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281  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers on: May 21, 2016, 06:44:20 PM
https://yobit.net/en/trade/LISK/BTC

Current price of LSK is $5.15 or 1,250,000 satoshi.
I have been following the price on Yobit and two others, Bloombit and then on Openledger, and the disparity is huge. Is a question, of course, of legitimacy of the LISK these sites got in the ICO? Not sure if all 3 were verified to be holding (someone jump in here please) but I think I read something regarding Yobit as actually having purchased them in the ICO.
Openledger's prices in LISK, at least right now appear to be in BTS, when I click on BTC LISK price, it is blank.

.0135 on Yobit
.0018 on Bloombit
That is a 750% difference? What is going on here? I like LISK but I really have to question Yobits price, or is it the other 2? lol

Opinions here would be interesting...
282  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: LISK price speculation on: May 21, 2016, 03:26:24 PM
what is the speculation price at the moment ?

About $3.70 on Yobit, which is much higher than the other two sites. https://yobit.net/en/trade/LISK/BTC/
There is a huge difference:

$0.88 on Bloombit
$1.21 on OpenLedger
$3.70 on Yobit

I would say it safe to assume Yobit does not give us much insight into the possible price; market maker(s) just having some fun on there.

I said "much higher" regarding the price. I wasn't trying to deceive.
Maybe instead of just looking at the price, what about perceived safety of trading there? That might be a part of things. I won't touch Bloombit and am unfamiliar with OpenLedger.
What about volume and how much of it is real (across the board.) We don't really know. I can't easily read the volume on Bloombit, but in general the volume doesn't seem huge anywhere.

Not saying the price is accurate, but we don't know what is really going on here. Is it market makers or people from the the actual ICO's?
I guess we will find out soon enough. There does seem to be a lot of Hype with LISK...
Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest you were trying to deceive.

You make some good points regarding trustability and there is certainly a lot of hype.

I'm sticking with my 'up to $0.50' prediction for now, but happy to be wrong.

If LISK is at .50, that would be a huge success. I can't imagine people are buying LISK on Yobit and not any on the other two exchanges as why not just hedge their bets?
283  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: LISK price speculation on: May 21, 2016, 11:19:19 AM
what is the speculation price at the moment ?

About $3.70 on Yobit, which is much higher than the other two sites. https://yobit.net/en/trade/LISK/BTC/
There is a huge difference:

$0.88 on Bloombit
$1.21 on OpenLedger
$3.70 on Yobit

I would say it safe to assume Yobit does not give us much insight into the possible price; market maker(s) just having some fun on there.

I said "much higher" regarding the price. I wasn't trying to deceive.
Maybe instead of just looking at the price, what about perceived safety of trading there? That might be a part of things. I won't touch Bloombit and am unfamiliar with OpenLedger.
What about volume and how much of it is real (across the board.) We don't really know. I can't easily read the volume on Bloombit, but in general the volume doesn't seem huge anywhere.

Not saying the price is accurate, but we don't know what is really going on here. Is it market makers or people from the the actual ICO's?
I guess we will find out soon enough. There does seem to be a lot of Hype with LISK...
284  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WAVES. Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: May 21, 2016, 10:54:09 AM
Wait, if I invest 1 btc, how much Waves will I got? Can somebody calculate?

(Total BTC invested in the ICO + 1240) BTC = 85 million Waves

And you will need to add bonuses.


The ICO page now shows 9633 BTC raised, so it makes 1 BTC = 7818 Waves. If that BTC was deposited in the first day, let's say, we should add 20% to 7818. And tomorrow, that 9633 will increase because of the new investments, so the equation will change accordingly.

Your description makes much more sense (and is much more accurate) than that spreadsheet. (I am not meaning to be critical of the spreadsheet, just sharing.)
285  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WAVES. Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: May 21, 2016, 10:52:22 AM
I am a bit confused by these numbers. For example, if I put in .75 BTC on 4/26 and .25 BTC on 5/9, according to your graph I should have gotten, respectively, around 11,303 (=.75/.00006635) + 2731.9 (=0.25/00009151) = 14034, but I see 9580 LISK. 4454 are missing, around 46% off. Something is very off here.

Have I made a mistake or what is wrong here?

Thanks in advance,
IAS

Nope you cant see any LISK there Grin

As more BTC is invested in ICO = number of WAVES in your wallet will be lower.
But less quantity (number of WAVES) = more value (higher price).

The numbers are off across the board though. At one time they should have been correct and according to my screenshots, never were.
I mean what is the point of having a spreadsheet showing the amounts if I have not found them to be true a - at the time of purchase, b - later on and c - right now?
286  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: LISK price speculation on: May 21, 2016, 10:17:26 AM
what is the speculation price at the moment ?

About $3.70 on Yobit, which is much higher than the other two sites. https://yobit.net/en/trade/LISK/BTC/
287  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WAVES. Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: May 21, 2016, 10:09:55 AM
Guys, I made a big update of my worksheet.

Now, price includes bonus.

Please, have a look and confirm or not my calculs are corrects.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-G1LMDjAX9roVJDuhVewGG_pykSLIprWAElwO-6TcRA/edit?usp=docslist_api

I am a bit confused by these numbers. For example, if I put in .75 BTC on 4/26 and .25 BTC on 5/9, according to your graph I should have gotten, respectively, around 11,303 (=.75/.00006635) + 2731.9 (=0.25/00009151) = 14034, but I see 9580 LISK. 4454 are missing, around 46% off. Something is very off here.

Have I made a mistake or what is wrong here?

Thanks in advance,
IAS
288  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: LISK price speculation on: May 20, 2016, 10:16:10 PM
Do you guys think the recent re-surge of ETH will help or hurt LISK at launch?

HUGE HUGE HELP. Really, that is just bringing attention to the space. LISK looks very legit by everything I've been able to find so many many Ethereum people will want to, if nothing else, hedge their bets. LISK is like the little train that could, really. In a very very good position. I just hope BTC keeps going sideways in the meantime.
But if ETH consolidates its position before LISK launches, wouldn't people have less incentive to buy LISK instead of ETH? These things have strong first-moved advantages.

Also, why do you want BTC to go sideways in the meantime? What's going to happen if BTC rallies too?

I see LISK as a hedge, competitor and compliment to Ethereum. Many are buying Ethereum in a similar way to BTC (hedge).

I wanted to see BTC go sideways as there is often a gold/usd like inverse relationship it seems, meaning BTC up, ETH down. People often go to an alt from btc and not usd, due to taxes. If BTC is just going sideways as the ICO's are going public, attention is not drawn away but rather to the "alts".

I see your point, but LISK will have a long way to go before people look at it as a hedge against ETH. Not saying it can't or won't happen, just that it is a long way away.

The relationship between alts and BTC isn't holding strong the last few months. Do you not feel that this inverse relationship is kinda breaking down? It has been +ve and -ve throughout - sometimes +ve for alts when BTC rallies as it legitimizes the whole space.

If I saw something as promising as LISK coming and I was a large holder of another crypto, I would get the appropriate when the price was in it's relatively early days. The question is, how well does one understand it? It doesn't take a deep understanding nor a tremendous amount of research, that something might be brewing here. Very promising I have to say.

Yeah, fair enough, there is a decoupling taking place between the alts and Bitcoin. We still see the LTC follow and we still (often) see opposite moves. But we are seeing more moves against the grain. As Ethereum shows us what it can do, that will just add more separation (up or down). I think as more USD to Crypto exchanges (basically a lot of existing exchanges taking cash for ETH, XMR, LISK, DAO, etc.) are here, we are going to see more of this as they will continue to move from BTC/X ratio and instead to USD. There will be some interaction between it all though. We are witnessing an evolution there. Virus of sorts.
289  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: LISK price speculation on: May 20, 2016, 10:09:24 PM
Do you guys think the recent re-surge of ETH will help or hurt LISK at launch?

HUGE HUGE HELP. Really, that is just bringing attention to the space. LISK looks very legit by everything I've been able to find so many many Ethereum people will want to, if nothing else, hedge their bets. LISK is like the little train that could, really. In a very very good position. I just hope BTC keeps going sideways in the meantime.
But if ETH consolidates its position before LISK launches, wouldn't people have less incentive to buy LISK instead of ETH? These things have strong first-moved advantages.

Also, why do you want BTC to go sideways in the meantime? What's going to happen if BTC rallies too?

I see LISK as a hedge, competitor and compliment to Ethereum. Many are buying Ethereum in a similar way to BTC (hedge).

I wanted to see BTC go sideways as there is often a gold/usd like inverse relationship it seems, meaning BTC up, ETH down. People often go to an alt from btc and not usd, due to taxes. If BTC is just going sideways as the ICO's are going public, attention is not drawn away but rather to the "alts".

I'm not sure if Eth holders will hedge in Bitcoin, it is dead tech controlled by one person (theymos). LISK is the only real viable alternative.

Bitcoin is so much bigger than Thymos. Not even an issue. Sure Ethereum does more, etc. but in a way, there in lies the problem. Bitcoin, as good as Ethereum may be, is right now proven and has an entire community behind it, including quite a few computer scientists. Doesn't mean it will win and it really doesn't matter, but we should confuse a do it all in Ethereum, with something that focuses primarily on being, for lack of a better word, money (or value).

LISK, has a long long way to go. But for sure it will be interesting. This whole space is going to explode.
290  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: LISK price speculation on: May 19, 2016, 10:22:13 PM
Do you guys think the recent re-surge of ETH will help or hurt LISK at launch?

HUGE HUGE HELP. Really, that is just bringing attention to the space. LISK looks very legit by everything I've been able to find so many many Ethereum people will want to, if nothing else, hedge their bets. LISK is like the little train that could, really. In a very very good position. I just hope BTC keeps going sideways in the meantime.
But if ETH consolidates its position before LISK launches, wouldn't people have less incentive to buy LISK instead of ETH? These things have strong first-moved advantages.

Also, why do you want BTC to go sideways in the meantime? What's going to happen if BTC rallies too?

I see LISK as a hedge, competitor and compliment to Ethereum. Many are buying Ethereum in a similar way to BTC (hedge).

I wanted to see BTC go sideways as there is often a gold/usd like inverse relationship it seems, meaning BTC up, ETH down. People often go to an alt from btc and not usd, due to taxes. If BTC is just going sideways as the ICO's are going public, attention is not drawn away but rather to the "alts".
291  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: May 19, 2016, 05:49:24 PM
When will LISK be available on some exchanges?
Not on May 24th or yes?  Shocked
292  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][slock.it][Company] IoT meets blockchain - A TheDAO proposal on: May 19, 2016, 12:32:33 PM
I went all in DAO some week ago. It is hard to resist a 50/50 chance lottery.
It looks like i got in at the right time anyway before ETH took off.

Now it is time to just sit back and hope for the best.

I was planing to buy ETH for DAO yesterday and the price went up.
ETH sure made it right this time. If DAO will be widely use in the future as a token to invest on projects, DAO will also have higher value too which we all want.

how can the DAO coin get a higher value as the the amount of ETH it has collected to fund their projects?

when DAO is fund, so the value of the DAO coin will be the sum of the ETH its holding.


I imagine profits from projects invested in get reinvested into the DAO. And I read there was a bit more to it (Something about business IOU's - not sure there.). There is also pure speculative value (sort of like a PE ratio).
293  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][slock.it][Company] IoT meets blockchain - A TheDAO proposal on: May 18, 2016, 08:41:40 PM
My Goodness already 147M and counting  Roll Eyes

It is an insane amount. It is a fair % of all the ETH in existence actually.
The Question is, how many ETH will remain there? Due to the split you can take them out (as long as you haven't voted I think.)
My bet is that for a while, most will remain there but this is new tech, hard to really wrap your head around the ideas and possibilities.

Its about sharing
294  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WAVES. Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: May 18, 2016, 08:26:35 PM


FACT: The coin price of largest ICOs has dropped by 60% on average upon launch on exchanges.

Conclusion: Skip buying WAVES ICO and buy cheap WAVES after it launches on exchanges in next 2 to 3 weeks




FACT - You are a member 5 days
Conclusion - You are posting out of self interest.

 Grin
295  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WAVES. Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: May 18, 2016, 08:25:31 PM
sėgnal / noise ratio in this thread is extremely low.

Hope this improves when signature campaign ends

What do you mean signal/noise ratio?

Taken from science, but here is a simple and effective definition and great example lol.
The ratio of useful information to useless information in any given statement.
George W Bush has a very low signal to noise ratio.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=signal%20to%20noise%20ratio
296  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: LISK price speculation on: May 18, 2016, 06:06:20 PM
Do you guys think the recent re-surge of ETH will help or hurt LISK at launch?

HUGE HUGE HELP. Really, that is just bringing attention to the space. LISK looks very legit by everything I've been able to find so many many Ethereum people will want to, if nothing else, hedge their bets. LISK is like the little train that could, really. In a very very good position. I just hope BTC keeps going sideways in the meantime.
297  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: May 18, 2016, 10:39:36 AM

Amazing. I get the feeling more of Wall St. and such want in on ETH  than on BTC (as the latter is still a bit stigmatised.)
It is amazing you don't understand the real reason behind. Wall St understand quite well that ETH is not a threat to their parasitic business. BTC is their real enemy.

Pretty much and I don't think Wall st. likes to be #2 to anything. They can take ETH where they want to. Let the techies do their thing and Wall St. the marketing.
Still think BTC is going to be huge, just a different animal.
298  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: May 18, 2016, 09:40:28 AM
on coinmarketscap today, ETH dollar volume is nearly 60 percent of BTC dollar volume : increasing slowly...!


Amazing. I get the feeling more of Wall St. and such want in on ETH  than on BTC (as the latter is still a bit stigmatised.)

Any word on Ethereum capping the emission some after going to POS or are the plans to keep the emission high?
I just can't imagine they do keep them high, it dilutes everyone and is not really a help keeping gas prices low. (Can just adjust those)
299  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WAVES. Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: May 18, 2016, 09:35:34 AM
I know I am a very small fish here, but I really wish I don't up with less than 1k Waves by the end of ICO.
Any other small investors like me here ?

Maybe you are small compared to most here (though most on this site are not in WAVES) but you are large compared to all those people who are not even in BTC yet. You are an early adopter. Be patient, diversify and ride the...
300  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: LISK price speculation on: May 18, 2016, 07:46:41 AM
Hey guys, what was the ico price?

I'm not very sure but x  1 BTC were about 5500 LISK aprox.  At $430 price x BTC aprox. it does .078 usd......

Edit:  In other words 8 cents.

With the 10% bonus (when I got in) at 1 BTC I will get a total of 6,519.20 of LISK. So yeah $1 would be huge. $10 would be great

but then again the 'shock' would kill my fragile body and I'd not be able to enjoy it Sad

So at 10c a lisk say it would still be good compared to say a stock purchase of such as a comparison.

Anyway 'trying to" keep my expectations 'low' ..... last time I felt this way I was asked to dance by the hottest girl in the school....

(I told a Teacher off ..that was out of line towards her and the class).....was pretty much just as confused then on what was gonna happen next. Smiley

(yeah...just got the dance..but what the heck a win is a win) Smiley

So I could live with 10c I guess per Lisk at the start...I only got in 1 BTC total anyway Smiley

Between $0,50 and $ 1,20 is where it all starts

what if the price of bitcoin increase? it would be higher right? more toward $2, with the halving coming all other alt will see an increase in value, and those that are pumped even better

It seems more times than not, "alts" adjust down against BTC moves up. Not always though e.g. LTC often movies up hard with BTC moves.
So, if BTC breaks out of this triangle and to $1200, I would bet the ICO coins would (mostly) keep parity in USD, not BTC/alt ratio. (in general, there will be exceptions.)
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