[Vote] Who did 911?

[Spendulus]

I get pretty tired of all the conspiracy theories

most are totally debunked here http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a49/1227842/

i do however believe that the terrorists were allowed to proceed as far as they did because they had been funded by US covert programs. 911 just happened to be what they call "blowback" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_%28intelligence%29

First, let me remind that whoever did it, it was not done by only one person. It was done by many people working together. The point? It definitely was a conspiracy. The kind of conspiracy? A kind where many people worked together, whoever they were.

If the terrorists were allowed to proceed as far as they were, then the conspiracy was known about, and included those knew about it and allowed it to proceed.

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James Corbett - 9/11 Trillions....

Corbett's a nut case.  And your logic isn't.  Some cops suspect a bank robbery on Saturday.  But where?  Who?  Which Saturday?

According to you, the cops "allowed it to happen."

Ridiculous.

Your logic is totally flawed in the fact that there are many cases where police and other government officials have been proven to have had a hand in certain kinds of robberies.

The fact that Corbett is suggesting a good scenario where 9/11 could have been an inside job, but you won't even acknowledge that fact that it might have been an inside job, shows that you are not only a hypocrite in the things you say, but if you aren't the nut case that you are accusing Corbett of being, then you are a covert agent for the government, trying to make sure the official story is accepted no matter what.

Well, make up your mind.  First you claimed that A->B which has to lead -> C.

Now you claim that in many cases, A->B -> C.

And then we've got the Grand Finale.

"Either Agree With ME, Or You Are A Covert Agent For The Gubbermint."

That's stupider than a bucket of rocks.

Well, expressing things the way you did immediately above, simply means that the government has the right guy for the job... a sheeple who is dumb enough that he will never realize the truth. So, he just goes on blabbing and spouting the government rhetoric, most of the time not even understanding what he is going on about.

Tell you what.

You either agree with me, or you are a Covert Agent for A Different Gubbermint.

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[BADecker]

I get pretty tired of all the conspiracy theories

most are totally debunked here http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a49/1227842/

i do however believe that the terrorists were allowed to proceed as far as they did because they had been funded by US covert programs. 911 just happened to be what they call "blowback" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_%28intelligence%29

First, let me remind that whoever did it, it was not done by only one person. It was done by many people working together. The point? It definitely was a conspiracy. The kind of conspiracy? A kind where many people worked together, whoever they were.

If the terrorists were allowed to proceed as far as they were, then the conspiracy was known about, and included those knew about it and allowed it to proceed.

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James Corbett - 9/11 Trillions....

Corbett's a nut case.  And your logic isn't.  Some cops suspect a bank robbery on Saturday.  But where?  Who?  Which Saturday?

According to you, the cops "allowed it to happen."

Ridiculous.

Your logic is totally flawed in the fact that there are many cases where police and other government officials have been proven to have had a hand in certain kinds of robberies.

The fact that Corbett is suggesting a good scenario where 9/11 could have been an inside job, but you won't even acknowledge that fact that it might have been an inside job, shows that you are not only a hypocrite in the things you say, but if you aren't the nut case that you are accusing Corbett of being, then you are a covert agent for the government, trying to make sure the official story is accepted no matter what.

Well, make up your mind.  First you claimed that A->B which has to lead -> C.

Now you claim that in many cases, A->B -> C.

And then we've got the Grand Finale.

"Either Agree With ME, Or You Are A Covert Agent For The Gubbermint."

That's stupider than a bucket of rocks.

Well, expressing things the way you did immediately above, simply means that the government has the right guy for the job... a sheeple who is dumb enough that he will never realize the truth. So, he just goes on blabbing and spouting the government rhetoric, most of the time not even understanding what he is going on about.

Tell you what.

You either agree with me, or you are a Covert Agent for A Different Gubbermint.

I promote a government of the people, by the people, for the people, not fascist rule like we have in the 9/11 cover-up.

[Possum577]

Don't believe the hype. And never forget that Osama Bin Laden did this shit...

P.S. Why aren't you all talking about how the Bin Laden family owned the crane that crashed the mosque and killed 107 worshippers...on Sept. 11, 2015...of all days. This is something worthy of all your attention and chatter...http://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/world/bin-laden-family-from-911-attacks-to-makkah-crane-crash/

Nice insertion of USA propaganda....never forget!!11  

It's not propaganda when it's created, spread, and believed in by the people. I promise you...it's not government propaganda.

All the opinions on this thread - I'd love to know how many come from Americans vs. non-Americans...that fact might be very telling.

[Possum577]

The major 9/11 conspiracy theories “depend on circumstantial evidence, facts without analysis or documentation, quotes taken out of context and the scattered testimony of traumatized eyewitnesses”, and enjoy continued popularity because “the idea that there is a malevolent controlling force orchestrating global events is, in a perverse way, comforting”. It concludes that “conspiracy theories are part of the process by which Americans deal with traumatic public events” and constitute “an American form of national mourning.”[236]

If you truthers believe the statement above to be false, list your reasons why 9/11 was a conspiracy (and not committed by bin Laden and Atta) here:

[BADecker]

Don't believe the hype. And never forget that Osama Bin Laden did this shit...

P.S. Why aren't you all talking about how the Bin Laden family owned the crane that crashed the mosque and killed 107 worshippers...on Sept. 11, 2015...of all days. This is something worthy of all your attention and chatter...http://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/world/bin-laden-family-from-911-attacks-to-makkah-crane-crash/

Nice insertion of USA propaganda....never forget!!11  

It's not propaganda when it's created, spread, and believed in by the people. I promise you...it's not government propaganda.

All the opinions on this thread - I'd love to know how many come from Americans vs. non-Americans...that fact might be very telling.

Seems to me that if it is false, and it is spread as though it is truth, then no matter how many people believe it, it is propaganda.

[Spendulus]

Don't believe the hype. And never forget that Osama Bin Laden did this shit...

P.S. Why aren't you all talking about how the Bin Laden family owned the crane that crashed the mosque and killed 107 worshippers...on Sept. 11, 2015...of all days. This is something worthy of all your attention and chatter...http://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/world/bin-laden-family-from-911-attacks-to-makkah-crane-crash/

Nice insertion of USA propaganda....never forget!!11  

It's not propaganda when it's created, spread, and believed in by the people. I promise you...it's not government propaganda.

All the opinions on this thread - I'd love to know how many come from Americans vs. non-Americans...that fact might be very telling.

There is an analysis somewhere back in this thread as to different countries beliefs on this subject - more than half in Jordon and Pakistan believe the Evil Jews did 911.  Really I think this shows nothing but the effect of their crap state run propaganda machines.  Of course they attribute everything to Evil Jews.

Quite amazing, really.

[no-ice-please]

There is an analysis somewhere back in this thread as to different countries beliefs on this subject - more than half in Jordon and Pakistan believe the Evil Jews did 911.  Really I think this shows nothing but the effect of their crap state run propaganda machines.  Of course they attribute everything to Evil Jews.

Quite amazing, really.

You are distorting things a little.

In most places educated people try to make sure that others know the difference between Zios and Jews. The only people who try to confuse that issue are Zios who want to extract capital from Jewish history. Zionism has tried to make huge profit, political and other, from the supposed blurry line between Jewish and Zio.

So start with facts. There have been a lot of Jews in a lot of Middle eastern countries for a long time. Zios encouraged an 'exodus' from other countries  beyond even that which was obviously caused  by the snatching of 'Palestinian' land.

Now that Zios have convinced a lot of less educated people that Israel is a 'Jewish' state, it is reasonable for people to consider the actions of Israel as "Jewish" actions. For example it is widely publicized in America every time an Israeli Jewish child is killed. 133 Israeli children have been killed since Sept 29, 2000. Most of their names have been in the U.S. press. At the same time 2061 Palestinian children were killed. Almost none of them mentioned in the U.S. press by name.

Obviously in countries like Pakistan and Jordan the media will report on Palestinians killed by "the Jewish state". Or would you rather call Israel something else?

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As for specific involvement by people representing Zio interests in 911, there is plenty. But even if you ignore it there is an abundance of evidence that neocons used 911 as a pretext for invading Iraq. Can you argue with that?  

http://fair.org/blog/2013/06/07/how-many-iraqis-died-in-the-iraq-war/
Is a distorted picture of Iraq given to Americans and Brits? Look at this article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3233179/Entourage-star-Adrian-Grenier-receives-backlash-social-media-9-11-tribute.html and then read the comments below it. "The now-deleted post remembered the 2,996 Americans who died on September 11, 2001 It also paid tribute to the 1,455,590 innocent Iraqis who 'died during the US invasion for something they didn't do'". Honest to fucking goodness.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Yellowcake_forgery

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0410.marshallrozen.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20080220144345/http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/10962352/iran_the_next_war

https://web.archive.org/web/20080129230229/http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTY2OTBhOTYzY2NhZTE3ZWM1MDc0ODA3Y2EyNzA3NTE=

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ledeen

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Should Iraqis be thanking us? https://www.iraqbodycount.org/
"Recent events
Sunday 13 September: 38 killed

Baghdad: 5 by IEDs, gunfire; 3 bodies.
Mosul: 30 executed.
Saturday 12 September: 78 killed.

Mosul: 50 executed.
Kirkuk: 1 by gunfire; 6 executed.
Shirqat: 5 executed.
Qayyarah: 3 executed.
Baghdad: 3 by gunfire, IED.
Daquq: 3 by IED.
Khalis: 2 by AED.
Baiji: 1 policeman by gunfire.
Baquba: 2 policemen by gunfire.
Tarmiya: 2 by IED. "

At least whoever did 911 was more competent than whoever arranged the crash at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmclgO6w0C0 barely.

[Spendulus]

There is an analysis somewhere back in this thread as to different countries beliefs on this subject - more than half in Jordon and Pakistan believe the Evil Jews did 911.  Really I think this shows nothing but the effect of their crap state run propaganda machines.  Of course they attribute everything to Evil Jews.

Quite amazing, really.

You are distorting things a little. ....

I understand where you are coming from, but once you have state propaganda machines cranked up pushing hate toward the Evil Jews, all sanity has flown out the window.

[Lenore]

Have to say many believe that it was a US Gov own doing.  And there is a load of evidence that suggests the same.
I am not going to go into detail as it wont matter anyways.  But there was way to many events that took place that day.
Information was passed somewhere on what our military was doing that day.  There is evidence to prove that there were flaws that on any other average day would not have happened.

Look into it and you will see what I am saying.

Secondly, If any of you are engineers look at how the buildings themselves came down.  There have been many high temp burning fires in previous building though out the world that reached temperatures higher then what would have been possible with eh fuels that were used in those planes. That were built before the twins were erected.  Either they lied about the materials used to save money in the building process or the building were brought down and made to look like it was the planes.  Now these planes hold roughly 50k gallons of fuel. Which some was burned off during the initial explosion.  The remaining fuel would have burned within the building.  Reaching temperatures that would not cripple a building or even be able to melt the risers that supported the building.  Long story short.  Its not possible under that scenario. 

Besides that. Under what conditions would the building fall the way that they did?  They seemed to be semi controlled.  With variations in wind, weight differentials and building design. The likeliness of both building falling in the manner that they did is slim. And don't forget about the police officers that were nearby that reported on national television about the secondary explosions that they witnessed before the building fell.  If you noticed or payed attention you would see that those televised reports didn't stick around very long.

There were many other reports from officials not civilians of what they seen at the towers and also what they seen near the pentagon.  What was witnessed and what was officially released do not match.  They were very contradictory.  Keep in  mind these were not civilians that these reports were issued by.  But by police officers, people who worked at the pentagon, and other public officials.

There is loads of evidence that points to something being wrong here.  I believe it was done by someone close to us if not our own government.

They have lied to us in the past why not lie about this if they were involved.  Which many believe to be true.  But who is to ever know xcept for the ones who really caused the chaos.

[no-ice-please]

... The likeliness of both building falling in the manner that they did is slim....

Two planes knocked down three buildings

The third building, which was not hit by a plane, was wtc7.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

http://wtc7.net/

A very flawed attempt to discredit 'conspiracy theorists' is at http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

[no-ice-please]

Add "The Illuminati Did It" as an option, although in reality I can guess ISIS or a Muslim Terrorist Group

I don't see a button anymore to edit the poll. There used to be some obvious edit button or something.

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant isis was only formed in 1999 and affiliated itself with 'al qaeda' in 2004.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate

Many people in many countries consider the headchoppers to be a sort of 'phony isis', probably nurtured in some shadowy western govt offices. They are different from a much larger, and growing, group of Muslims who may have similar political goals but do not chop off heads as entertainment.

[popcorn1]

THIS IS 9/11 IN A NUTSHELL
DID JOHN EAT THE SPRINKLES..THERE IS NO ACTUAL PROOF..DID ANYONE SEE HIM DO IT..
ANSWER NO
DO YOU THINK HE DID EAT THE SPRINKLES..I THINK HE DID..
WELL THIS IS WHAT 9/11 IS LIKE THE EVIDENCE IS THERE..
THERE IS NO ACTUAL PROOF AND THIS KID COULD BE TELLING THE TRUTH..
SOMEONE COULD OF CLIMBED THREW IS WINDOW AND RUBBED SOME IN THE KIDS FACE..

WATCH VIDEO AND MAKE YOUR OWN MIND UP..GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY..
I COULD COME UP WITH MANY MANY STORIES TO SAY WHY I THINK THIS KID IS NOT GUILTY..
BUT I LET YOU BE THE JUDGE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Y69p1Lx48

AND THIS IS THE SAME AS 9/11

[EternalWingsofGod]

Add "The Illuminati Did It" as an option, although in reality I can guess ISIS or a Muslim Terrorist Group

Well actually I was thinking that one should be listed as well in my head
Some other group covers it more less.

[Possum577]

THIS IS 9/11 IN A NUTSHELL
DID JOHN EAT THE SPRINKLES..THERE IS NO ACTUAL PROOF..DID ANYONE SEE HIM DO IT..
ANSWER NO
DO YOU THINK HE DID EAT THE SPRINKLES..I THINK HE DID..
WELL THIS IS WHAT 9/11 IS LIKE THE EVIDENCE IS THERE..
THERE IS NO ACTUAL PROOF AND THIS KID COULD BE TELLING THE TRUTH..
SOMEONE COULD OF CLIMBED THREW IS WINDOW AND RUBBED SOME IN THE KIDS FACE..

WATCH VIDEO AND MAKE YOUR OWN MIND UP..GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY..
I COULD COME UP WITH MANY MANY STORIES TO SAY WHY I THINK THIS KID IS NOT GUILTY..
BUT I LET YOU BE THE JUDGE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Y69p1Lx48

AND THIS IS THE SAME AS 9/11

Or watch the truther video and then realize that the only explanation that's ever been publicly told has tons of proof and evidence and support and logic to make it, well, the truth.

That's what baffles me the most. There's fact and proof of how it happened, Atta and crew. Yet some of you insist on ignoring those facts to pursue some fantasy version. I guess it makes a boring life more interesting?

[BADecker]

THIS IS 9/11 IN A NUTSHELL
DID JOHN EAT THE SPRINKLES..THERE IS NO ACTUAL PROOF..DID ANYONE SEE HIM DO IT..
ANSWER NO
DO YOU THINK HE DID EAT THE SPRINKLES..I THINK HE DID..
WELL THIS IS WHAT 9/11 IS LIKE THE EVIDENCE IS THERE..
THERE IS NO ACTUAL PROOF AND THIS KID COULD BE TELLING THE TRUTH..
SOMEONE COULD OF CLIMBED THREW IS WINDOW AND RUBBED SOME IN THE KIDS FACE..

WATCH VIDEO AND MAKE YOUR OWN MIND UP..GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY..
I COULD COME UP WITH MANY MANY STORIES TO SAY WHY I THINK THIS KID IS NOT GUILTY..
BUT I LET YOU BE THE JUDGE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Y69p1Lx48

AND THIS IS THE SAME AS 9/11

Or watch the truther video and then realize that the only explanation that's ever been publicly told has tons of proof and evidence and support and logic to make it, well, the truth.

That's what baffles me the most. There's fact and proof of how it happened, Atta and crew. Yet some of you insist on ignoring those facts to pursue some fantasy version. I guess it makes a boring life more interesting?

Thank goodness that the American military is so radically inefficient and ineffective that some jokers who could barely fly planes could get away with crashing a plane into the Pentagon, crashing another plane into a field and leaving virtually no trace of the plane, and crashing two planes into two crash-proof Towers while taking down a third Tower on a wish.

No wonder the government is trying to take guns away from Americans. The American military is too weak to do it.

[Spendulus]

THIS IS 9/11 IN A NUTSHELL
DID JOHN EAT THE SPRINKLES..THERE IS NO ACTUAL PROOF..DID ANYONE SEE HIM DO IT..
ANSWER NO
DO YOU THINK HE DID EAT THE SPRINKLES..I THINK HE DID..
WELL THIS IS WHAT 9/11 IS LIKE THE EVIDENCE IS THERE..
THERE IS NO ACTUAL PROOF AND THIS KID COULD BE TELLING THE TRUTH..
SOMEONE COULD OF CLIMBED THREW IS WINDOW AND RUBBED SOME IN THE KIDS FACE..

WATCH VIDEO AND MAKE YOUR OWN MIND UP..GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY..
I COULD COME UP WITH MANY MANY STORIES TO SAY WHY I THINK THIS KID IS NOT GUILTY..
BUT I LET YOU BE THE JUDGE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Y69p1Lx48

AND THIS IS THE SAME AS 9/11

Or watch the truther video and then realize that the only explanation that's ever been publicly told has tons of proof and evidence and support and logic to make it, well, the truth.

That's what baffles me the most. There's fact and proof of how it happened, Atta and crew. Yet some of you insist on ignoring those facts to pursue some fantasy version. I guess it makes a boring life more interesting?

Well, you just don't live in the Youtube Is Proof world.  This is the New Way.  Youtube replaces science, chemistry and physics.

Another interesting aspect of 911 Conspiracy Theories is that they ONLY point blame, fault and suspicion at THE US GOVERNMENT AND THE JEWS (ISRAEL, ETC).  This is such total bullshit.

Where is the conspiracy theory about the Crane in Mecca?  Nope, there isn't one.  I guess there's no way to make the US look bad there.  And that's what it's all about, at the core.

[Lenore]

... The likeliness of both building falling in the manner that they did is slim....

Two planes knocked down three buildings

The third building, which was not hit by a plane, was wtc7.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

http://wtc7.net/

A very flawed attempt to discredit 'conspiracy theorists' is at http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

Yes there were three.  However the third wasn't of much importance and weren't really recognized.  I was talking only about the twins.

[btvGainer]

I agree with those who believe the 9 11 was a conspiracy of US government.They needed strong reason to attack Afghanistan and 911 was a way to convince their citizens

[no-ice-please]

...They needed strong reason to attack Afghanistan and 911 was a way to convince their citizens

Why Afghanistan?

[Spendulus]

... The likeliness of both building falling in the manner that they did is slim....

Not at all.   Given they were hit the same way, why would the structures not react in similar fashions?

You'd have a point if, say, one of the planes had been nearly empty of fuel and the other one nearly full.  But that wasn't the case.

Two planes knocked down three buildings

The third building, which was not hit by a plane, was wtc7.

....so WHAT?