ISIS impregnates 9-year-old girl

[redsn0w]

I undertand. We(in general)  both may not be able to convince each other.

Yes, a man can have a maximum of four wives. There are strict rules if one man marry more than one wife.

I will give you a simple answer for that. Milk four types of animals, say goat, cow, camel and donkey. Pour them in a pot/bucket/flask and mix them. Can you now identify which is from which? It is the same with having babies. If you have four husbands, it won't be easy to who is child's father? But this is not the case for a man.

What? 

How is that related to inequality in Islam where a man is allowed to have four wives at one time and woman are not?

When a woman is having sex with four husbands* in between very short time(some days), how can they know who was child's exact father? Now read what I said above. I hope noe you get it.

* Not at a time.

Edit: 311 answered. I know when we say, it is wrong and illogical. When others say, it is correct and logical.

You can easily know the father of the child by dna test. This is not written in koran?

DNA can give estimated results not accurate.

In cert cases (almost always) the DNA test can confirm who is the father, so I think it is more accurate than you think.

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[jaysabi]

You can easily know the father of the child by dna test. This is not written in koran?

DNA can give estimated results not accurate.

DNA tests can exclude with 100% accuracy and include with 99.99% probability. That's enough in my book. (My book is science.)

[redsn0w]

You can easily know the father of the child by dna test. This is not written in koran?

DNA can give estimated results not accurate.

DNA tests can exclude with 100% accuracy and include with 99.99% probability. That's enough in my book. (My book is science.)

We can consider a science a sort of religion, and a religion a science. I can believe in them, but you can believe only in one (science) I suppose you are not a religious person.

[TechLaser]

Rape or marriage, the fact that the girl is still a child and not mature to think. In muslim world there is no courtship, Mohammed most probably buy the child from his father and call it marriage.

Your religion Mohammad Zakir is good for you. You can buy as many child as you can and rape them and call it marriage. Nice religion.

In muslim world women is considered property by men and women cannot decide on its own.

[cryptocoiner]

ISIS impregnates 9-year-old girl

http://nypost.com/2015/04/11/isis-impregnates-9-year-old-girl/

<< A 9-year-old girl is pregnant after being raped by ISIS savages in Iraq, a report said.

"The abuse she has suffered left her mentally and physically traumatized", said Yousif Daoud, a Canadian-based aid worker who recently returned from the region. "This girl is so young she could die if she delivers a baby. Even cesarean section is dangerous."

At least 10 different men with the Islamic State were said to have sexually assaulted the child, the Toronto Star reported. >>

All hail islamic state! They are muslim warriors of Allah! America will fall! Era of islam is beginning!

[twister]

Sahih al-Bukhari, considered by many Sunni Muslims as the most authentic book after Quran, states:

    Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
    —Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64

This religion is fucked up. All of them are, but this one in special contains some creepy shit.

Re: Age is still a doubt. It is either nikkah was done when 'Aisha was 7-9 years old and started living with prophet at the age of 10-12 or nikkah was done when 'Aisha was 6-7 and started living with prophet 9-10. Only thing that is sure is there was a 3 years gap.

Also "rape" and "marriage" is different.

You're saying that as if he did nothing wrong. I am just appalled.

Having sex with a Minor, either through marriage or rape is wrong and illegal and people who do that are called Pedophiles.

[abyrnes81]

Sahih al-Bukhari, considered by many Sunni Muslims as the most authentic book after Quran, states:

    Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
    —Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64

This religion is fucked up. All of them are, but this one in special contains some creepy shit.

Re: Age is still a doubt. It is either nikkah was done when 'Aisha was 7-9 years old and started living with prophet at the age of 10-12 or nikkah was done when 'Aisha was 6-7 and started living with prophet 9-10. Only thing that is sure is there was a 3 years gap.

Also "rape" and "marriage" is different.

You're saying that as if he did nothing wrong. I am just appalled.

Having sex with a Minor, either through marriage or rape is wrong and illegal and people who do that are called Pedophiles.

It is illegal in almost the world rape or have sex with a minor, only in the Islam was allowed but now I think this thing  stopped.
Maybe Muhammed Zakir was wrong and he didn't want to say that thing.

[Muhammed Zakir]

You can easily know the father of the child by dna test. This is not written in koran?

DNA can give estimated results not accurate.

DNA tests can exclude with 100% accuracy and include with 99.99% probability. That's enough in my book. (My book is science.)

They define it as probability. Yes, it can tell who is your father sometimes but not all time and you will have to rely on probability mostly. When paternal parent issue comes, when 4 husbands are invloved, it is not that easy. Also think what they will do if more than one sperm fertilizes the egg? It is very complex and lead to complex situations. This can theoretically be enough but practically it isn't.(not always)

Rape or marriage, the fact that the girl is still a child and not mature to think. In muslim world there is no courtship, Mohammed most probably buy the child from his father and call it marriage.

Your religion Mohammad Zakir is good for you. You can buy as many child as you can and rape them and call it marriage. Nice religion.

In muslim world women is considered property by men and women cannot decide on its own.

You're saying that as if he did nothing wrong. I am just appalled.

Having sex with a Minor, either through marriage or rape is wrong and illegal and people who do that are called Pedophiles.

'Aisha was matured when 'Aisha started living with prophet. 'Aisha was 10-12 years old and in hot places, girls tend to reach puberty faster.

Nope, it wasn't "bought". It was nikkah.

Muhammad(PBUH) only married to ONE virgin and that is 'Aisha. All others were widows. If prophet was pedophiles or rapist, marrying more matured girls or virgins would have made sense.

Also in old traditions, the bond between two persons/familty were increased through marriage. This is also another reason of that marriage.

[twister]

Sahih al-Bukhari, considered by many Sunni Muslims as the most authentic book after Quran, states:

    Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
    —Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64

This religion is fucked up. All of them are, but this one in special contains some creepy shit.

Re: Age is still a doubt. It is either nikkah was done when 'Aisha was 7-9 years old and started living with prophet at the age of 10-12 or nikkah was done when 'Aisha was 6-7 and started living with prophet 9-10. Only thing that is sure is there was a 3 years gap.

Also "rape" and "marriage" is different.

You're saying that as if he did nothing wrong. I am just appalled.

Having sex with a Minor, either through marriage or rape is wrong and illegal and people who do that are called Pedophiles.

It is illegal in almost the world rape or have sex with a minor, only in the Islam was allowed but now I think this thing  stopped.
Maybe Muhammed Zakir was wrong and he didn't want to say that thing.

No, he doesn't sees anything wrong with it.

Rape or marriage, the fact that the girl is still a child and not mature to think. In muslim world there is no courtship, Mohammed most probably buy the child from his father and call it marriage.

Your religion Mohammad Zakir is good for you. You can buy as many child as you can and rape them and call it marriage. Nice religion.

In muslim world women is considered property by men and women cannot decide on its own.

You're saying that as if he did nothing wrong. I am just appalled.

Having sex with a Minor, either through marriage or rape is wrong and illegal and people who do that are called Pedophiles.

'Aisha was matured when 'Aisha started living with prophet. 'Aisha was 10-12 years old and in hot places, girls tend to reach puberty faster.

Nope, it wasn't "bought". It was nikkah.

Muhammad(PBUH) only married to ONE virgin and that is 'Aisha. All others were widows. If prophet was pedophiles or rapist, marrying more matured girls or virgins would have made sense.

Also in old traditions, the bond between two persons/familty were increased through marriage. This is also another reason of that marriage.

[BuzzAldren]

You can easily know the father of the child by dna test. This is not written in koran?

DNA can give estimated results not accurate.

DNA tests can exclude with 100% accuracy and include with 99.99% probability. That's enough in my book. (My book is science.)

They define it as probability. Yes, it can tell who is your father sometimes but not all time and you will have to rely on probability mostly. When paternal parent issue comes, when 4 husbands are invloved, it is not that easy. Also think what they will do if more than one sperm fertilizes the egg? It is very complex and lead to complex situations. This can theoretically be enough but practically it isn't.(not always)

Rape or marriage, the fact that the girl is still a child and not mature to think. In muslim world there is no courtship, Mohammed most probably buy the child from his father and call it marriage.

Your religion Mohammad Zakir is good for you. You can buy as many child as you can and rape them and call it marriage. Nice religion.

In muslim world women is considered property by men and women cannot decide on its own.

You're saying that as if he did nothing wrong. I am just appalled.

Having sex with a Minor, either through marriage or rape is wrong and illegal and people who do that are called Pedophiles.

'Aisha was matured when 'Aisha started living with prophet. 'Aisha was 10-12 years old and in hot places, girls tend to reach puberty faster.

Nope, it wasn't "bought". It was nikkah.

Muhammad(PBUH) only married to ONE virgin and that is 'Aisha. All others were widows. If prophet was pedophiles or rapist, marrying more matured girls or virgins would have made sense.

Also in old traditions, the bond between two persons/familty were increased through marriage. This is also another reason of that marriage.

I think everyone gets all that.  People also know that some of this is nuts.

Using what someone did several hundred years ago to justify things being done today is fairly thin logic.

"This prophet did this, that prophet did that" is a cop-out.

Nothing will get resolved until people stop pointing to some paragraph in any holy book or whatever and using it as an excuse for what they themselves decide to do.

It's not OK to rape 9 year old girls.  It's not OK to sell 9 year old girls.  Women, as batshit crazy as they are, have rights too.  Every person walking this planet has the same inherent right to a life free from interference from crazy people as does the next one.

These wack-jobs from ISIS need to be killed, by whatever means, as do the rest of the Allah jihadists.  anyone that supports them, the same.  there is no talking to them or reasoning with them.  Anything but bullets and bombs is a waste of time with these people.

The christians did their crazy shit too, although that's behind us in a militaristic sense- and good riddance.  This latest tide of religious wackadoos has access to more modern technology and need to be beaten down pronto before they get their hands on deadlier shit than they already have.

[TechLaser]

You can easily know the father of the child by dna test. This is not written in koran?

DNA can give estimated results not accurate.

DNA tests can exclude with 100% accuracy and include with 99.99% probability. That's enough in my book. (My book is science.)

They define it as probability. Yes, it can tell who is your father sometimes but not all time and you will have to rely on probability mostly. When paternal parent issue comes, when 4 husbands are invloved, it is not that easy. Also think what they will do if more than one sperm fertilizes the egg? It is very complex and lead to complex situations. This can theoretically be enough but practically it isn't.(not always)

Rape or marriage, the fact that the girl is still a child and not mature to think. In muslim world there is no courtship, Mohammed most probably buy the child from his father and call it marriage.

Your religion Mohammad Zakir is good for you. You can buy as many child as you can and rape them and call it marriage. Nice religion.

In muslim world women is considered property by men and women cannot decide on its own.

You're saying that as if he did nothing wrong. I am just appalled.

Having sex with a Minor, either through marriage or rape is wrong and illegal and people who do that are called Pedophiles.

'Aisha was matured when 'Aisha started living with prophet. 'Aisha was 10-12 years old and in hot places, girls tend to reach puberty faster.

Nope, it wasn't "bought". It was nikkah.

Muhammad(PBUH) only married to ONE virgin and that is 'Aisha. All others were widows. If prophet was pedophiles or rapist, marrying more matured girls or virgins would have made sense.

Also in old traditions, the bond between two persons/familty were increased through marriage. This is also another reason of that marriage.

Whats the difference? if it is bought or nikkah. You are just translating it to your language.

12 even she reach puberty and does not have mature mind and mature body is still a child is still underage no matter how hot the place.

The reason it is Old traditions does not make this right.

[twister]

I think everyone gets all that.  People also know that some of this is nuts.

Using what someone did several hundred years ago to justify things being done today is fairly thin logic.

"This prophet did this, that prophet did that" is a cop-out.

Nothing will get resolved until people stop pointing to some paragraph in any holy book or whatever and using it as an excuse for what they themselves decide to do.

It's not OK to rape 9 year old girls.  It's not OK to sell 9 year old girls.  Women, as batshit crazy as they are, have rights too.  Every person walking this planet has the same inherent right to a life free from interference from crazy people as does the next one.

These wack-jobs from ISIS need to be killed, by whatever means, as do the rest of the Allah jihadists.  anyone that supports them, the same.  there is no talking to them or reasoning with them.  Anything but bullets and bombs is a waste of time with these people.

The christians did their crazy shit too, although that's behind us in a militaristic sense- and good riddance.  This latest tide of religious wackadoos has access to more modern technology and need to be beaten down pronto before they get their hands on deadlier shit than they already have.

Well this was only pointed out because there was an argument made that ISIS is not Islamic because Islam doesn't allow that and this was provided to point out that it was done in Islam and it was allowed.

Also, whether it can be proven by dna testing that who's the father of the child or not is a different matter, the point is, if a man is allowed to have 4 wives at once in Islam, than women should be allowed the same.

And it doesn't matter if she was 9 -10 -12, the point is she was a kid and it also doesn't matters if he did it once, it still makes him a pedophile for having sex with a kid.

It's morally wrong and disgusting and it doesn't matter if you had sex with 1 kid or many.

[Muhammed Zakir]

@TechLaser: Rapes are done forcefully, but this marriage ain't. Rapes are absolutely not ok and 10 ISIS members and others must be punished. Also, how do you know a 12 year old girl isn't matured? You can't decide whether someone is matured or not. Yes, science give is approximate idea but not only people from 18+ are matured. There girls who are matured whose ages are 10 years or so.

@twister: It was marriage. It doesn't prove Islam allows someone to rape another.

I understand what you are saying about equal rights. But we all have different views.

Pedophiles means a person who is sexually attracted to children. This is not the case here. I can quote things but as it has some sort of connection to religion, you will avoid it. Anyway, once we set our mind, no one can convince us.

[abyrnes81]

@TechLaser: Rapes are done forcefully, but this marriage ain't. Rapes are absolutely not ok and 10 ISIS members and others must be punished. Also, how do you know a 12 year old girl isn't matured? You can't decide whether someone is matured or not. Yes, science give is approximate idea but not only people from 18+ are matured. There girls who are matured whose ages are 10 years or so.

@twoster: It was marriage. It doesn't prove Islam allows someone to rape another.

I understand what you are saying about equal rights. But we all have different views.

Pedophiles means a person who is sexually attracted to children. This is not the case here. I can quote things but as it has some sort of connection to religion, you will avoid it. Anyway, once we set our mind, no one can convince us.

Maybe you can stop here, because it seems you are defending the ISIS members and Islam. The truth is well know and if someone want to know more about Islam (he should ask his friend or go to a Mosque, I think he can find what he is searching).

[twister]

@TechLaser: Rapes are done forcefully, but this marriage ain't. Rapes are absolutely not ok and 10 ISIS members and others must be punished. Also, how do you know a 12 year old girl isn't matured? You can't decide whether someone is matured or not. Yes, science give is approximate idea but not only people from 18+ are matured. There girls who are matured whose ages are 10 years or so.

@twoster: It was marriage. It doesn't prove Islam allows someone to rape another.

I understand what you are saying about equal rights. But we all have different views.

Pedophiles means a person who is sexually attracted to children. This is not the case here. I can quote things but as it has some sort of connection to religion, you will avoid it. Anyway, once we set our mind, no one can convince us.

Again, you're not getting the POINT.

The point is, it is Immoral, wrong and frankly fucked up to have sex with a kid, it doesn't matter if you call it marriage or rape.

Why can't you see this?, I just don't get.

Do you really think a 12 year old girl is matured?? If you had a daughter would you allow her to get married at the age of 12??

[abyrnes81]

@TechLaser: Rapes are done forcefully, but this marriage ain't. Rapes are absolutely not ok and 10 ISIS members and others must be punished. Also, how do you know a 12 year old girl isn't matured? You can't decide whether someone is matured or not. Yes, science give is approximate idea but not only people from 18+ are matured. There girls who are matured whose ages are 10 years or so.

@twoster: It was marriage. It doesn't prove Islam allows someone to rape another.

I understand what you are saying about equal rights. But we all have different views.

Pedophiles means a person who is sexually attracted to children. This is not the case here. I can quote things but as it has some sort of connection to religion, you will avoid it. Anyway, once we set our mind, no one can convince us.

Again, you're not getting the POINT.

The point is, it is Immoral, wrong and frankly fucked up to have sex with a kid, it doesn't matter if you call it marriage or rape.

Why can't you see this?, I just don't get.

Do you really think a 12 year old girl is matured?? If you had a daughter would you allow her to get married at the age of 12??

Yeah it seems that Muhammed Zakir doesn't know the means of "rape" a minor , it is illegal and really really incivil. I think that thing can't do in the name of a religion (in this case Islam).

[BuzzAldren]

I think everyone gets all that.  People also know that some of this is nuts.

Using what someone did several hundred years ago to justify things being done today is fairly thin logic.

"This prophet did this, that prophet did that" is a cop-out.

Nothing will get resolved until people stop pointing to some paragraph in any holy book or whatever and using it as an excuse for what they themselves decide to do.

It's not OK to rape 9 year old girls.  It's not OK to sell 9 year old girls.  Women, as batshit crazy as they are, have rights too.  Every person walking this planet has the same inherent right to a life free from interference from crazy people as does the next one.

These wack-jobs from ISIS need to be killed, by whatever means, as do the rest of the Allah jihadists.  anyone that supports them, the same.  there is no talking to them or reasoning with them.  Anything but bullets and bombs is a waste of time with these people.

The christians did their crazy shit too, although that's behind us in a militaristic sense- and good riddance.  This latest tide of religious wackadoos has access to more modern technology and need to be beaten down pronto before they get their hands on deadlier shit than they already have.

Well this was only pointed out because there was an argument made that ISIS is not Islamic because Islam doesn't allow that and this was provided to point out that it was done in Islam and it was allowed.

Also, whether it can be proven by dna testing that who's the father of the child or not is a different matter, the point is, if a man is allowed to have 4 wives at once in Islam, than women should be allowed the same.

And it doesn't matter if she was 9 -10 -12, the point is she was a kid and it also doesn't matters if he did it once, it still makes him a pedophile for having sex with a kid.

It's morally wrong and disgusting and it doesn't matter if you had sex with 1 kid or many.

yep, I get that.  Islam is the latest religion to spin it's crazy out into the world to an astonishing degree.

those that want Sharia law implemented in nation states are the next stop in the crazy train express.  this includes ISIS.  this includes those who want it in the UK and elsewhere.  keep your crazy book in your church.

....and your pecker in your pants around adolescent and pre-adolescent girls.  that would be a good place to start.....

[jaysabi]

You can easily know the father of the child by dna test. This is not written in koran?

DNA can give estimated results not accurate.

DNA tests can exclude with 100% accuracy and include with 99.99% probability. That's enough in my book. (My book is science.)

We can consider a science a sort of religion, and a religion a science. I can believe in them, but you can believe only in one (science) I suppose you are not a religious person.

I suppose, but science is open to change and interested in truth, whereas religion is interested in its own truth, and controlling that truth. That's an important distinction. Religion is not objectively verifiable, science is. Religion is faith in what it preaches because they say so and they have a monopoly on salvation, science is faith in the truth of what can be demonstrated to be true. That's the opposite of a religion to me.

[Lethn]

They seem to think that marriage constitutes as consent even when it isn't, the real answer is of course that in their culture when a woman is married of she's viewed as little more property that the husband owns and it's something that marriage has done to women for centuries. It's pathetic seeing you some of you guys try to be apologists for the likes of these fantatics, if you're so disinclined to stop this kind of opression and violence you really need to fuck off, freedom is for everybody, not just a few self-appointed individuals.

[jaysabi]

You can easily know the father of the child by dna test. This is not written in koran?

DNA can give estimated results not accurate.

DNA tests can exclude with 100% accuracy and include with 99.99% probability. That's enough in my book. (My book is science.)

They define it as probability. Yes, it can tell who is your father sometimes but not all time and you will have to rely on probability mostly. When paternal parent issue comes, when 4 husbands are invloved, it is not that easy. Also think what they will do if more than one sperm fertilizes the egg? It is very complex and lead to complex situations. This can theoretically be enough but practically it isn't.(not always)

Yes, they define it as probability because that's what it is. Only in religion do they teach you a "fact" that is not a fact. I also don't think you understand 99.99% probability. They can only establish 99.99% probability of who your father is as well. Do you think he is not your father because they can't say 100%?

Two sperm from different men cannot fertilize the same egg. It's biologically impossible. You are not countering scientific facts with anything credible.