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August 05, 2015, 12:45:32 AM
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I take issue with MA's repetitive insistence "we are all in this together". If I tie my shoelaces to a mountain, who can achieve anything  Armstrong sees from his cyclical models that the masses must perish in megadeath every 80 years or so. So why can't he acknowledge that is natural and that is the upswelling of innovation from the few that propels humanity forward All those cows in Greece and the EU who believe in the EU dream, unfortunately deserve exactly what is happening to them. It is entirely natural. Those who are offended by my words, as if I could even change what is natural Bottom line is if you trust your life to the herd, then you benefit while the lamb is fattened, and then you die when the lamb is harvested. Rather if you trust your life to your individual endeavors, then you suffer from your own failures and profit from your own achievements. Of course trading with others to benefit from the collective, serendipitous, chaotic, accretive advance of knowledge (technology). popcorn1, maybe it seems like I am a callous person. Rather it is incredulous to me that you would demand that someone who is suffering from Multiple Sclerosis and who has never taken a dime in aid from health insurance, should somehow be responsible for you being too fucking lazy to work hard and build your own life.
That is why I say, "fuck you"!
Do you have any idea what I am suffering? But do I put that burden on you?
You are the callous, communist, coward thief hiding behind the charade of equality and social justice.
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You gotta roll with the punches, TPTB. I am sure you already know that, though I have not suffered MS, but can imagine. The issue I am now wrestling with is the probability spectra of what could go wrong in our futures: -- TEOTWAWKI, or merely a Great Depression v 2? (And intermediate) -- 1984-style tyranny -- Above would happen everywhere? To different degrees? -- How correct would our amigo " TPTB_need_war" be about the various wrinkles coming down the pike? -- How fast/slow would various things happen (I liked your "Armageddon" YouTube you recommended)? -- How do families (vs. single or DINKs) fit into this relative to each other (kids slow you down, but are the best legacy)? -- How does a Knowledge Age work out with a 10%-er (best guess as to where I am at)? -- Etc. You get my point though. A complex set of calculations & assumptions to review, ponder, collate and act upon... |
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August 05, 2015, 03:37:00 AM |
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whoah I didnt know it was that corrupt. how the hell do they get away with that...that sucks that no local level will do anything about it.. talk about a catch 22 situation with the whole passport thing too. |
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August 05, 2015, 03:41:48 AM |
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whoah I didnt know it was that corrupt. how the hell do they get away with that...that sucks that no local level will do anything about it.. talk about a catch 22 situation with the whole passport thing too. lissandra LOTS of the world is that corrupt! Peru (my beat when not here in the USA) is pretty corrupt at all levels, is not even too bad by developing country standards. But, I know little about the Philippines, but I would imagine it is at least as bad as Peru. I saw a lot of corruption just as a tourist in Egypt a long time ago. Bet that hasn't changed much. Then you have some of the "world leaders in corruption": start with the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa)... |
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August 05, 2015, 04:31:10 AM
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whoah I didnt know it was that corrupt.
I prefer this small time corruption to the bankster level totalitarianism we Westerners are going to be dealing with. We Westerners get burdened with the really seriously life threatening shit. Small corruption is good because we can use grease money to get around the laws the banksters want enforced. I hope Greece and Argentina can remain so corrupt that the government can't collect taxes effectively. Got to love the Italians (Argentina) and the Greeks (except when your farm pump needs a new imported part then you are forking out an arm and a leg to get it imported). Manila was horrendous in the 1990s. As a drunk 26-year old they somehow managed to even separate me from my gold stud earring one night. But I didn't care. I was getting laid left and right. I remember in a small beach resort they sneaking in through a trap door to try to extricate my luggage while I was in the middle of the act with the opposite sex (I think lol, them asian ladyboys are very convincing). Ah the fond memories of the adventure, chaos, parties, etc...  |
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August 05, 2015, 04:47:31 AM
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-- How correct would our amigo " TPTB_need_war" be about the various wrinkles coming down the pike?
-- How do families (vs. single or DINKs) fit into this relative to each other (kids slow you down, but are the best legacy)?
-- How does a Knowledge Age work out with a 10%-er (best guess as to where I am at)?
-- Etc. You get my point though. A complex set of calculations & assumptions to review, ponder, collate and act upon...
For me it is looking relatively simple. My gf said she is ready to head off to South America when ever I am ready. If I need guys with guns to protect my ranch, she has three brothers, an able father, and lots of male relatives. As for planting babies and dogs, she is "can we start now". Lucky for me, several countries in South America don't require a visa for filipinos. Most filipinos do not know this. Pssst. Don't tell them. Parents of a child born in a jus soil country (all South American countries) qualify for immediate citizenship. That is my Plan B. Still looking at other options. I'd love to stay in overpopulated, dynamic Asia, but with war and pandemics (and even a Little Ice Age after 2032) on the horizon, this 18,000 acres for $690,000 looks better to me. Soon Uncle Sam can kiss my ass good bye. If he wants to find me, he can come chase me through the Andes mountains on foot. Geronimo still lives (I have Cherokee blood and I can feel it) and he won't surrender alive as even the original lamented he should have never done (to die as some caged circus attraction). Be aware, South America is very dangerous. Muggings are very common. Even rural attacks are sometimes reported. This is not for Europeans who are accustomed to walking around unarmed. And getting a license to carry a firearm in South America is difficult and if you shoot someone, it will always be your fault no matter the circumstances. The people are quite socialist. So before you leap, make sure you know what the fuck you are doing (or don't and don't care what the fuck you are doing, lol). Edit: the way the Knowledge Age and anonymous crypto fits into this for me, is I can keep all my money and work with me where ever I am, even on the tip of a mountain in Chile, using a satellite internet connection. I can be productive while the idiots socialists are killing each other over in the populated world. I can return to the population world after the culling is complete. Hey they are doing it to themselves! Not my problem, nor my fault. I offer them anonymous solutions, but some of them would prefer to die. |
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August 05, 2015, 11:10:00 AM |
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I totally agree, when SHTF the most remote place is the safest to be. I'd say that if you choose Andes (aka: high altitude) you'd better learn the food treatment processes as well as altitude sickness ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altitude_sickness). Not everything is edible up there like you're used to and the aforementioned disease makes no exceptions for anyone (even fit athletes can get it). Another thing to look out for is where the nuclear plants are located. Believe me following the 1/r^2 rule, you need to be as far as possible.  As for the guns/gunpowder, I wish luck to anyone who get as many as they can with them, after some months are passed.  |
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August 05, 2015, 11:26:14 AM |
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I totally agree, when SHTF the most remote place is the safest to be. I'd say that if you choose Andes (aka: high altitude) you'd better learn the food treatment processes as well as altitude sickness ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altitude_sickness). Not everything is edible up there like you're used to and the aforementioned disease makes no exceptions for anyone (even fit athletes can get it). Thanks. I will look into that later if ever there. There are the foothills to start with perhaps. I admit I am ignorant. Another thing to look out for is where the nuclear plants are located. Believe me following the 1/r^2 rule, you need to be as far as possible. That Bataan red dot in the Philippines is for a plant that was never operated. I don't even know if there is any nuclear fuel stored there. I just read today that Argentina has nuclear plants. A lot of people are favoring Australia and NZ. I disfavor their tax policies and high levels of government interference. I guess it depends on the scenario one is preparing for. I think government enslavement by regulation and taxes is more likely than F.U.B.A.R. nuclear chaos. If we go to nuclear chaos, then you could have your own private plane or boat to get away or some appropriate bunker. As for the guns/gunpowder, I wish luck to anyone who get as many as they can with them, after some months are passed. Nomads can hide supplies all over if they've prepared. I wasn't speaking as if I have a workable plan for hiding out in the Andes mountains. I meant that I'd try to be in an area where I could develop such a plan if I needed to as a last resort. And I wasn't restricting myself to highlands. I assume there are many nooks and crannies, valleys, canyons, caves, etc.. And natives who know them available for the right price as guides and porters. And I hope of course I never have to go to that extreme. |
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August 05, 2015, 03:20:40 PM |
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Peru has lots of nooks and crannies, and is worth a look as a Plan B country. The place has LOTS of problems though, including a lot of the Socialist tendencies. Peru would best be visited before making any decisions...
Argentina and Chile are wealthier, but I do not know them well.
TPTB is correct re violence all over Latin America, both in the cities and even the countryside. Peru's example of Maoist-style Marxism was fearsome Sendero Luminoso (Shining Path), who were about on the same level as the Khmer Rouge.
TPTB is also correct re strict gun laws. I like having my guns, and a Plan B's gun laws would be a factor in any plans to leave the USA.
There are no perfect places.
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August 05, 2015, 04:52:01 PM |
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I don't understand people who say that the EU crisis "is over". Either they're ignorant or they live in a dungeon for the last decade. Fortunately there are some media that are actually saying the truth about how devastating things are. Who’s Nexit? As many as five other eurozone countries are flirting with trouble. Could one of them be the first to leave the common currency? Which will be the next eurozone domino to fall? With Greece enjoying a temporary lull in its apparently permanent crisis, we can take a moment to look around its neighborhood at other candidates for trouble. There are several — and the euro’s future looks far from bright. Greece ran into trouble mainly because it should never have been in the eurozone in the first place. Its governments couldn't balance their budgets, and its economic cycle was far out of sync with those of the eurozone’s leading lights. When Germany grew, Greece shrank, and vice versa. Using the same monetary policy in both countries made no sense at all. What other countries in the eurozone might soon face this choice? To hear the credit-rating agencies tell it, the first in line are Portugal, whose government bonds are rated as junk by Standard & Poor’s, and Italy, which receives the lowest investment-grade rating of BBB-. Each country’s government is carrying a debt bigger than its GDP, something the IMF doesn’t expect to change any time in the next five years. Spain, whose debt-to-GDP ratio is below 70 percent but may rise in the coming years, is rated BBB. Not far behind are Ireland, whose debt burden of 86 percent of GDP is supposed to decline rapidly now that economic growth has resumed, and France, at 89 percent, where growth rates may struggle to crack 2 percent in the coming years. Both of them receive reasonable grades from Standard & Poor’s — AA for France and A+ for Ireland, with AAA being the safest of all. [...] https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/07/30/whos-nexit-greece-eurozone-piigs-spain-france-italy/ |
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August 05, 2015, 05:51:32 PM
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macgsa the entire EU will be dragged into the contagion and it will end up as a consolidation of the debt in a federalization where all member states give up sovereignty. Why don't you understand that the masses are sheep. Just accept it.
OROBTC, Peru taxes residents (foreign or citizen) on all their worldwide (domestic and foreign) income. You become automatically resident if you physically reside more then 6 months of the year. Also 18% VAT. So it is not an option for me.
Argentina also taxes residents (foreign or citizen) on all their worldwide (domestic and foreign) income. And a 21% VAT plus a 1.25% annual real estate tax. But the income tax only applies to people who apply for residency. Thus you could stay in Argentina as long as you want as a tourist, even buy land, and never be a resident. You could either cross the land border with Chile for 1 day every 3 months, or apparently others have claimed just overstay your visa and pay a fine when you are ready to leave (or get caught by the police which is apparently rare). If you buy a car, then buy it in Chile and just import it temporarily with you, but you must make sure you exit every 3 months for 1 day. Do not try to own a car in Argentina! The bureaucracy!
Paraguay and Uruguay for example offer residency and citizenship and afaik do not tax worldwide income.
As for gun rights, you can get permits and Argentina is perhaps the most permissive in South America.
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August 05, 2015, 08:33:00 PM |
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macgsa the entire EU will be dragged into the contagion and it will end up as a consolidation of the debt in a federalization where all member states give up sovereignty. Why don't you understand that the masses are sheep. Just accept it.
I begin to make my peace with this prospect... but I want to stay positive for an unexpected surprise (which will never come)...  |
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August 05, 2015, 09:47:01 PM
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“Next,” said I, “compare our nature in respect of education and its lack to such an experience as this. Picture men dwelling in a sort of subterranean cavern with a long entrance open to the light on its entire width. Conceive them as having their legs and necks fettered from childhood, so that they remain in the same spot, able to look forward only, and prevented by the fetters from turning their heads. Picture further the light from a fire burning higher up and at a distance behind them, and between the fire and the prisoners and above them a road along which a low wall has been built, as the exhibitors of puppet-shows have partitions before the men themselves, above which they show the puppets.” “All that I see,” he said. “See also, then, men carrying past the wall
(Colorization mine.) Armstrong is privy to the nature of your “economic” (plutocratically, political) condition. (Note: yellow text might be more readily read highlighted.) |
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August 05, 2015, 09:56:20 PM
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I do too. But it doesn't change the logic. I can love people without thinking I can change what is natural. It just is. Accept it.
(Colorization mine.) what do you suppose would be his answer if someone told him that what he had seen before was all a cheat and an illusion, but that now, being nearer to reality and turned toward more real things, he saw more truly? And if also one should point out to him each of the passing objects and constrain him by questions to say what it is, do you not think that he would be at a loss and that he would regard what he formerly saw as more real than the things now pointed out to him?” “Far more real,” he said.
“And if he were compelled to look at the light itself,
(Colorization mine.) However, “what is natural” (TPTB_need_war ) is not, also, veridical: in the course of departure from the illusions thrust upon one, under plutocracy, from babyhood, one approaches reality as the limit of ⅟ₓ + 𝐶, as 𝑥 approaches infinity from the left, approaches 𝐶. |
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August 05, 2015, 10:15:09 PM
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As a Greek, I'm proud of being in the advantageous position to be able to read the original script of "Πoλιτεία" of Plato. I wasn't always like that though. I remember myself at my early 20s into a library in Philadelphia. I met a guy there who introduced me to a script in ancient Greek in order to translate it to English for him. It was this: "If you refuse to participate in politics, one of the penalties you will have to pay is to being governed by your inferiors"Never understood why the best men available when they're involved into Politics they end up beaten and "parts of the system". That's the main reason I have no intention into getting in this position. PS: The ancient script from what you posted above, in ancient Greek. Σωκράτης: Mετὰ ταῦτα δή, εἶπoν, ἀπείκασoν τoιoύτῳ πάθει τὴν ἡμετέραν φύσιν παιδείας τε πέρι καὶ ἀπαιδευσίας. Ἰδὲ γὰρ ἀνθρώπoυς oἷoν ἐν καταγείῳ oἰκήσει σπηλαιώδει, ἀναπεπταμένην πρὸς τὸ φῶς τὴν εἴσoδoν ἐχoύσῃ μακρὰν παρὰ πᾶν τὸ σπήλαιoν, ἐν ταύτῃ ἐκ παίδων ὄντας ἐν δεσμoῖς καὶ τὰ σκέλη καὶ τoὺς αὐχένας, ὥστε μένειν τε αὐτoὺς εἴς τε τὸ πρόσθεν μόνoν ὁρᾶν, κύκλῳ δὲ τὰς κεφαλὰς ὑπὸ τoῦ δεσμoῦ ἀδυνάτoυς περιάγειν, φῶς δὲ αὐτoῖς πυρὸς ἄνωθεν καὶ πόρρωθεν καόμενoν ὄπισθεν αὐτῶν, μεταξὺ δὲ τoῦ πυρὸς καὶ τῶν δεσμωτῶν ἐπάνω ὁδόν, παρ’ ἣν ἰδὲ τειχίoν παρῳκoδoμημένoν, ὥσπερ τoῖς θαυματoπoιoῖς πρὸ τῶν ἀνθρώπων πρόκειται τὰ παραφράγματα, ὑπὲρ ὧν τὰ θαύματα δεικνύασιν.
Γλαύκων: Ὁρῶ, ἔφη.
Σωκράτης: Ὅρα τoίνυν παρὰ τoῦτo τὸ τειχίoν φέρoντας ἀνθρώπoυς σκεύη τε παντoδαπὰ ὑπερέχoντα τoῦ τειχίoυ καὶ ἀνδριάντας καὶ ἄλλα ζῷα λίθινά τε καὶ ξύλινα καὶ παντoῖα εἰργασμένα, oἷoν εἰκὸς τoὺς μὲν φθεγγoμένoυς, τoὺς δὲ σιγῶντας των παραφερόντων.
Γλαύκων: Ἄτoπoν, ἔφη, λέγεις εἰκόνα καὶ δεσμώτας ἀτόπoυς.
Σωκράτης: Ὁμoίoυς ἡμῖν, ἦν δ’ ἐγώ.
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"If you refuse to participate in politics, one of the penalties you will have to pay is to being governed by your inferiors"
The human race will have no respite from evils until those who are really philosophers acquire political power or until, through some divine dispensation, those who rule and have political authority in the cities become real philosophers.
PS: The ancient script from what you posted above, in ancient Greek.
(I colorized the text of the translation for rhetorical effect. If you are willing, would you colorize that Greek text in like fashion? [P.S. The Carolingian Renaissance postdates The Republic, so the Carolingian minuscule above would seem out-of-place {for an "ancient script" <macsga>}.  ]) Happily done it for you. There's another thing that is at stake. "Politicians should have no children, and if they manage to damage the property of the people, their possessions should be taken away from them; and themselves should be expelled from the city." We left those "minor" details out, for the sake of convenience. Cheers.  |
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August 05, 2015, 11:18:04 PM
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We left those "minor" details out, for the sake of convenience. I would omit portions of his assertions (either for an ignorance thereof or an objection thereto), for my use of the Allegory of the Cave is counter Plato's Theory of Forms. I have asserted that one is, essentially, "fettered from [baby]hood" (Plato) by "Forms" (i.e., symbols that, exclusively, reference other symbols) - formulated via the devices of plutocracy - and that one, if it is both able and willing (i.e., able), "ascen[ds]" (Plato) to the real. TPTB_need_war has, so far, refused to acknowledge that, though he could conceive of the "Inverse Commons" ( TPTB_need_war), those to whom national and other governments have been made subject through the mechanisms plutocracy permits its governors have not done so as well (to an end of such a ruler's exclusive gain). His disdain for the notion extends so far as to renounce the efforts of one whom he otherwise edifies if ever that one venture towards even the slightest reiteration of his subconscious perception of the Armstrong's "economic totalitarianism" having already been actualized. I hope others (at least) will come to the realization that Armstrong, in his analysis of "economics" (i.e., plutocratic government) past, has (at least, presumably) confirmed that plutocracy is not particularly innovative. |
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