I'd like to initiate a dashberger meet up in Canada. I'm currently in Montreal taking my Sommelier course... So, if there are any peeps wanting to meet up for a bevie PM me, I'll see if I can wing it with my schedule here.
I feel I have to give you a small gift for all you have done for the community: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1x4bbo_tales-of-terror-1962-full-movie_shortfilmsYou can fast forward to the 29 minute mark. The scene lasts until around the 37 minute mark. It's well worth your time. |
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You can also setup a cron
to reboot your MN if the server resets
cd /etc/cron.d
crontab -e
2 (for nano)
at bottom of newly created file, insert:
@reboot /usr/bin/dashd [to start masternode (or wherever you keep your daemon)]
You might as well add this line as well */20 * * * * /usr/bin/dashd It will try to restart the daemon every 20 minutes in case the server hasn't rebooted, but has experienced a network outage longer than the masternode "keep alive". It doesn't do any harm if dashd is already running.  |
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Even if he has a backup, if the server the node with 1k in the hot wallet's being hosted on is compromised, then theres practically no chance of them just sending the coins somewhere else(The attacker would send it to their wallet).
I'm out. This "discussion" is going nowhere. What's the point of trying to discuss issues with people who have no clue. |
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If the server the masternode was hosted on was compromised and the 1k in the hot wallet, then there'd be no moving the node.
Guess you've never backed up a wallet. |
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If the coins are held on the masternode and not a cold wallet, that masternode isnt reappearing anywhere. The gov can just take control of the servers the masternodes are hosted on.
Coins are stored in cold wallets. Nothing on the servers to take. Dont lie please. Cold wallet storage is optional, most masternodes probably still have the 1k dark in the hot wallets. ALL the how-to guides use hot/cold. I'd be willing to wager that there are fewer than 10 "hot" nodes. Tough to prove though. |
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If the coins are held on the masternode and not a cold wallet, that masternode isnt reappearing anywhere. The gov can just take control of the servers the masternodes are hosted on.
Coins are stored in cold wallets. Nothing on the servers to take. |
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Extremely big, yes.
I was too slow with my edit so I will repost here: ---------------------------- Hypothetical Situation: Coffee shop owner: "OK, that'll be .7865 DASH please. My address is Xkh65Rfk8... Me: "OK, sent." Coffee shop owner checks his wallet and .7865 DASH appear. Is his response A) "Thank you, come again" or B) "Can you cryptographically proof you sent me the funds?" That's fine when the business has large reputational constraints. Quite different when dealing with an actor who might be on the margins. Which would include most non brick and mortar businesses. That is to say if the reputational constraints are extremely dispraportionate than what you are discibing works fine. I.E. the difference in the value of starbucks reputation compared to the value of my reputation. However if the two parties are at all similar, than there exists a risk where if you accuse him of being dishonest, he can turn around and say no it was actually you who was dishonest, he is in a position to inflict equal damage to your reputation as you are to his. Cryptographic proof shows, atleast more clearly, who is in the right. When NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that ballpoint pens would not work in zero gravity. To combat the problem, NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion to develop a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, underwater, on almost any surface, and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to 300 degrees Celsius. The Russians used a pencil. Lets kill this false tale starting now http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-nasa-spen/. "Coffee shop owner" doesn't give a damn, he just wants to be paid promptly and efficiently. DASH payments using darksend (rename coming soon I hope) and instantx produce an untraceable transaction in 5 seconds. If the coffee shop owner keeps books listing his customers, he can check this transaction off as "paid". If he doesn't need to know who gave him payment... I love this, I can lie if it suits my purpose, If I get called out, I can claim I was being hyperbolic. 12 billion dollars, the entire Apollo program cost less than 20. Next time pick a better lie. wow. Should I have fully defined the words? <allegory> blah blah NASA blah </allegory> sheesh. |
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The government will have a hell of a easier time forcing masternode owners to give themselves in or just taking down the servers the masternodes are hosted on, than forcing users of Monero or Zerocash to do the same. It's a hell of a lot harder for the gov to do that to users of coins that dont utilize external masternodes to provide anonymity(monero).
If an evil Govt shut down a VPS, the same masternode can reappear in another country as soon as an instance is provisioned. Minutes or hours. No fuss, no muss. For non gov entities, I suppose finding another flaw in darksends rounds, or a flaw in masternodes themselves would be much more plausible.
What does that even mean? |
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Extremely big, yes.
I was too slow with my edit so I will repost here: ---------------------------- Hypothetical Situation: Coffee shop owner: "OK, that'll be .7865 DASH please. My address is Xkh65Rfk8... Me: "OK, sent." Coffee shop owner checks his wallet and .7865 DASH appear. Is his response A) "Thank you, come again" or B) "Can you cryptographically proof you sent me the funds?" That's fine when the business has large reputational constraints. Quite different when dealing with an actor who might be on the margins. Which would include most non brick and mortar businesses. That is to say if the reputational constraints are extremely dispraportionate than what you are discibing works fine. I.E. the difference in the value of starbucks reputation compared to the value of my reputation. However if the two parties are at all similar, than there exists a risk where if you accuse him of being dishonest, he can turn around and say no it was actually you who was dishonest, he is in a position to inflict equal damage to your reputation as you are to his. Cryptographic proof shows, atleast more clearly, who is in the right. When NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that ballpoint pens would not work in zero gravity. To combat the problem, NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion to develop a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, underwater, on almost any surface, and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to 300 degrees Celsius. The Russians used a pencil. Lets kill this false tale starting now http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-nasa-spen/Of course the story is not true, that wasn't my point. "Coffee shop owner" doesn't give a damn, he just wants to be paid promptly and efficiently. DASH payments using darksend (rename coming soon I hope) and instantx produce an untraceable transaction in 5 seconds. If the coffee shop owner keeps books listing his customers, he can check this transaction off as "paid". If he doesn't need to know who gave him payment... |
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Extremely big, yes.
I was too slow with my edit so I will repost here: ---------------------------- Hypothetical Situation: Coffee shop owner: "OK, that'll be .7865 DASH please. My address is Xkh65Rfk8... Me: "OK, sent." Coffee shop owner checks his wallet and .7865 DASH appear. Is his response A) "Thank you, come again" or B) "Can you cryptographically proof you sent me the funds?" That's fine when the business has large reputational constraints. Quite different when dealing with an actor who might be on the margins. Which would include most non brick and mortar businesses. That is to say if the reputational constraints are extremely dispraportionate than what you are discibing works fine. I.E. the difference in the value of starbucks reputation compared to the value of my reputation. However if the two parties are at all similar, than there exists a risk where if you accuse him of being dishonest, he can turn around and say no it was actually you who was dishonest, he is in a position to inflict equal damage to your reputation as you are to his. Cryptographic proof shows, atleast more clearly, who is in the right. When NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that ballpoint pens would not work in zero gravity. To combat the problem, NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion to develop a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, underwater, on almost any surface, and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to 300 degrees Celsius. The Russians used a pencil. |
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Extremely big, yes.
I was too slow with my edit so I will repost here: ---------------------------- Hypothetical Situation: Coffee shop owner: "OK, that'll be .7865 DASH please. My address is Xkh65Rfk8... Me: "OK, sent." Coffee shop owner checks his wallet and .7865 DASH appear. Is his response A) "Thank you, come again" or B) "Can you cryptographically proof you sent me the funds?" |
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...At this stage there are a series of major flaws that remain untouched because of ...
Can you elaborate on these major flaws? How do you cryptographically proof you made a payment if it has been send through darksend? You open your wallet, click on the transaction, and printscreen? Because you can't just make up a shitty screenshot? DRK where printscreen is considered to be cryptography.... What if the background image is really cool? Seriously, if address "Xkh65Rfk8..." requested funds and the blockchain says that "Xkh65Rfk8..." received funds what is the problem? Is this a major flaw? Hypothetical Situation: Coffee shop owner: "OK, that'll be .7865 DASH please. My address is Xkh65Rfk8... Me: "OK, sent." Coffee shop owner checks his wallet and .7865 DASH appear. Is his response A) "Thank you, come again" or B) "Can you cryptographically proof you sent me the funds?" |
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SNIP... You are blessed to be such a positive force in the world  You are gracious my dear. Positive... maybe, but oh so tiny.  maybe not so tiny... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=butterfly+effect"The scientific theory that a single occurence, no matter how small, can change the course of the universe forever. " |
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...At this stage there are a series of major flaws that remain untouched because of ...
Can you elaborate on these major flaws? How do you cryptographically proof you made a payment if it has been send through darksend? You open your wallet, click on the transaction, and printscreen? |
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...At this stage there are a series of major flaws that remain untouched because of ...
Can you elaborate on these major flaws? |
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Is there a DASH coin pic we can use, something like this, with the DASH logo or D from Dash, etc:
DASH is not a coin. That's so 2014. |
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Well, here's the end of my little story. I asked the monero shill for a little clarification: ---------------- It wasnt a name calling contest. It was a discussion of the tech.
really? Compare this statement: --------------------------- The problem that i see with dark is not necessarily whether it works or not. This criticism applies even if it does work. My big problem, and the reason I didn't buy it a long time ago even though I was shopping for anonymity focused projects, is that its just so god damn inelegant. Its like instead of approaching the problem from a fresh perspective and inventing something novel and clever, the devs decided to take the whack a mole approach. You whack the first problem over the head with a blunt instrument, this creates more problems, and you whack those over the head with another bunt instrument, thus creating more problems. The way i picture it in my head, and we see this in cartoons sometimes, someone is trying to stop a hose from spraying so they stick their thumb in the hole, the pressure builds up and water sprays out of another hole somewhere, and they stick their toe in that hole, then water erupts from somewhere else and they stick their other thumb in that hole. This is all I could picture in my head while hearing a description of dark for the first time.
Its just so god damned ugly. Maybe it works, but even if it does it's a vulgar solution to the problem, where as ring signatures and unlikable deterministic addresses is so beautiful and elegant and simple. Reading the white paper for the first time I was just struck with the beauty and elegance of the approach.
--------------------------- with this statement --------------------------- Coins need to be mixed so you guys implement coinjoin at the protocol level. But then you cant just have every random user hosting coinjoin sessions because then you would open an attack vector for troll coinjoin hosts so you make master nodes. But then you cant just have anyone joining in the coinjoin because you could dos by requesting transactions but not signing so you implement the idea of collateral to be part of the session. But then now you have no incentive for the masternodes to form so you give them part of the collateral. It wouldnt be mixed enough if you did this at the transaction level so you have the blockchain tumbling peoples coins all the time. This is ridiculously expensive so you greatly subsidize the darksend transactions inorder to hide the huge cost of anonymity in your system. Now you have to worry about people trying to send transactions to each other through darksend so you have to try to come up with some clever mechanism to avoid this problem.
Its just like I described in my post. Plugging up the first hole but then new ones appear so you try to plug those up. Its an analogy of course but, in my mind, its an apt one and there is certainly reasons behind it. it wasn't just senseless name calling.
see the difference? BTW, your revised explanation is VERY inaccurate. I am quite certain that it misses and misrepresents some of the details. But i think the general point that i was trying to make holds. And yes i guess you do have a point. Perhaps i could have explained more in the post, but it wasn't intended to get into all of the details, and i didn't want to make it too long. People dont read posts that are too long. I was prepared to explain my reasoning as soon as someone from drk challenged it. And that way it would be broken into a few smaller posts which might actually be read. No one ever challenged it though, which is, again, part of the reason i came soliciting in your thread. But again, i never acted like a troll in your thread. And the comment we are discussing was made in a place where it was appropriate. You guys should have MUCH thinker skins than you do. That doesn't really apply to you either. You seem pretty cool. So I responded: We've had to put up with a non-stop barrage of trolling from "you guys" in our thread. Look for yourself. Anything you can do to put a leash on some of your attack dogs would go a long way towards saving your trust rating. EDIT  I can't be held responsible for the actions of others in regards to your trust rating, but if you apologize...  smooth (the fair and balanced intellect that he is) came back with this gem: reminder: there is a button on the lower right that can be used to report off-topic posts.
Please use it when posts are actually off topic or otherwise violate forum rules (and only then)
Oh come on. You are kidding right? Report to moderators? Maybe if they are spamming uncontrollably. But how old are we? We are supposed to "taddle tale" on people to the "grown ups"? I know this thread is a whole lot of fun right now but let's not forget it has a purpose of discussing Monero. If the post isn't discussing Monero (could be positive or negative doesn't matter) it doesn't belong here. That's not just spamming but it could include spamming. EDIT: But if people will restrain themselves and not post off topic stuff such as a list of threads about another coin and talk of hypothetical abuse of the trust system obviously intended to intimidate, the moderators need not be bothered. --------------------------------------------------------- Sure enough, my post was deleted. |
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