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8621  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Online Gambling vs Real Gambling on: November 15, 2016, 03:03:02 PM
Online gambling and real gambling  are do the same  because  they are  both  doing gambling games  the difference  is  the  place  on where did you play  it  the ambience is  different and the  interactions  is different too hence  when you are  in  offline gambling social interactions are present  which you cant find  on  online because  you are just sitting in front of your computer and  play all you want but  still it depends on a kind of person  on which  place does he  intend to  play.
8622  Economy / Securities / Re: Invest in gambling site (what you think) on: November 15, 2016, 01:29:06 PM
It depends on luck a lot. Cause in order for you to make money, someone s gotta gamble and lose. If they win instead, u ll lose. So no safe bet there.

Every investment comes with some kind of risks and because of risk instead just give up, it is good to find options to reduce your losses. Like if you diversify your funds into few good gambling sites then your chances of making losses will reduce a lot and in the long run, you will surely make good profit.

I don't understand the risk on this investiment.

As casinos make profit on long term, we will make profit on long term with them, no? So, there is no chance to lose money with it. The only risk is if the casino closes or be hacked within our money there.

It looks like you never invested on any casino bankroll. Yes in the long run casino will make a profit for sure but if you're looking for money in the next few months time, then you may or may not make a profit. If you look at last few months moneypot investors profit then you will come to know that you can lose money in this kind of investment also.
I saw some reviews in gambling section that they are not making good profit in money but in other gambling casino like betking or crypto-games they are making a good profit every month. this is what i saw in their reviews so i think there is some site that actually losing instead of making profit..
And we can not know if the site has fraudulent or not since we are thinking that house is always win but the result from other gambling casino are lose and our investment are losing too.
Honestly betking is one of the old and well-known gambling casino and i think many investors are already invest in that site so i am sure that is why more people investing in betking because of good result and making you good profit..  unlike other gambling casino.. but you can not if this is true or not if you don't experience it.. you should try it first so that you will know if this is true or not..

Well surely they don't have enough players plays at their site and how could they get some revenue if they cannot lure many people to join on their playing yards? Well surely they well be bankrupt if that case will continue to occur, and i think those big sites like you'd mentioned are greater profited ones since they got the trust of many people to still continue to play with them, and more player more possible pofits to come.
As a wise  investor you would   surely seek on the  most  reputable  gambling site  to invest  on your money  because you  don't want   or  like  to suffer  bankruptcy or  negative profits   on your   money  you  put  in.  Even though  those  sites are reputable  there would  really a time that  it would really suffer   loss, as we all know  gambling casinos  are  already many do exist today which means the   competitions is  high  and the players  is partitioned  which means  profits  would  be decreased or divided.
8623  Economy / Services / Re: [BetKing] Signature Campaign | Fixed rates | Full Member - Legendary (Open) on: November 15, 2016, 10:51:51 AM
The management of the signature campaign is up to Lutpin.
However I see a lot of people applying and saying they will change their signature after being accepted.

In the OP he says you need to change your signature and then post to apply so I don't think you will be accepted unless you change it first.
Hi BetKing.io

I do understand  what is  being stated on the OP  but  most users  don't change their  signature  as long theres  no feedback regarding on their application ,  if  they do change it and  lutpin rejects them, the   salary for  the signature that  he left would be  useless for  sure. That's why most  people  would  really like to apply but don't  intend to change signature first unless if they are  accepted.  Please do  consider these  kind of  acts  because  this  is  just a  normal thing here  on this  forum. Changing signature  would not be hard as  long   you are being accepted. The  most important thing is the post  quality of a certain user.

Thanks Smiley
8624  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Betting on sport = gambling? on: November 15, 2016, 05:46:50 AM
Without any doubts, betting on sports is gambling you need luck to win and you are almost doing the same as roulette as you are asking me about it.
You are betting on a player/number/team..

Anything that involves risking money to earn more money is gambling. It means, even counting posts on streets competing with other who is also counting post is gambling. And betting on sports is very obvious that it is gambling.
Yes, all things involving money bet to profit included into gambling. If the sports betting it is clear, including gambling, because we'll bet some money to get money if you win. In contrast, if we are only guessing who wins without betting, it is not included into gambling. So in essence betting that involves money included into gambling, such as sports betting.


Not all involving money to have profit is consider as Gambling, I think you are just exaggerated on this case. There are methods like "investing" that does not consider as gambling.  Gambling is just a game of luck and no guaranteed for profit. In short gambling is just a game that involves money. And that's all. Don't be exaggerated on the term gambling

You are right, that  guys is too exaggerated when  he do  define gambling   and he generalize all  things  because   money  involvement  doesn't  only  focus on gambling  but there are still some  things like  investments  which  you already mentioned. There are  people who  don't think what they are saying though. Betting  on sport does considered as gambling already  because   you  are betting  money  to earn  money on a particular game.
8625  Economy / Services / Re: [BetKing] Signature Campaign | Fixed rates | Full Member - Legendary (Open) on: November 15, 2016, 12:50:17 AM
Hope  i can  participate on this campaign  Cool


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8626  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you believe that win in gambling is depending on your luck ? on: November 14, 2016, 03:20:07 PM
when the results are difficult to predict, yeah obviously gambling is depends on luck. however there are several types of games that depend on the strategy, although only a few percent.

Yes, but when you are lucky yet doesn't have strategy the game wins would be worthless. That is what we call a partial win which in the end if you just prefer to your luck then you would surely not going to win at all and lose that partial win instead.

Its still better to  have partial win rather  than  nothing at all. Having  luck  would really be a major thing   that really affects the  outcome  when you do play gambling. Skills would   really depend on which  game  you are playing  but  most  of  the time  it really needs  luck to be profitable.
8627  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The most precise definition of gambling? on: November 14, 2016, 02:21:22 PM
there is still much confusion about the definition of gambling, including me. Especially about the difference between Betting and Gambling, despite the fact that I think Betting and Gambling it is the same thing. So here I want to know "What is the most correct definition for gambling?"
According to me Gambling Is Just a shit Game Based on Pure Luck and No Experience Needed in this to Make Money and You are Risking Your Money in Just a Stupid Activity.......
Betting is Also a Type Of Gambling and Also I Don't Prefer Betting to Anyone Because Both Gambling and Betting is a Shit Business So I Suggest to All that Do Some Other Business......
Actually betting and  gambling are  all  the same  and theres  no difference  at all. Betting is  not  a  business. lol.  Let me ask  you, what  do you need to do  to  play gambling? By betting right? So  it  means   its part of gambling.  The definition of  gambling  is  where you  risk  something to earn something. Just  like risking  money to earn  money. Period.
8628  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is the more risky option? gambling in casino or joining HYIP? on: November 14, 2016, 01:26:43 PM
Both things are risky and   should  not   be  considered  to  do  or invest  on these things because  you are  just wasting your  money.  Somehow  on  gambling  you could  lose   your  money  on  but  you  do  gain entertainment and  you could able to stop anytime when  you see  that you are  losing  up too much  unlike on  hyip which  you cant  get back your  money  if you already  putted  into the site.
8629  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is the best bitcoin wallet for online gambling? on: November 14, 2016, 12:32:05 PM
Since first time play at online i am use blockchain wallet
sent and receive the coin without problem and we can control it
i dont think if coinbase and xapo is safe for gambling players Smiley
Coinbase does  prohibit  in this kind  of  transaction which  its been used for  gambling  purposes. Coinbase  is  famous  regarding  on  freezing  users account  if they caught  someone  who uses  it  for gambling.  Its  against  on  the ToS , if you read  it  theres actually a  agreement regarding with this matter.  On Xapo, I think its safe the same as  blockchain because they don't  have restrictions  regarding on this matter.
8630  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This is why Bitcoin P2P lending is dead. on: November 14, 2016, 11:13:23 AM
I see donations here Tongue  Showing  pile of RED really hurts  too much because  those  mean is a  money  lost.  Loaning  business  or  investment  is  really risky especially if you don't  ask  for collateral  because  anyone could  ran   and  don't   intend to  pay their  debts since they  don't risk anything from  you.  TO be  safe and  lessen the risk always ask  for collateral  because  if  they  will ran atleast  you  hold  somethings  exchange for their  loans.
8631  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ANY STRATEGY TO WIN IN GAMBLING? on: November 12, 2016, 03:58:06 PM
Theres no effective strategy on playing gambling especially when you are playing dice and slots. Martingale would surely bust you up on the long run. But there are gambling games do need experience and techniques like card games and sport betting with these you could able to increase your chances of winning if you are experienced enough.
8632  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: If you were rich, would you still gamble? on: November 12, 2016, 03:44:03 PM
If I'm become rich because of my hard work I would still play gambling but I do intend to put up only a small amount because I don't want to lose huge money on there hence I working hard in able to get money and I can't accept that I will lose it on an blink of an eye. Playing gambling is not bad as long you have control on you funds.
8633  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way to manage money? on: November 12, 2016, 03:04:48 PM
It goes down to self control. Of you are able to control yourself not buying useless things, there's no harm using a credit card. And it even gives you rebate around 2%, so why not

i think the best way is to have zero funds on your card altogether so you are able to spend anything, because by the time there is something i know you would spend on useless stuff
yeah I think by doing that you will be more difficult to shop. but make sure that you save some money later to buy food.
if you can keep your money in a place that is difficult to reach it will be better
Wasting money on useless things is most common for almost every human. It is a bad habit and it comes into practice when we are not realizing the true value of money and its buying power. Like you said, only when we are facing a problem to buy food for the living due to insufficient money, we will come to know about the value of money and the importance of managing it properly.

This is a common thing that will happen. People would really realize such thing the importance of money if he/she already facing financial problems especially on buying his needs. Unwise spending could really make your budget over dropped that's why we should limit our spendings and do buy only the important ones.
8634  Economy / Economics / Re: How many BTC will make you a fiat millionaire in 5 years? on: November 12, 2016, 02:24:25 PM
I choose  more than  1000  btc  because   bitcoin  could  possibly  reach $1000/btc which means  if  i do  have  1000  btc then when  that time comes  i would  for  sure a  bitcoin  millionaire  but well  we  dont  posses  soo  much  bitcoin as  of  now  because  we are not early  adopters  on it  and  dont  have the capability  of  buying   even  more bitcoins  on  current price. Its reality though.
8635  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: For what was Bitcoin created? on: November 12, 2016, 01:31:28 PM
Satoshi did not expect Bitcoin to become this popular and he most probably wanted Bitcoin to be a virtual currency to be used for micro transactions online instead of in actual stores. Satoshi most probably wanted to offer an alternate currency that has a fixed market capital and is trustless, with all the bank bailouts.

Maybe and did not expect that it will reach more than $19 Billion market capitalization. But maybe the possibilities are already in his mind when he created bitcoin. Bicoin is something that he can be proud of, it changes lives of many people.
As we all  know  that  any  inventions  we  made  we   dont really expect too  much  that  it  would be successful  or  not  on the  long run. Bitcoin was  created  by satoshi  just  focusing  only on  micro payments and   online transactions  but  as we look  into  bitcoins development  ,  it really  surpasses  the expectations of satoshi  for sure and   now  hes  very proud   on his  inventions and he could  see that many  people benefit  into it.
8636  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Will ZCash Classic pump? on: November 12, 2016, 10:30:17 AM
Lots of traders lost out big on Zcash, no one would venture out on Zcash classic if it goes insanely high like Zcash.
Traders  have surely  learned a  lesson  on  zCash  pump and  dump  scheme, especially to those  who  invest   bigtime  when  it just starting and you see now  the  zcash  price  its dumpds so hard. If zcash classic  would launch I think  there would be  no  hype  like  on  zcash  and  for sure   only few  investors would tend to  buy  on it because they already  witness  what  happens to  zcash  up to now.
8637  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Is wallet from exchanger safe? on: November 12, 2016, 07:06:43 AM
If  you are sailor and  dont have  too much time to go  online then  its  better to  store  up your  bitcoin  on  a hardware wallet and  bring  it  wherever you are   rather than  putting  and  leaving  it  on an  exchange wallet because  the  risk of  lossing  it  is  still there. As we all know  that exchanges  could  possibly be hacked   without  our  awareness which our bitcoins  is at risk for sure.

This  would be the  best  advice for me   because if you don't have enough  time to  watch  on your  bitcoin  on  an exchange wallet  then  your  suggestion  would be the best   on storing  it  on a hardware wallet  because you can  keep  it on a safe   place and no one can steal it from  you as long   you have  the  your hardware wallet and  its keys  its  much safer.
8638  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Someone told me HASHOCEAN is coming back on: November 12, 2016, 06:20:01 AM
Better say the scam is coming back. I was sure they were not going to be satisfied with the huge amounts of money they were able to steal and will come back to steal even more.

As usual  and the cycle would never  end as  long there are  people would  still trying to  invest  on this   schemes. Scammers   would  really  not be contented  even though they get already  huge amounts of  money. They would surely be back  and  pop  out   with a new name  that's why  this  hyip sites would never  die.  These greedy scammers would  do whatever  it takes as long they could able to steal money from  others.
8639  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What is the minimum amount to start as a trader? on: November 12, 2016, 04:41:46 AM
you could always   start a small amount   on  doing trading  at the first time  on the amount of  0.01 btc and  there are  exchanges  that do   have cheap  coins . It ideal to make some practice and   observation while you are trading . Learning  process would  be  long for sure because   trading is  not  easy as  it sounds  you would really need  some  effort and  skills  to be profitable  on it.
8640  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Thoughts on Zcash? on: November 11, 2016, 12:47:20 PM
zcash would   definitely dump  its  price  for  how many  months, as  ive  read  on the   other  thread  its  really a ZCRASH Wink I don't   have   trust  on this coins  and its  not  advisable   to  engage  into  it and  I feel  sorry  for those  who  invest  on  earlier   time  and  now  they would  really wait  to break even their losses.
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