What's your opinion of gun control?

[gentlemand]

Well that's a neat little piece of information that tells you almost absolutely nothing.  If that's your basis for your opinion, you've chosen a context the size of a peep hole.

It seems like rather a straightforward statistic to me. In what way am I fudging it?

[BLKBITZ]

Not based in the US, it seems to me that all these mass shootings tend to happen in places where there is gun control.  I think it is quite obvious, if someone is going to rob you or your home or try to shoot up a place they will probably do this in a place they know there are no guns for people to defend themselves and stop these things after the first shot.

people stab people  are we going to ban cutlery?

I have not been affected by guns so this is just my opinion from the outside.

They have already done this in Britain.

[TECSHARE]

Well that's a neat little piece of information that tells you almost absolutely nothing.  If that's your basis for your opinion, you've chosen a context the size of a peep hole.

It seems like rather a straightforward statistic to me. In what way am I fudging it?

The UK is possibly the most restrictive country in the world with gun control, not sure. Per capita it has 0.25 gun deaths per 100,000 people. The US has 10.64 per 100,000. That's 40 times more gun deaths.

You can give me all the 'personal protection' 'criminals will get guns anyway' 'people will find other ways to kill themselves' shit you like. When American gun deaths are 40 times lower I'll be prepared to listen to that.

Ok, there is more gun deaths, but what about crime in general?
In the UK there are 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people. …The US has a violent crime rate of 466 [violent] crimes per 100,000 residents
That is almost 5 times more crime than the USA!

What no one tells you about the "gun death" stats, is that it includes suicides, self defensive use of firearms, and police encounters with the use of firearms. Gun control pushers love to parade that stat around as if they are all murders.

[Beliathon]

Says it all.

[gentlemand]

What no one tells you about the "gun death" stats, is that it includes suicides, self defensive use of firearms, and police encounters with the use of firearms. Gun control pushers love to parade that stat around as if they are all murders.

Undoubtedly but the availability of guns perpetuates a cycle of violence. It's easier to pull a trigger in an emotional moment than to use cruder and more brutal methods.

The US murder rate is still 4.5 times more per capita than Britain. If we had guns pouring out of our arses no doubt it would be far higher too.

It might be deeply unfashionable to believe that if a society has less access to firearms, the less of its members wind up dead, but I've never courted fashion anyway.

[TECSHARE]

What no one tells you about the "gun death" stats, is that it includes suicides, self defensive use of firearms, and police encounters with the use of firearms. Gun control pushers love to parade that stat around as if they are all murders.

Undoubtedly but the availability of guns perpetuates a cycle of violence. It's easier to pull a trigger in an emotional moment than to use cruder and more brutal methods.

The US murder rate is still 4.5 times more per capita than Britain. If we had guns pouring out of our arses no doubt it would be far higher too.

It might be deeply unfashionable to believe that if a society has less access to firearms, the less of its members wind up dead, but I've never courted fashion anyway.

Again I bring the question of which country has overall higher crime rates (including violent crime). Jurisdictions with higher gun ownership show far lower incidents of crime in general. People don't need guns to murder, that is why your country has to make it illegal to walk down the street with a screwdriver.

[BLKBITZ]

Says it all.

if people actually knew how to handle a gun and store away from children like a responsible parent then the statistics would be very different.

[TheButterZone]

If guns were only made to kill, then they are defective most of the time as most GSWs are not fatal. Gun control only disarms law-abiding, mentally-sound, sober victims for criminals' safety. Do you think criminals with billions of pints of innocent blood on their hands have any compunction about the fabrication of statistics that "justify" disarming only their innocent victims, despite all proof beyond any reasonable doubt to the contrary?

[gentlemand]

if people actually knew how to handle a gun and store away from children like a responsible parent then the statistics would be very different.

And if me grandma had balls she'd be me grandpa.

[BADecker]

Gun control is about control. It isn't about guns.

Originally in the world, control was imbedded in respect for other people. The respect has withered so that control has been lost.

Probably in America (and many other countries) gun freedom should be re-introduced gradually. People will die, of course. But they are dying anyway. Guns aren't the cause of death. Lack of control is.

Once there is gun freedom, the people who don't respect others will die off. Respectful people will live on in peace.

Think about it. If we could remove all guns from the world like poof!, people would simply start making them again. Do you trust the police and military to be the only ones to have them? Better to arm all the people to the hilt, and let the disrespectful ones kill themselves off.

[bobc1994]

Because if a criminal wants a gun they are going to get it, law or no law. If the criminal has a gun I want one too.

It's much, much easier in America. In the UK we barely have any gun crime. Because guns are much, much harder to get hold of. It's not rocket science.

[funtotry]

Because if a criminal wants a gun they are going to get it, law or no law. If the criminal has a gun I want one too.

It's much, much easier in America. In the UK we barely have any gun crime. Because guns are much, much harder to get hold of. It's not rocket science.

The difference between the UK and the US is a lot. Do you have places like detroit, chicago, do you have mexico right below your country, do you have lots of drug cartels, or gangs, as much as we do?
No. Period.

[TheButterZone]

Because if a criminal wants a gun they are going to get it, law or no law. If the criminal has a gun I want one too.

It's much, much easier in America. In the UK we barely have any gun crime. Because guns are much, much harder to get hold of. It's not rocket science.

Because getting murdered/raped/maimed/etc with anything other than a gun (at the highest rate in Europe, last I heard) is morally superior to lawfully shooting a violent criminal (and likely not killing them) in self-defense.

[pattu1]

The difference between the UK and the US is a lot. Do you have places like detroit, chicago, do you have mexico right below your country, do you have lots of drug cartels, or gangs, as much as we do?
No. Period.

Why is Mexico relevant? 

[TECSHARE]

The difference between the UK and the US is a lot. Do you have places like detroit, chicago, do you have mexico right below your country, do you have lots of drug cartels, or gangs, as much as we do?
No. Period.

Why is Mexico relevant? 

Because the cartels from Mexico are active on US soil too.

[TheButterZone]

The difference between the UK and the US is a lot. Do you have places like detroit, chicago, do you have mexico right below your country, do you have lots of drug cartels, or gangs, as much as we do?
No. Period.

Why is Mexico relevant? 

Because the cartels from Mexico are active on US soil too.

And the Mexican military has a penchant for crossing the border with air and ground forces. http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/06/27/report-mexican-military-chopper-crosses-into-us-shoots-at-border-agents/

[funtotry]

The difference between the UK and the US is a lot. Do you have places like detroit, chicago, do you have mexico right below your country, do you have lots of drug cartels, or gangs, as much as we do?
No. Period.

Why is Mexico relevant? 

Mexico is one of the largest drug exporters, and they smuggle almost all of the USA drugs in. Also the mexican drug cartels, and athe very high crime and murder rate they have, comes over here.

[jayce]

Says it all.

People need the gun if they are living in a place that full of crimes, because they must use it to prevent violent action to their family or robbery in their home, since the police can't do anything in that place. Why we need that if we are living in peaceful area. So, the point is what the purpose of we need the gun.

[bryant.coleman]

Mexico is one of the largest drug exporters, and they smuggle almost all of the USA drugs in. Also the mexican drug cartels, and athe very high crime and murder rate they have, comes over here.

There is supply from Mexico, because the demand is there in the United States. Even if the supply routes from Mexico are closed down, the drug addicts in the United States will get their drugs from some other place, such as Colombia or Haiti. And there are tens of millions of Mexicans living in the United States, and it is possible that at last some of them are members of various drug cartels.

[jacktheking]

In Singapore, no one is allowed to have gun - only the authority (police etc) can have. Thus, there is no need to be afraid that someone would came into your house and start shooting. You say the police? Well.. Singapore wain the top ten least corruption list 2014..

So, I think other country should implant the same law Singapore have. No one should be allowed to have gun.