launch Bitcoin future! on: December 16, 2017, 09:38:24 AM
ok let assume that i am accumulating more Bitcoin right now or buying a lot of Bitcoins right now,
and then what will happen ?
everybody know about listing that will happen on CME futures (hope so).
but we're not yet sure about it,what i mean is everything can be happen right ?
other than listing on CME futures in the next few days later,do we have another thing that we will see in the next future ?
at least until the end of this year we will not see anything else.
which mean correction is expected right after the news ?
or you may be have another thing that you want to express or explain to us about what will happen after the listing ?
1503  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Bitcoin now the biggest bubble of all time? on: December 16, 2017, 08:08:50 AM
Yeah. Bitcoin is now the biggest bubble of all time becuase its value is unpridectable nobody knows if bitcoin is what exactly amount reach. Bitcoin is bounceback and after that he can fly to the moon. Bitcoin is the biggest and strongest coins of all time.

do you even understang what are you talking about ?
you said Bitcoin is a biggest bubble of all the time because its price or value is unpredictable and it can fly to the moon.
but at the same time you were saying about the biggest and strongest coin of all the time ?
bubble mean something that does not have a good foundation behind them.
which mean it's a weakest asset that can be manipulated totally by people,
people can push it to the sky and at the same time people can push it to the ground until it lose its value.
it's very clear at this moment Bitcoin is not part of the bubble and it has not yet to reach that point.
the reason behind this ridiculous pump due to demand that keep increasing from time to time,
the whales took that as a chance to maximize their profit.
no more than that.
1504  Economy / Speculation / Re: New theory on market making manipulation on: December 15, 2017, 09:55:11 PM
i think you get it wrong mate,
they're purposely did that to create a confusion and uncertainty.
it's all not about accumulation because they're already did that a while ago.
an accumulation phase always happened a year ago or two years to make a long run.
so right now we're on the edge of the uncertainty,many people believe the price will move to around $20.000
and at the same time many people fear it and believe the price will go down to around $10.000.

chart looks very weak ? yeah the chart looks very weak,
and you know what ? that kind of chart already exist whenever we're making our move from $700 until now.
so the chart can not tell us what will happen but instead it's only a map.
a map about our structure for the past few years and its growth in the price,nothing more than that.
1505  Economy / Economics / Re: Cryptocurrency as our Fiat on: December 15, 2017, 08:41:02 PM
what does that mean by our daily fiat ?
are you talking about our main currency and will be used by us daily whenever we're doing something ?
if you're talking about that i am afraid it will not happen because the goverment will prevent it for sure.
do not you think it's a bit too dangerous for our global economy if cryptocurrency useb as a main currency ?
what will happen to them who is holding Bitcoin for more than 1% ? do not you think they can become a landlord ?
in my opinion at best it will only be used as a digital currency,
but even though it's only as good as a digital currency it has a big role in our real life.
because in the future i believe when the technology developed to a whole new level era.
bitcoin will be used by many people and it can be a part of our life.
1506  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC to reach 20k before CME on: December 15, 2017, 07:57:30 PM
usually a day or two before the listing or news appear there will be a pump,
if everything is well,we should see that kind of movement in the next few days later or at least a day before the listing.
just look at it right now,
slowly but sure we're breaking our old ath and make a new one.
after a few days of uncertainty,right now we will a make a movement which are go up or go down.
CME listing is a good news for us because it's one of the sign from people that Bitcoin get recognized slowly.
but at the same time it createad a lot of hype and fear which will lead us to the downward movement.
always remember that everything can be happen with it,
it might be ridiculous but it has a possibility to see a false hope from them.
until we get listed in the successfully nobody should not believe it fully,always spare some of your believe for your back up.
1507  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price ratio between exchanges on: December 15, 2017, 07:12:39 PM
there are only 2 possibilities that can explain to us how it can be like that :
- There were no buy orders on one of those exchange (the lower one) or there were no sell order on one of those exchange (the highest one).
what i am talking about is,those exchanges lack of bitcoin supply.
because of that the difference between them and others were high.
just like zimbabwe or indian exchange a month ago.
average price that we're trading for back then was around $9000 but in zimbabwe exchanges you can find it for more than $14.000,
also in indian exchanges you can find it for more than $12.000.
it's all about the supply that can be generated from the users,

- people do not trust that website and only some people do the trade,

well in the end it's all about the supply that they have at that moment.
it's not surprising to see that because Bitcoin supply is very limited while the demand ridiculously high.
you will find a lot of similiar thing to that one if it has a limited supply
1508  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: S.O.S HELP available margin, or Equity trading on: December 15, 2017, 05:58:01 PM
ok before solving this problem we should make it clear,
based on your screenshot you're going to buy 1,3 ETH and you're buying it at 540€,
everything is correct until now,right ?
but when you're putting that orders but it's filled only around 0,7 ETH,
logically you have something else behind right ? but when you're puting another order you can not do that ?
that is your problem right ?
they said you do not have enough money or something like that.
it can be happened that way because you have a LIVE order.
just look at your screenshot,you can find it in the right side and using a Blue Colour.
all that you need to do is click 'Cancel' Button beside 'LIVE' status and make another order.
i hope it can help you,thanks
1509  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ideas on value in 2018 on: December 15, 2017, 05:03:13 PM
what will happen with it in 2018 ? not quite sure because we're not yet to see it successfully implemented.
what i  mean is we'll be listed on CME group's futures on 18 December.
but bear it in our mind we may be can not see it in there because it's a false hope created by the whales to make a short hype.
at the same time if it's successfully implemented in there i believe the rumour about another listing that will happen with Bitcoin in Q1 2018 next year will be succesfully implemented too.
so we can not make a wild guess at this moment because we're not sure yet about what will happen in the next few days later.
but if we're talking in a bigger pictures,i believe Bitcoin price will keep increasing from time to time.
it's just matter of time to see it surpassing $20.000 level and steadily increase.
Bitcoin is a future in my opinion and people will use it in their real life to help them doing their daily activity.
1510  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Threat to Bitcoin from other crypto currencies? on: December 15, 2017, 04:04:33 PM
whenever you go,the real one will always surpassing the fake one.
no matter what is it as long as it's a genuine item or a brand new one and you compared it to another thing that come from that item,
its value will be greater because it's a discovery and others are an inovation.
also Bitcoin is a symbol of cryptocurrency itself,no matter how good that alcoins are it will remain an alt.
we can not change the fact that it's created based on Bitcoin core and source.
plus compared to other,Bitcoin has a lot of supporter and developer behind them.
and with the time they will make it better
in brief,do you want to buy an original phone or a replica ?
based on that alone we can tell who is higher and have more value in other people eyes.
1511  Economy / Economics / Re: why is the price at localbitcoins so much higher? on: December 15, 2017, 03:00:07 PM
first of all that's the place for buyer or seller to face one and another,
which mean it's the place for them who offer their coin with their prices or the seller can put the sell order as much as he/she want.
actually it's due to fee that they need to pay whenever they make a trade in there .
go here if you want to know how much is the fee that you need to pay for every transaction :
https://localbitcoins.com/fees
look at here :
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LocalBitcoins users who create advertisements are charged a 1% fee for every completed trade.
do your own math and tell me,it's higher from others ? or it's just the same ?
they increased the price because they want to cover up the fees that they need to pay whenever they make a trade.
every trade,you will be charged for around 1% from your total transaction.
1512  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: fee transfer too high? on: December 15, 2017, 01:55:21 PM
no you did not make any mistakes,
it's all due to the traffic that we're currently face that is why you need to use a higher or their recommendation fees a slightly higher compared to other.
also at the same time our current price make it even worst.
do not worry,all that you need to do is paying the fees from your coinbase account to bittrex account.
other than that you do not need to pay anything,
you will be charged if you're moving your balance to other wallet not to make a trade.
if you make a trade you're only need to pay a fees around 1%~ or less than that for every transaction,
it's totally different if you're sending your coin from wallet A to wallet B.

Transaction Fees : The fees that you need to pay for every transaction that you made,or sending your coin from your wallet to other people wallet.
Trading Fees      : it will only be charged to you if you make a trade,and it's very little around 1% or less than that
1513  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin will surpass $500,000 by the end of 2018 on: December 15, 2017, 01:05:12 PM
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let says 5 million coins stuck in there ?
what the hell with that ? they're not that dumb my friend.
from where you can say that thing my friend ?
you can find a lot of place to sell your coin off the market,or even you can sell it directly to other people.
plus they're not that stupid enough to miss this chance,
nobody will let this opportunity and they will find a way to make a trade or doing a trade for their own.
if you do some research you should find it that they're only banning their local exchanges and their citizen to make a trade in there.
which mean it's totally possible to make the trade out there and i believe the majority people will do that.
also other international exchanges did not forbid chinese people to do the trade in there.
at best they're only retricting some site or something like that.
totally banned it ? of course it will not happen and people will always find its way to do that.

also $500.000 is not a small matter,
sure enough,you're bolder than John McAfee.
 Roll Eyes
1514  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Whats more profitable Day Trading or Trade for weeks on: December 15, 2017, 12:20:34 PM
what weeks ? 2 weeks ? 20 weeks or what ?
there are only day trade(short trade),mid trade and long trade.
in my opinion doing a daily trading and weekly trading are totally same,because it's only around 7 days or around that.
(let assume that we're doing a 7 days trade or 1 week trade compared to daily trade)
so which one is more profitable between one and another ? it's all depend on your strategy and that coin itself.
also,wait for 100~800% increase in a week time ? i do not think so mate.
it's not that simple and the market will not move that way,
if people know the price will be pumped for more than 2x from its average price,
they will choose to hold it for a week and then sell it right away.

before get that kind of movement we need to pass many cycle,
first of all we need to pass the accumulation phase,that time the price will be surpressed a lot by the whales.
and then we will see a bulltrap after accumulation phase and then pump phase.
so for me both of them are same.
1515  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Entering into the crypto market for US is pretty hard right now... on: December 15, 2017, 08:41:42 AM
yes that's correct,
the reason why they did that because coinbase support credit card (if i remember it correctly).
if binance support that kind of transaction i believe they will not doing that kind of activity because it'll charge more fees compared to do it on one exchange.
yes there're a lot of problem happened with every exchanges,not only on gemini.
in general all of them did something stupid like that and in my opinion it's not recommended to verify our account using our own document.
what i mean is they can selectively choose their victim by using it,
which mean it's not totally safe but instead it will help them to choose their victim based on their residence.
if you're doing a research you will find this kind of activity caused by those exchanges.
never believe the exchanges because they're only as good as an exchanges no more than that.
diversify your portfolio or it would be better for you to hold it by yourself in your offline storage and then sell it when you're finding a suitable place to sell it.
1516  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Buying alt coins has been a bad investment for the past 6 months, what to do? on: December 15, 2017, 07:13:44 AM
if i remember it correctly you're buying an altcoin when it's on its peak right ?
of course your strategy will faill because that position is not fit for you to execute your orders.
and what thing that you need to do in the future ?
if you do not sell it yet,i advice you to keep it or hold it for a few months later on.
because Bitcoin run will stop until we're reaching another news in Q1 2018 ( if it's a real news not a fake one ).
this run will not last forever because they need a time to stabilize their position and accumating the coins.
in other words,after this movement there will be another movement that will happen with an altcoin.
usually we will see it every early new year,just like we did a few years ago.
1517  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin period of volatility is over? on: December 15, 2017, 05:46:27 AM
volatility is not over yet and will not happen this year or few years later on,
because volatility is part of the game and the charachter of Bitcoin itself,also because of that many people using it to do the trade.

no matter what will happen with it,like a listing on future's or something similiar to that thing,
it will not change the fact that we're not doing a real 'trade' on those future's but instead we're trading the 'instrument'.
which mean there'll be a day when we're seeing a huge movement,
it's all due to limited supply that Bitcoin has and at the same time the demand that keep increasing from time to time.

in other words,the volatility will not stop and will always find it way to make its move.
1518  Economy / Speculation / Re: Almost all coins experienced gains in prices today, where is the market heading? on: December 15, 2017, 12:01:21 AM
if almost all coins experienced gains in prices today,
i believe it's another sign for Bitcoin to make another crazy movement in upcoming days.
it's very likely to see it because if we're looking at our history that happened with BCH for example.
we can tell that the majority profits that they gained from altcoin will be moved to bitcoin.
which mean the price will get a lot of upward movement a day or two days after the movement from altcoins pump.
it's a good sign and at the same time it should be a huge one,
if we're seeing the movement in a few days later,we may be can break $20.000 level next week.
but,how far it will go if the correction starts ? only god knows.
1519  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can CME futures launch push the bitcoin price to [$20,000]? on: December 14, 2017, 11:23:01 PM
usually whenever we're hearing or reaching the date for that news or development or something similiar to that,
the price will be declined a lot,because people will secure their profits.
it's always happen because when the news appeared the price will be pumped and then after it reach that point,
there'll be a confusion happened after the news or development released.
many people still do not know what is going on in the future and what will happen with the price afterward.
that is why when we're reaching that date or that point the price will be declined.
but we may be can see the price hit $20.000 before we're reaching the date.
so everything can be happen,and i bet we should see it in a few days later on.
1520  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin correction on: December 14, 2017, 10:39:51 PM
I mean I can see it crash because of all that blind money that came in... with some market manipulation and bringing the price down to say 14,000 everyone who jumped on the train at 17k or 16k might leave when they see it happening and it might go back down even more.

I saw that you quoted my reply, let me tell you that everybody who has invested money in bitcoin during the last few months are just in here for making money by the most easy way..

Even my grand mother asked me a few days ago for bitcoin, maybe they all are blinded for money, or maybe they "really" want to take advantage and just put money in here because they want to leave the actual monetary system.

The only thing that i see that you are right, is that probably not even 1 of 10 people in here are just holding cryptos to use their features, they are just taking care of the returns and the profits, nothing more.


yep indeed it's the most easy way to make money because Bitcoin price steadily increase,
but bear it in your mind that the price that we're current have were pure manipulation.
what i am talking about is,right now the expenses that we need to make or to solve the block around $5000++ (average price).
in other words,the price pumped 3x times from miners expenses.
do not you think it's a high return for them ?
do not you think they do not want to encash their holding to pay their expenses and for their profit at the same time .
also uncertainty that we currently faced make it even worst.
at least until the news about the listing on Dec 18 the price will be dumped a little bit or we will see a correction a week before the end of the year.
well,everything can be happen with it and it's all based on my observation.
nobody know about the future,and all that we can do is hopping for the best
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