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BITMAIN are you here ? is it true ? L3+ became a doorstop ? hahahah
Income: $2.52/ day El cost: $1.91/day at $0.10/ KWh Profit : $0.61/day
If you pay administrations fees in the farm as 99% of the farms ask then there is no profit you pay from your pocket. If you are in Europe you already disconnected and you use the L3+ as doorstop
What a nice investment ...... watch out you will not have space in your house to put so much money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Congrats BITAMAIN
I resemble this remark...right now I'm collecting whatever LTC 'dust' I can before likely shutting off the L3+'s in the coming weeks https://bitcoinwisdom.com/litecoin/difficulty has litecoin difficulty rising on next hop above 4% and rising with 2.8 days to go...which leads me to believe that ONLY Bitmain can affect the difficulty at this rate...thus they are likely filling up more data halls with the 'supposed' 1.5gh units ... Not looking good indeed... my current on an L3+ after electric and data hall fees is Negative 6c a day....(this is in data hall w/elec and rent on monthly at $113 LTC) thus, we are screwed indeed it seems again, always use the 'cardboard' box the L3+'s came in...make them much more 'slick' to use as doorstops....less friction moving them about.... (gonna have to add more doors.....a lot of more doors....) ack! Don't forget INNOSILICON there larking in the Dark unnoticed and part of the problem and making a ton . http://www.innosilicon.com/Plus mining with there gear while they sell the new stuff as new so far that is new. I refuse to believe there not mining either at this point in the game . they may not be pulling the same under handed shit but main does with gear but there just as bad if not worse an sneaker about it . let the trolls start . .sigh .....
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May 29, 2018, 11:22:05 AM |
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BITMAIN are you here ? is it true ? L3+ became a doorstop ? hahahah
Income: $2.52/ day El cost: $1.91/day at $0.10/ KWh Profit : $0.61/day
If you pay administrations fees in the farm as 99% of the farms ask then there is no profit you pay from your pocket. If you are in Europe you already disconnected and you use the L3+ as doorstop
What a nice investment ...... watch out you will not have space in your house to put so much money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Congrats BITAMAIN
lol. GPUs are more profitable lol.
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Sandal_Hat
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May 29, 2018, 11:22:46 AM |
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BITMAIN are you here ? is it true ? L3+ became a doorstop ? hahahah
Income: $2.52/ day El cost: $1.91/day at $0.10/ KWh Profit : $0.61/day
If you pay administrations fees in the farm as 99% of the farms ask then there is no profit you pay from your pocket. If you are in Europe you already disconnected and you use the L3+ as doorstop
What a nice investment ...... watch out you will not have space in your house to put so much money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Congrats BITAMAIN
I resemble this remark...right now I'm collecting whatever LTC 'dust' I can before likely shutting off the L3+'s in the coming weeks https://bitcoinwisdom.com/litecoin/difficulty has litecoin difficulty rising on next hop above 4% and rising with 2.8 days to go...which leads me to believe that ONLY Bitmain can affect the difficulty at this rate...thus they are likely filling up more data halls with the 'supposed' 1.5gh units ... Not looking good indeed... my current on an L3+ after electric and data hall fees is Negative 6c a day....(this is in data hall w/elec and rent on monthly at $113 LTC) thus, we are screwed indeed it seems again, always use the 'cardboard' box the L3+'s came in...make them much more 'slick' to use as doorstops....less friction moving them about.... (gonna have to add more doors.....a lot of more doors....) ack! Don't forget INNOSILICON there larking in the Dark unnoticed and part of the problem and making a ton . http://www.innosilicon.com/Plus mining with there gear while they sell the new stuff as new so far that is new. I refuse to believe there not mining either at this point in the game . they may not be pulling the same under handed shit but main does with gear but there just as bad if not worse an sneaker about it . let the trolls start . .sigh ..... Innosilicon prices are not worth it. And it is a nightmare to order their products from wat i read.
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May 29, 2018, 01:23:05 PM Last edit: May 29, 2018, 01:50:33 PM by toptek12 |
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lol. GPUs are more profitable lol.
A lot more profitable. I bought two L3 + in March, worse mistake i made in a while my three GPU rigs make more i should have bought two Vega 56's in stead . from what i see buying there new L4 or whatever they call it won't be worth the 1.5, 2 or 3k they may charge for it used unless it does some thing like 3 or 4 GH/S because 1.5 GH won't last long an is just another Ripe Job coming selling them at 1.5, 2 or 3 k @ 1.5 GH . it also depends on how much power that 1.5 GH miner uses it can possible be worse. 1.5 GH 7 bucks a day no power usage added on 3 GH 16 bucks a day no power usage added on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we don't know yet what the power usage is. 4 GH 22 bucks a day no power usage added on but the fools will pay it thinking they got some thing me included, I hope i don't and unless the community as a whole fights back, butmain will keep doing it . Plus no one should be fooled into to thinking it cost them a ton to make gear,it doesn't .
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May 30, 2018, 12:33:52 AM |
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lol. GPUs are more profitable lol.
A lot more profitable. I bought two L3 + in March, worse mistake i made in a while my three GPU rigs make more i should have bought two Vega 56's in stead . from what i see buying there new L4 or whatever they call it won't be worth the 1.5, 2 or 3k they may charge for it used unless it does some thing like 3 or 4 GH/S because 1.5 GH won't last long an is just another Ripe Job coming selling them at 1.5, 2 or 3 k @ 1.5 GH . it also depends on how much power that 1.5 GH miner uses it can possible be worse. 1.5 GH 7 bucks a day no power usage added on 3 GH 16 bucks a day no power usage added on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we don't know yet what the power usage is. 4 GH 22 bucks a day no power usage added on but the fools will pay it thinking they got some thing me included, I hope i don't and unless the community as a whole fights back, butmain will keep doing it . Plus no one should be fooled into to thinking it cost them a ton to make gear,it doesn't . currently getting below on an L3+ at 500mh and 800 watts from Bitmain 8c a day! Living the dream! This is on $119 LTC. 24 hours 0.02325045 LTC 2.77 USD 2.69 USD 0.08 USD 7 days 0.16275318 LTC 19.37 USD 18.82 USD 0.55 USD 30 days 0.69751362 LTC 83.00 USD 80.64 USD 2.36 USD
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May 30, 2018, 02:38:45 AM |
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lol. GPUs are more profitable lol.
A lot more profitable. I bought two L3 + in March, worse mistake i made in a while my three GPU rigs make more i should have bought two Vega 56's in stead . from what i see buying there new L4 or whatever they call it won't be worth the 1.5, 2 or 3k they may charge for it used unless it does some thing like 3 or 4 GH/S because 1.5 GH won't last long an is just another Ripe Job coming selling them at 1.5, 2 or 3 k @ 1.5 GH . it also depends on how much power that 1.5 GH miner uses it can possible be worse. 1.5 GH 7 bucks a day no power usage added on 3 GH 16 bucks a day no power usage added on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we don't know yet what the power usage is. 4 GH 22 bucks a day no power usage added on but the fools will pay it thinking they got some thing me included, I hope i don't and unless the community as a whole fights back, butmain will keep doing it . Plus no one should be fooled into to thinking it cost them a ton to make gear,it doesn't . Yep and GPU has a floor profit so to speak, because they cannot decrease the cost of gpu by too much. Their profit margins arent that high. They cant lower the price by 70% or halve the price. Not possible. My worry is whatever gear is bought, asics can have the price lowered by a good 50-70%, increasing sales for the manufacturer but killing off profit and ROI for current owners. For example the E3 was once sold at 800 usd. It is now around 1.8k usd I think. They can lower it to 800 USD and that increases difficulty greatly for everyone. It gives far lower profits for the 1.8k usd buyers. For the S9 and L3, i think part of the reason for the lower price is due to new competition.
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June 03, 2018, 08:20:57 AM |
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Update
Income: $2.88/ day El cost: $1.89/day at $0.10/ KWh Profit : $0.98/day
Without the monthly administration fees of the farm....
BITMAIN THE KILLER OF THE COINS
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June 03, 2018, 12:35:29 PM |
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Update
Income: $2.88/ day El cost: $1.89/day at $0.10/ KWh Profit : $0.98/day
Without the monthly administration fees of the farm....
BITMAIN THE KILLER OF THE COINS
No, its the GREED kill it
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June 03, 2018, 07:17:25 PM |
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Running any number of L3+ noise makers and want to make them more efficient to extend it's useful life as a heater versus a doorstop? Heave a look at this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3546316.0
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June 03, 2018, 07:41:41 PM |
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Well just to be consistent...what I'm getting now as of 6/3/18. Bitmain L3+ 500mh 800 watts at $124.50 LTC at USA average of Summer Rates of 12c kwh now 72c per day per L3+ 24 hours 0.02430191 LTC 3.03 USD 2.30 USD 0.72 USD 7 days 0.17011338 LTC 21.18 USD 16.13 USD 5.05 USD 30 days 0.72905735 LTC 90.77 USD 69.12 USD 21.65 USD Hardly inspiring, but what the heck..it is some progress. I still think my end date for shutting off the L3+ miners (16 equiv L3+ in hash) will be July 4th, 2018...just can't see it being pushed any farther. brad Have not gotten around to doing these mods yet. Will take me a couple weeks. But of course this should improve your bottom line somewhat and stall doorstop status.
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June 03, 2018, 08:03:47 PM |
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Difficulty has been dropping lately. Maybe due to GameCredits being more profitable to mine at the moment or Bitmain turning off some of their machines in attempt to keep the L3+ appear profitable so they can dump their remaining stock.
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June 04, 2018, 12:29:15 AM |
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Difficulty has been dropping lately. Maybe due to GameCredits being more profitable to mine at the moment or Bitmain turning off some of their machines in attempt to keep the L3+ appear profitable so they can dump their remaining stock.
lol highly doubt that...more like thousands of people paying more than 10 cents electricity turning off their machines.
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June 04, 2018, 12:32:28 AM |
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lol. GPUs are more profitable lol.
A lot more profitable. I bought two L3 + in March, worse mistake i made in a while my three GPU rigs make more i should have bought two Vega 56's in stead . from what i see buying there new L4 or whatever they call it won't be worth the 1.5, 2 or 3k they may charge for it used unless it does some thing like 3 or 4 GH/S because 1.5 GH won't last long an is just another Ripe Job coming selling them at 1.5, 2 or 3 k @ 1.5 GH . it also depends on how much power that 1.5 GH miner uses it can possible be worse. 1.5 GH 7 bucks a day no power usage added on 3 GH 16 bucks a day no power usage added on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we don't know yet what the power usage is. 4 GH 22 bucks a day no power usage added on but the fools will pay it thinking they got some thing me included, I hope i don't and unless the community as a whole fights back, butmain will keep doing it . Plus no one should be fooled into to thinking it cost them a ton to make gear,it doesn't . Best post I've read in here in a long time. This guy "gets it". Set your metrics and STICK with them. Mine....If I can't recoup my investment in 6 months or less on ASIC, I DON'T BUY. In reality, 6 months is at the extreme end of my comfort level. I have only bought 1 or 2 units at that end of my tolerance. Sure some people say...." 6 MONTHS?! That's an amazing return on investment compared to other businesses!". Well....this isn't like other businesses. For the very reasons our friend pointed out in this post. The harsh truth is, he's right. Even the newer releases will not be overly compelling. Unless you are going at huge scale. By that I mean 1000 units or more. Prediction; A LOT of people and groups that are "all in" on mining and expanding and scaling at too fast a pace will be going broke in the next 6-12 months. There are TONS of entities, that are bringing in investors and "fast money" to finance their dreams. They pay WAY to much for infrastructure, WAY too much for Hardware and WAY too much for RMA. Their bodies will soon be all over the place. Soon people will talk about mining with the same disdain as they talk about cancer. Then and only THEN, will it be time to get into mining. Mark my words....
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June 04, 2018, 01:38:32 AM |
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Difficulty has been dropping lately. Maybe due to GameCredits being more profitable to mine at the moment or Bitmain turning off some of their machines in attempt to keep the L3+ appear profitable so they can dump their remaining stock.
lol highly doubt that...more like thousands of people paying more than 10 cents electricity turning off their machines. Yep, it is probably people turning it off. It is the same as dash. If u see dash difficulty, it goes up and down alot according to prices. But Bitmain is still selling these cheap and there will always be new buyers when price spike and difficulty has not spiked yet. This makes it look profitable during that short period....
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Searing
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June 04, 2018, 04:54:48 AM |
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lol. GPUs are more profitable lol.
A lot more profitable. I bought two L3 + in March, worse mistake i made in a while my three GPU rigs make more i should have bought two Vega 56's in stead . from what i see buying there new L4 or whatever they call it won't be worth the 1.5, 2 or 3k they may charge for it used unless it does some thing like 3 or 4 GH/S because 1.5 GH won't last long an is just another Ripe Job coming selling them at 1.5, 2 or 3 k @ 1.5 GH . it also depends on how much power that 1.5 GH miner uses it can possible be worse. 1.5 GH 7 bucks a day no power usage added on 3 GH 16 bucks a day no power usage added on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we don't know yet what the power usage is. 4 GH 22 bucks a day no power usage added on but the fools will pay it thinking they got some thing me included, I hope i don't and unless the community as a whole fights back, butmain will keep doing it . Plus no one should be fooled into to thinking it cost them a ton to make gear,it doesn't . Best post I've read in here in a long time. This guy "gets it". Set your metrics and STICK with them. Mine....If I can't recoup my investment in 6 months or less on ASIC, I DON'T BUY. In reality, 6 months is at the extreme end of my comfort level. I have only bought 1 or 2 units at that end of my tolerance. Sure some people say...." 6 MONTHS?! That's an amazing return on investment compared to other businesses!". Well....this isn't like other businesses. For the very reasons our friend pointed out in this post. The harsh truth is, he's right. Even the newer releases will not be overly compelling. Unless you are going at huge scale. By that I mean 1000 units or more. Prediction; A LOT of people and groups that are "all in" on mining and expanding and scaling at too fast a pace will be going broke in the next 6-12 months. There are TONS of entities, that are bringing in investors and "fast money" to finance their dreams. They pay WAY to much for infrastructure, WAY too much for Hardware and WAY too much for RMA. Their bodies will soon be all over the place. Soon people will talk about mining with the same disdain as they talk about cancer. Then and only THEN, will it be time to get into mining. Mark my words.... yep...always knew I'd be at the wrong end of miner buying someday...I can only be lucky as a big miner for so many years...seems it is back to hobby mining...(a couple of some ASIC flavor coin in the basement for fun and heat in the winter maybe only). But went like 6 L3+'s too far this last early spring...oh well, It was a good run from 2013 to spring of 2018 and ROI'ing on everything...but looking with Bitmain...that IF the price and difficulty wipe out ALL miners, then their own and any miners they may have on deck (the supposed 1.5gh L3+) well if it is just Bitmain being able to mine pow-scrypt all Summer of 2018 only....because all other pow-scrypt previous units have been wiped off the earth and unminable....well...I sure am not gonna be much of a pow-scrypt coin supporter..watching Bitmain makes dough all Summer on say (supposed) new miner with a pre-offer order for the rest of us in late fall 2018. Hell, I'll buy a bunch of LISK (pos staking coin) and walk away completely first...(why do I feel this is very likely how this is gonna fly?) Hope I am wrong...but not gonna play their pump them out for their own use on pre-order game and then pump them out like toasters after the fact game anymore..I'm out likely...
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June 07, 2018, 01:10:37 PM |
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Does anyone know how to fix CRC5 errors on antminer L3+ The miner runs for a few miniutes normally after a reboot then it starts having CRC5 errors and 3 out of 4 cards stop hashing. Eventually they go XXXXX on the status screen update. I can reboot then they run for awhile and stop again.
Jun 7 12:27:37 (none) local0.err cgminer[25758]: bitmain_scanreg,crc5 error,should be 04,but check as 03 166 288 Jun 7 12:27:37 (none) local0.err cgminer[25758]: bitmain_scanreg: reg_value = 0x01000000
It seems to me the main controller board may be having a problem.
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June 08, 2018, 05:26:58 PM |
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Difficulty has been dropping lately. Maybe due to GameCredits being more profitable to mine at the moment or Bitmain turning off some of their machines in attempt to keep the L3+ appear profitable so they can dump their remaining stock.
lol highly doubt that...more like thousands of people paying more than 10 cents electricity turning off their machines. I'm sure a lot of folks have been turning off their older generation miners over the last couple months - even at 3 cent electric the A2/Titan/Alcheminer generation is no longer profitable. L3/A4/L21 generation is still profitable, if you don't have "high for mining" electric rates, but are starting to get a bit marginal.
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Difficulty has been dropping lately. Maybe due to GameCredits being more profitable to mine at the moment or Bitmain turning off some of their machines in attempt to keep the L3+ appear profitable so they can dump their remaining stock.
lol highly doubt that...more like thousands of people paying more than 10 cents electricity turning off their machines. I'm sure a lot of folks have been turning off their older generation miners over the last couple months - even at 3 cent electric the A2/Titan/Alcheminer generation is no longer profitable. L3/A4/L21 generation is still profitable, if you don't have "high for mining" electric rates, but are starting to get a bit marginal. "Old gen" gear accounted for 3 Terahashes of the network though, before Bitmain started flooding with miners. Thats currently less than 1% of the network, so whoever turned those off no one even felt it. Recent drop is definitely from this gen gear...which looks like its already last gen since its obvious that new gear is already hitting the network (I am already playing with new chips FYI).
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June 09, 2018, 01:04:19 AM |
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Difficulty has been dropping lately. Maybe due to GameCredits being more profitable to mine at the moment or Bitmain turning off some of their machines in attempt to keep the L3+ appear profitable so they can dump their remaining stock.
lol highly doubt that...more like thousands of people paying more than 10 cents electricity turning off their machines. I'm sure a lot of folks have been turning off their older generation miners over the last couple months - even at 3 cent electric the A2/Titan/Alcheminer generation is no longer profitable. L3/A4/L21 generation is still profitable, if you don't have "high for mining" electric rates, but are starting to get a bit marginal. "Old gen" gear accounted for 3 Terahashes of the network though, before Bitmain started flooding with miners. Thats currently less than 1% of the network, so whoever turned those off no one even felt it. Recent drop is definitely from this gen gear...which looks like its already last gen since its obvious that new gear is already hitting the network (I am already playing with new chips FYI). please make a pod miner.. no more usb sticks... the usb hubs cant handle the power requirements.
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June 09, 2018, 09:45:27 AM |
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Difficulty has been dropping lately. Maybe due to GameCredits being more profitable to mine at the moment or Bitmain turning off some of their machines in attempt to keep the L3+ appear profitable so they can dump their remaining stock.
lol highly doubt that...more like thousands of people paying more than 10 cents electricity turning off their machines. I'm sure a lot of folks have been turning off their older generation miners over the last couple months - even at 3 cent electric the A2/Titan/Alcheminer generation is no longer profitable. L3/A4/L21 generation is still profitable, if you don't have "high for mining" electric rates, but are starting to get a bit marginal. "Old gen" gear accounted for 3 Terahashes of the network though, before Bitmain started flooding with miners. Thats currently less than 1% of the network, so whoever turned those off no one even felt it. Recent drop is definitely from this gen gear...which looks like its already last gen since its obvious that new gear is already hitting the network (I am already playing with new chips FYI). Wow, only 1%. Thats low.
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