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241  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Ethereum going to take over bitcoin in the upcoming months? on: March 25, 2017, 09:19:28 PM


More evidence that most alt coins are garbage.

http://valleywag.gawker.com/wolves-of-bitcoin-figured-out-a-nice-little-pump-and-1513537598
242  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Ethereum going to take over bitcoin in the upcoming months? on: March 25, 2017, 04:03:37 PM


do you just mean it's designed as early adopters massively make money, dump, and run?



Yes, it will be worthless stuff, they will dump and run, and some of you will be left holding the bag. As of right now, Bitcoin is the only real thing.

Okay. So if the currency is a scam, but the technology clearly is not a scam, how does one "invest" in the technology without the currency? That's ultimately what's happening, right? The technology is becoming popular, people want to invest, and the only viable method is the coin.

Etherum can be cloned, and another coin can handle contracts just like etherum could, and there may be a cap to how much etherum can become worth.

The other currencies, zcash, monero, dash, etc.., with their anonymous technology, which will be predominantly used by criminals to move cash, I don't believe will get a lot of momentum. I don't believe they will ever come close to the market cap bitcoin has achieved. Right now I see no rival. I am not saying there is no money to be made on those other currencies, I just think you have to be ontop of things and be ready to buy and sell in a instant or you may be left holding the bag. Too risky for me. I will stick with Bitcoin until something better comes along.

243  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Ethereum going to take over bitcoin in the upcoming months? on: March 25, 2017, 02:58:42 PM


do you just mean it's designed as early adopters massively make money, dump, and run?



Yes, it will be worthless stuff, they will dump and run, and some of you will be left holding the bag. As of right now, Bitcoin is the only real thing.
244  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Ethereum going to take over bitcoin in the upcoming months? on: March 25, 2017, 01:52:02 PM
Is Ethereum going to take over bitcoin in the upcoming months?




No, Etherum is a scam. Just like Dash, Monero, Zcash, and the rest. Stay away or you'll regret it.
245  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If Satoshi reveals himself, what would be of Bitcoin? on: March 25, 2017, 12:15:31 AM
Didn't some moron, like a year ago, claim to be satoshi? But it turned out it wasn't true right?
246  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Doge Coins on: March 25, 2017, 12:00:37 AM
Firstly, write coin name correctly, Dodge is a car, not a coin Cheesy
Dogecoin have unlimited supply and it's one of the reasons why this coin are very cheap. Doge are loosing their positions and don't have bright future. Price of coin can go up and down a bit, like today, but we can't expect anything more meaningful.

There, it's corrected Happy?
247  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin plunges currently at $929! on: March 24, 2017, 11:50:32 PM

some news stories are saying it's going to $735!. Wow!

This has been predicted for some time now $700-800 range.  There are forces which would like to see sub $500 to bring miners to their knees and a conclusion of the blocksize debate.

Some miners need to be kicked in the balls with steel toe boots.
248  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin plunges currently at $929! on: March 24, 2017, 11:38:33 PM

some news stories are saying it's going to $735!. Wow!
249  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitCoin 20 Years From Now on: March 24, 2017, 11:29:10 PM

I hope that bitcoin 20 years from now is worth at least U$250,000+
250  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin plunges currently at $929! on: March 24, 2017, 10:56:13 PM
This belongs on the Speculation board, or better yet just joining one of the already dozen or so existing threads in the Speculation section. Oh how I miss newbie jail.


oh just stop being a bad sport.
251  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin plunges currently at $929! on: March 24, 2017, 10:49:56 PM
My view is its that any needful dev will face the same impass as the blocksize debate, so people are looking elsewhere for solutions.

Dash has a dev consensus and insta send, but a huge issue will premine, However dash has hooked in the MN (miners of dev) to want to act in a unified manner by offering a % income which also has made coin scarcity.

Eth has not so big an issue. Though it did have its DOA debacle

Why would people come back to BTC?

It quite amazing to watch the BTC community squander billions in value. Eventually the miners will be left with bricks at this rate, and core or bu wont matter.

Yes, retarded!


I just can't figure why they can't come to some agreement instead of making a pissing contest.
252  Economy / Speculation / Bitcoin plunges currently at $929! on: March 24, 2017, 10:41:14 PM


What's causing this drop?
253  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Electro-Magnetic-Pulse on: March 24, 2017, 10:19:00 PM
A Electro-magnetic Pulse bomb would take out most of the technology if it;s all stored on the surface of the earth. There is many computer servers that are underground in places like Antarctica for example...That is why you don't see as much images of the things in Antarctica on Google Earth because they've relocated what they needed to move underground.

Bitcoin could survive that attack, there would only be a few people using the platform.

If bitmain were destroyed, Bitcoin would still survive.
254  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dodge Coins on: March 24, 2017, 10:03:34 PM
You are talking about Doge right?

And you probably mean to ask if the price of 1 Doge will ever rise to something significant?

I don't think so, just check the total number of Doge currently in circulation and the number of Doge that still have to be mined.
Aside from that, look at what the project actually does. Does it offer any sort of functionality that other coins currently do not offer or does it do something better than other coins?

yes, I was referring to the price of one doge coin. In my opinion, the major reason why it won't be worth much is because there is no limit to the mining. there will always be gazillions of them to be mined, so how could the price go up on them???
255  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Doge Coins on: March 24, 2017, 03:46:09 PM
Does  Doge coin have any chance of ever becoming worth anything, or does it just lack the fundamentals to do so??
256  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is Bitcoin in a bubble right now? on: March 23, 2017, 07:45:03 PM


Considering the tighter China regulations, the possible upcoming fork, and the rejection of the etf, could it be that bitcoin can actually go down to th $700-800 and settle there?

What do you guys think?
No, the bubble was a little while ago out of the ETF hype (which wouldn't have made people invest straight away anyway).  I think that Bitcoin's price is going to be pretty stable around this price unless a hard fork is imminent in which case it might drop to a minimum of what it was before all of these huge price increases started happening (around early December).


What's the forecast / target price for BTC by the end of this year then??
257  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Satoshi... ? on: March 23, 2017, 07:14:37 PM
Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these?

I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion.

But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe...

The reality is that there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Satoshi is dead. Logic dictates that the reason why Satoshi won't give his opinion on current Bitcoin affairs is, because there is no way of him doing so credibly and remaining anonymous, which was his original intention.
258  Economy / Speculation / Is Bitcoin in a bubble right now? on: March 23, 2017, 07:00:26 PM


Considering the tighter China regulations, the possible upcoming fork, and the rejection of the etf, could it be that bitcoin can actually go down to th $700-800 and settle there?

What do you guys think?
259  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / How I am helping Bitmain destroy Bitcoin on: March 22, 2017, 11:57:37 PM
copied from reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5odgs0/how_i_am_helping_bitmain_destroy_bitcoin/?st=j0lmnsmi&sh=cbcff9c7

Just before Christmas, I finally decided to start mining Bitcoin, mainly because my basement is cold enough right now that I could plausibly explain my behavior to my wife.
I bought a used Antminer S7. There aren't a lot of options out there these days if you are in the market for a reasonably priced basement heater that sounds like a shopvac trying to suck up a grapefruit...
Bitmain has emerged as a major threat to the decentralization of Bitcoin. They control too much of the production of mining hardware. They control too much of the hashpower.
I know very little about China, but I remember a podcast from a couple of years ago about how big business works there, and it matches my observations.
Basically, the way it works in China is you throw all of your money at growing your business into a near monopoly. Once you win the war of attrition and all of your significant competitors are bankrupt -- then you can start thinking about turning a profit. Until then it's all losses.
Here is an example from the solar panel industry:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/03/23/china-might-stop-providing-the-world-with-cheap-solar-panels/?utm_term=.b98720f61db1
Recall this quote from KNC Mining:
We have tried to calculate the amount of money that the Chinese have invested in mining, we estimate it to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Even with free electricity we cannot see how they will ever get this money back. Either they don’t know what they are doing, but that is not very likely at this scale or they have some secret advantage that we don’t know about. - Sam Cole, KNC CEO
It seems likely that Jihan Wu's strategy is for his company to, for all practical purposes, become the source of all of bitcoin's hashpower, and one way or another, collect all of the transaction fees.
If that is the strategy, a couple of things start to make sense:
The core developers are a major threat to Bitmain's dominance, because they can code a way out from them if they become abusively rent-seeking or an obvious threat to decentralization, or begin censoring transactions at the request of the Comunist Party. The core developers are the only group in position to credibly lead an initiative to change the POW algorithm for example.
The lightning network is an important competitor for fees, and a threat to censorship which must be strangled in the crib. All of the fees must be paid to Bitmain, and it is intolerable for lightning nodes to siphon off fees. All transactions must be subject to a veto from Bitmain -- opaque batching is a no-no.
Threats to centralization are irrelevant. Bitmain's ambition is to deal with the trust problem by winning and controlling the hash-power. Not by cultivating a decentralized ecosystem and separation of power. For the rest of us, well we have to trust Jihan to act in our best interest.
Blocks are going to need to be bigger. MUCH bigger, so that Bitmain can process more and more of the world's transactions and get a larger and larger amount of fees. Your ability to run a full node on your home computer is not a priority.
The Chinese government probably doesn't have any problem with this, and possibly is throwing money at Bitmain to make it happen. After all, they will ultimately be able to steer Bitmain, and therefore Bitcoin, in whatever direction is beneficial to the Communist Party.
How are my conspiracy theory skillz?
Another thing to think about. The big block crowd has for a long time used discussion in ways that remind me of the pro-Trump propaganda that flooded Reddit for the past year. (e.g. name-calling, accusations, speaking to passions, black-and-white thinking, thought narrowing labels) To the big blocker guys who may be reading, I'm sure I sound like a suppressive person. :-) I wouldn't want to accuse all of you of being paid shills. Even if we know that Roger Ver appreciates the power of incentivizing social proof so much that he is developing tools to help shills get paid in clever and innovative ways.
Edit:

This got a little more attention than I thought and I want to soften my stance somewhat.
This is speculation on my part. I don't know what Bitmain's strategy is. They may have pretty benign plans.
It isn't my desire to bash Bitmain or say they are a bad company or lead by bad people. Indeed, I am helping them in a small way by propping up the secondary market for their products. I don't condemn myself for that; I don't condemn them for trying to be the #1 ASIC manufacturer.
I'm very glad Bitmain is in business, making high quality bitcoin miners, and selling them to the public.
I hope I don't come off sounding critical of Chinese culture. I'm sure there are things about Chinese culture worth criticizing, just as there are things about American culture worth criticizing, but I know very little about Chinese culture and am not interested in making judgments about it. As has been pointed out in this thread, the attrition strategy is not unique to Chinese companies -- it is inherent in the economics of competing companies. It is my impression that for whatever reason (cultural/regulatory/legal/political...whatever) the attrition strategy is more widespread or pronounced in China than it is in the USA.
Ultimately, moral tools (e.g. praise and blame, trying to modify desires) are going to be too weak to create the strong foundation Bitcoin needs. What we need is good game theory, diffusion of power, and opponent processes pushing on each other with negative feedback loops dampening the system to stability.
I originally wanted to buy an Antminer R4, which was billed as quiet. They sell out quickly, leading me to believe that an under-served market exists for home mining. A lot of people have cold basements. A quiet miner pulling 1200 watts in a non-hideous housing for about $500-$1000 would find a niche. Bonus points if the hashing boards can be pulled out and upgraded each winter.
260  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: In what situation would Bitcoin die? on: March 22, 2017, 11:47:27 PM
How and why would the end of bitcoin (and any other cryptocurrency) occur? Value decrease? Legality issues? Different technology/ideas to supersede it?


There are too many scenarios in which bitcoin or any valuable asset could die for that matter.  I think right now the biggest threat to bitcoin is bitmain.
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