What's your opinion of gun control?

[tvbcof]

Gun control. first, we need to knows why people make the gun.we go our history that people make some tools for killing animals for the food. but now why people make weapons killing for people.thts not good. anybody can see the most of country have a civil war. some country weapon using under 18 kids.should need all countries to make one rules for what age limit people can use a weapon.

The 1% who are the driving force behind both the gun control and the gun freedom movements are keenly aware of the 'civil war' aspect and the influence that arms will have in the outcome.  Both sides wish to be on top when civil war comes to town.  The 99% are followers who naively believe whatever line is fed to them by their respective leadership categories.

Note that the 'gun grabbers' are not at all against guns per-se.  They generally want more and bigger guns for the para-militaries.  This is because their leadership classes believe that they will maintain control over these para-militaries when the shit hits the fan.  The idiot 99% of their side faithfully tow the line and march for MORE guns as much as they march for less.  They mostly want the 'elite' to have the upper hand because that is who funds their efforts, though few of them can think clearly enough to even see what they are marching for.

Actually, I'll adjust my estimate.  On the gun-grabber side it's probably 1%-99% who see the picture clearly and understand who/what they are fighting for.  On the 'bitter clingers' side it's probably closer to 10%-90%,

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[BADecker]

Gun control. first, we need to knows why people make the gun.we go our history that people make some tools for killing animals for the food. but now why people make weapons killing for people.thts not good. anybody can see the most of country have a civil war. some country weapon using under 18 kids.should need all countries to make one rules for what age limit people can use a weapon.

Sounds like a civil war. Go ahead and get rid of your guns, because that is what you believe. I'll keep mine because that's what I believe. Next, go ahead and start a civil war with me.

[yakayaka]

IMO, people should be given the choice whether whey want to own a fire-arm or not. In places like Texas, where home invasions are very common, the possession of a fire-arm can save many lives. However, the government should make it impossible for people with a criminal record, and those with mental issues from obtaining fire-arms.

I can agree there is certain places where a fire arm in the home is something that can justified, however I will never ever understand why the general public need easy access to army grade auto weapons etc. Absolute bloody madness!!

I am Scottish and it took just one evil rat to carry out a massacre (Dunblane) for people to flick that switch in their brains and see gun control was a joke at the time. What happened to that children in Dunblane was pure evil.

This happens time and time again the USA but still the cavemen refuse to accept they have a serious problem!

[tvbcof]

IMO, people should be given the choice whether whey want to own a fire-arm or not. In places like Texas, where home invasions are very common, the possession of a fire-arm can save many lives. However, the government should make it impossible for people with a criminal record, and those with mental issues from obtaining fire-arms.

I can agree there is certain places where a fire arm in the home is something that can justified, however I will never ever understand why the general public need easy access to army grade auto weapons etc. Absolute bloody madness!!

If you had voted (or have been reported to have voted) for independence from London and London said 'We know better what should happen in Scotland and we have the military grade weapons, so fuck off.' then you might have a better understanding of this.  Such things do happen you know.

I am Scottish and it took just one evil rat to carry out a massacre (Dunblane) for people to flick that switch in their brains and see gun control was a joke at the time. What happened to that children in Dunblane was pure evil.

Pure stagecraft most likely if it is anything like the other 'mass shootings' that the commonwealth 'suffers' from.

There really is a residual difference between Americans who broke away a couple hundred years ago and the populations which remained subjects of the crown.  Thankfully.  To bad that America fell under new management.  Hopefully when Americans figure it out there will be enough vestigial spirit to take the appropriate action.  That's the main reason for dis-armament effort, and the main reason for our 2nd amendment in the first place...'absolute bloody madness' that it may be.

This happens time and time again the USA but still the cavemen refuse to accept they have a serious problem!

More and more of us see the problem quite clearly and accept it.  I mean the whole 'problem, reaction, solution' picture.

[BADecker]

IMO, people should be given the choice whether whey want to own a fire-arm or not. In places like Texas, where home invasions are very common, the possession of a fire-arm can save many lives. However, the government should make it impossible for people with a criminal record, and those with mental issues from obtaining fire-arms.

I can agree there is certain places where a fire arm in the home is something that can justified, however I will never ever understand why the general public need easy access to army grade auto weapons etc. Absolute bloody madness!!

I am Scottish and it took just one evil rat to carry out a massacre (Dunblane) for people to flick that switch in their brains and see gun control was a joke at the time. What happened to that children in Dunblane was pure evil.

This happens time and time again the USA but still the cavemen refuse to accept they have a serious problem!

That's because cavemen had to wind up in caves, outside their beautiful homes, before they realized that they need guns to protect their families and homes.

[AncapJoe]

There's no need for gun control and most of these mass shootings are just CIA backed false flag operations and just like the war on drugs(which was basically war on the 4th amendement) these false flag opertions are attacks on the second amendment
If you give up the second amendment then you should also be ready to give up the first...

[hotforblockchain]

Actually guns and drugs have some remarkable psychological similarities.  A lot of people are 'gun nuts' who derive a good deal of pleasure out of owning, collecting, and shooting their guns.  It seems to give them an adrenalin rush.  More power to them as far as I'm concerned.  Almost zero lawful gun owners are a threat to me, and the fact that 75% of the households in my area own firearms for home defense is a giant benefit to me.

Where is this remarkable psychological similarity? Adrenaline junky? That is not a similarity and nor it is remarkable or even related to people using drugs for variety of reasons.

Vastly more people feel vulnerable and feel a lot more security knowing that they can defend themselves against the threats that are out there.  Older people and females who are by nature more weak than most of their attackers are especially prone to feel this sense of security, and with good reason.  It takes a special kind of dirtbag to want to deprive a person of this sense of security and leave them to the tender mercy of the local rapists and/or meth-heads.

The only valid excuse for people to have guns for protection is to protect them self's from the same level of threat- guns.   You are painting a picture of America which is full off meth-heads and rapists, not only they are so many that everyone has to be armed to the teeth, but also they seem to be are armed with guns, so that all citizens have only one way to protect them from armed meth-head rapists - guns.

I feel aligned with the founding fathers and their concepts of 'freedom.'  And they did make it the 2nd amendment after all.  If that makes us 'sick', then so be it.  A lot of people in a lot of countries have derived inspiration from our brand of 'freedom' over the last several centuries...and a lot of political leaderships have worked hard to undo some of 'damage.'

You are choosing to interpret freedom with guns and no countries are inspired by US gun laws so dont mix them together and make a abusrd argument about other countries supporting your supreme definition of freedom.

If you _really_ want the low hanging fruit in so far as protecting the kiddies, outlaw bicycles.  They are quite unnecessary and result in vastly more injury and death than do guns.  For an extra kick, throw in snowboards and similar demonstrably dangerous sports.  Maybe you should ask yourself why the gun-grabber propaganda doesn't ever mention this and why nobody has their panties in a bunch about it.  Hint:  it isn't about saftey for the plebs and the kiddies.  It's about something else entirely.

And you are giving me this shit, I will not even answer to this , it should be obvious how this is not an argument.

A metric ton of contraband is a metric ton of contraband.  One is not much more difficult to smuggle than then next.  People have a simplistic understanding of how 'smuggling' is typically accomplished and who the big players in the industry are.

Completely wrong. One kilogram of say cocaine gives you a profit in tens of thousands of dollars when you get it trough border, on other hand one kilogram of guns which is approximately 1 - 2 hand guns  gives you a 1000$  maybe. Guns are significantly harder to smuggle ,they are made form hard steal. Any xray machine will show them up immediately even if they are in container. Further, guns can t be smuggled trough airplanes, they will show up on x-ray and if on you on the metal detector. Furthermore guns are not dividable as drugs are, drugs cant be divided 1000 of times.
To sum up drugs are at least 10x times more lucrative to smuggle, they are a lot more compact , they are dividable and harder to detect.

I've no interest whatsoever in the U.S. becoming anything like Europe in any way.  It is the last 1/4 of a turd disappearing down the toilet as far as I'm concerned.  In engineering a 'backup option' for my own ass, the thought of setting up shop in any part of the EU never even crossed my mind.

If you have nationalism in mind in this discussion then you should not start it to begin with.
Do not think that Europeans have interest to go to US besides tourism , or for God Sake become like US , even more after your description of armed meth- head rapists wondering around and looking for granny's.


This discussion should also have pointed out the massive cooperation interest and influence in this matter, guns are a big business and cooperations will fight not to allow stricter gun laws even if the public wants it.

[tvbcof]

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If you _really_ want the low hanging fruit in so far as protecting the kiddies, outlaw bicycles.  They are quite unnecessary and result in vastly more injury and death than do guns.  For an extra kick, throw in snowboards and similar demonstrably dangerous sports.  Maybe you should ask yourself why the gun-grabber propaganda doesn't ever mention this and why nobody has their panties in a bunch about it.  Hint:  it isn't about safety for the plebs and the kiddies.  It's about something else entirely.

And you are giving me this shit, I will not even answer to this , it should be obvious how this is not an argument.
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It's actually not so obvious.  Why don't you give it the old college try?

Best I can figure it is 'obvious' that bicycles are virtuous and are the key to saving the earth, so it is worth the sacrifice of the kiddies.  Guns, on the other hand, represent violence and evil, so they are in a different category.

In point of fact, the driving force behind getting rid of guns in the hands of common citizens is that it does exactly what the authors of the 2nd amendment had in mind.  Namely, it limits the options for control of the plebs by the elite.  The elite (e.g., billionaire Michael Bloomberg) fund the efforts propagandize against the 2nd.  To be fair, most of the gun-grabbers actually are well meaning idiots who fell for the propaganda and they have no idea what's actually going on here.

[Buddiniro]

Gun laws and policies (collectively referred to as firearms regulation or gun control) regulate the manufacture, sale, transfer, possession, modification and use of small arms by civilians. Many countries have restrictive firearm policies, while a few have permissive ones.[1][2] The only countries with permissive gun legislation are: Albania, Austria, Chad, Republic of Congo, Honduras, Micronesia, Namibia, Nigeria, Pakistan, Philippines, Senegal, Tanzania, the United States, Yemen and Zambia, although several other countries like Canada and the Czech Republic, despite theoretically being restrictive, are shall-issue countries. Countries with a strong gun culture may afford civilians a right to keep and bear arms, and have more-liberal gun laws than neighboring jurisdictions. Countries which regulate access to firearms will typically restrict access to certain categories of firearms and then restrict the categories of persons who may be granted a license for access to such firearms. There may be separate licenses for hunting, sport shooting (a.k.a. target shooting), self-defense, collecting, and concealed carry, with different sets of requirements, permissions, and responsibilities.

[BADecker]

Gun laws and policies (collectively referred to as firearms regulation or gun control) regulate the manufacture, sale, transfer, possession, modification and use of small arms by civilians. Many countries have restrictive firearm policies, while a few have permissive ones.[1][2] The only countries with permissive gun legislation are: Albania, Austria, Chad, Republic of Congo, Honduras, Micronesia, Namibia, Nigeria, Pakistan, Philippines, Senegal, Tanzania, the United States, Yemen and Zambia, although several other countries like Canada and the Czech Republic, despite theoretically being restrictive, are shall-issue countries. Countries with a strong gun culture may afford civilians a right to keep and bear arms, and have more-liberal gun laws than neighboring jurisdictions. Countries which regulate access to firearms will typically restrict access to certain categories of firearms and then restrict the categories of persons who may be granted a license for access to such firearms. There may be separate licenses for hunting, sport shooting (a.k.a. target shooting), self-defense, collecting, and concealed carry, with different sets of requirements, permissions, and responsibilities.

And all countries are corporations... corporate entities. If you live on the land of a country, and you own your own land, you have private property.

A gun is private property. Countries that make gun laws are simply some people who call themselves "government" taking away the private property others.

[coins4commies]

I have done a 180 on gun control.  I used to think we needed to ban/take guns but now I actually have come around to agreeing with the other side when they say the mass shootings are more of a mental health issue.

OK.  If its a mental health issue, lets take that common ground and use it to push for universal mental health prevention, screenings, treatment, and coverage.  Lets put mental health professionals in our schools for one on one check ins with kids on a regular basis.  Lets have an annual "mental" like we have an annual "physical" to make sure everyone is alright, if some people need a specialist.  Lets destigmatize mental illness by making the coverage routine. 

When we talk about gang violence and drug violence, its pretty clear that the war on drugs as well as lack of economic activity perpetuate the problem.  OK.  Instead of trying to mandate guns out, lets end the war on drugs, legalize the drugs, free everyone in prison on drug charges, and let these gangs which are really businesses have opportunities to create businesses and economic opportunties.

Canada released everyone on cannibis related charges (weed dealing) when they made it legal but in the US, those people still rot in jail while white capitalists are making all of the money as the legal drug dealers.   Completely unfair.

If we did all of that, we could leave gun rights alone.  Taking guns was just a bandaid anyway.  Lets get to the source of the problems and address them there.

[BADecker]

Here is the proper form of gun control for America.


Middle school children in Iowa to be given classes on how to handle guns after teenager died in accidental shooting

• Two middle schools in Butler County, Iowa will be given the week-long classes
• District superintendent Joel Foster announced the controversial plans last year
• It comes as a 15-year-old boy was killed by an accidental shooting while fishing

An Iowa county is planning on offering its middle school students hands-on lessons in how to use firearms after a 15-year-old boy died in an accidental shooting.

Two middle schools in Butler County, Iowa will receive week-long classes that will train students on a variety of survival skills, including gun safety beginning in the Spring.

District superintendent Joel Foster, who implemented the plans, believes he is doing the 'right thing for the community' by introducing the controversial tutorials.

The announcement of the classes comes after a 15-year-old high school student, Kain Allen Schild, died last May from wounds sustained in an accidental shooting while out fishing with friends.

What we need is more guns and more training. Why? so that we can protect ourselves.

[700G]

Here is the proper form of gun control for America.


Middle school children in Iowa to be given classes on how to handle guns after teenager died in accidental shooting

• Two middle schools in Butler County, Iowa will be given the week-long classes
• District superintendent Joel Foster announced the controversial plans last year
• It comes as a 15-year-old boy was killed by an accidental shooting while fishing

An Iowa county is planning on offering its middle school students hands-on lessons in how to use firearms after a 15-year-old boy died in an accidental shooting.

Two middle schools in Butler County, Iowa will receive week-long classes that will train students on a variety of survival skills, including gun safety beginning in the Spring.

District superintendent Joel Foster, who implemented the plans, believes he is doing the 'right thing for the community' by introducing the controversial tutorials.

The announcement of the classes comes after a 15-year-old high school student, Kain Allen Schild, died last May from wounds sustained in an accidental shooting while out fishing with friends.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/01/18/09/8686284-6606293-image-m-23_1547804672935.jpg

What we need is more guns and more training. Why? so that we can protect ourselves.

I agree!
I'd love to see firearms training/safety classes in the schools.
The gun is a very common tool in America and being able to safely handle/shoot them is important.
Heads will of course explode at the mere thought! Even better!

[BADecker]

Here is the proper form of gun control for America.


Middle school children in Iowa to be given classes on how to handle guns after teenager died in accidental shooting

• Two middle schools in Butler County, Iowa will be given the week-long classes
• District superintendent Joel Foster announced the controversial plans last year
• It comes as a 15-year-old boy was killed by an accidental shooting while fishing

An Iowa county is planning on offering its middle school students hands-on lessons in how to use firearms after a 15-year-old boy died in an accidental shooting.

Two middle schools in Butler County, Iowa will receive week-long classes that will train students on a variety of survival skills, including gun safety beginning in the Spring.

District superintendent Joel Foster, who implemented the plans, believes he is doing the 'right thing for the community' by introducing the controversial tutorials.

The announcement of the classes comes after a 15-year-old high school student, Kain Allen Schild, died last May from wounds sustained in an accidental shooting while out fishing with friends.

What we need is more guns and more training. Why? so that we can protect ourselves.

I agree!
I'd love to see firearms training/safety classes in the schools.
The gun is a very common tool in America and being able to safely handle/shoot them is important.
Heads will of course explode at the mere thought! Even better!

Government has made laws that restrict the public driving of cars in certain ways. This includes the age of the drivers. But things change when you come to private property, as long as there is no chance of harm or damage to the public - https://www.quora.com/Is-it-illegal-to-drive-without-a-license-in-a-private-property-Can-someone-who-owns-a-parking-lot-drive-without-a-driver%E2%80%99s-license-within-this-parking-lot-Can-they-disobey-posted-traffic-signs-What-if-the-parking-lot-is-open-to-the-public and https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/can-i-drive-a-vehicle-on-private-property-in-ca--w-1561895.html.

It's the same with almost any property use. As long as you provide safety for people, and protection for the public, you can teach a 3-y-o to use a gun... on private property.

[primeluck]

Guns are not the issue.Guns are inanimate objects completely incapable of functioning without a human being performing a sequence of physical acts.It is the underlying human behavior  leading to violence involving a fireman that needs to be addressed.

[BADecker]

^^^ And the medical opioids, etc., that turn good gun owners into dangerous gun owners.

[BADecker]

Finally, a little more movement on home-made guns.


POLYMER80 LAUNCH ANNOUNCEMENT

Ghost Gunners,

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This is the first Ghost Gunner project completed in collaboration with community leaders, setting the stage for future development. With that, we'd like to express our sincere thanks and appreciation to Gunnar at GGD and Matthew of Komar Enterprises.

[700G]

Finally, a little more movement on home-made guns.


POLYMER80 LAUNCH ANNOUNCEMENT

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Ghost Gunners,

It is with true pride that we now announce the availability of the P80 code, for use with the Glock 19-style Polymer80 Compact frame. Click the links above to pre-order your jig and frames.

This is the first Ghost Gunner project completed in collaboration with community leaders, setting the stage for future development. With that, we'd like to express our sincere thanks and appreciation to Gunnar at GGD and Matthew of Komar Enterprises.

Excellent!
The more the genie gets out of the bottle and can't be put back the more the statists can't breathe and suffer aneurisms!
I'll take 2!

[BADecker]

Finally, a little more movement on home-made guns.


POLYMER80 LAUNCH ANNOUNCEMENT

Ghost Gunners,

It is with true pride that we now announce the availability of the P80 code, for use with the Glock 19-style Polymer80 Compact frame. Click the links above to pre-order your jig and frames.

This is the first Ghost Gunner project completed in collaboration with community leaders, setting the stage for future development. With that, we'd like to express our sincere thanks and appreciation to Gunnar at GGD and Matthew of Komar Enterprises.

Excellent!
The more the genie gets out of the bottle and can't be put back the more the statists can't breathe and suffer aneurisms!
I'll take 2!

Try this one!


how to make pistol at home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H4rV_ORKcY


And look at this.

It's Becoming Frightfully Easy to Make Untraceable Guns at Home

Have a look at the gun above. It’s an M1911 pistol, the standard issue sidearm for the United States Armed Forces for nearly a century. The semi-automatic weapon can hold up to 11 rounds and fire as fast as one can pull the trigger. And that specific gun above, it was made with a machine you can buy on the internet. It is virtually untraceable.

This and similar handguns can now be built with Defense Distributed’s Ghost Gunner computer-controlled milling machine. As first reported by Wired, the company just announced a software update for the three year-old, microwave-sized machine that lets anyone plug in a USB stick, install an unfinished aluminum frame bought without regulatory oversight from a vendor, and produce a handgun frame in a matter of hours. Once you attach components like a barrel and firing pin—also unregulated—that frame becomes a fully operational firearm that fits into the the waistband of Levi’s jeans. The gun is untraceable, since there’s no serial number and possibly no record of it ever being produced.

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[BADecker]

So now I understand why to support your local sheriff.


The REAL Resistance: Sheriffs in Washington State REFUSE to Enforce Unconstitutional Gun Laws

Washington state recently introduced bills for some of the strictest gun laws in the country but they have some very important opponents: the sheriffs.

Long thought to be the last line of defense between authoritarianism and freedom, sheriffs are in a unique position. As elected officials, basically nobody has authority over them – not the judges, not the Feds – no one except the people who may or may not choose to re-elect them.

What are those new gun laws in Washington?

In November, Washington voters passed a ballot initiative, I-1639. To purchase a semi-automatic rifle, buyers must be over 21, undergo an enhanced background check, must have completed a safety course, and need to wait 9 days to take possession of their weapon. And that's not all. A gun owner who doesn't store his or her weapon "properly" can be prosecuted.

And that was just the beginning of the unconstitutional momentum.

Feeling the wind at their backs after the ballot, gun campaigners and liberal legislators have now gone even further in the new legislative session. Bills introduced in the last week to Washington's Democrat-dominated legislature look to further restrict firearms. Some laws would ban high capacity magazines and plastic guns made with 3D printers. Others would mandate training for concealed carry permits, and remove guns and ammo during and after domestic violence incidents.

Washington's attorney general, Bob Ferguson, who proposed several of the bills, said in an email: "Now is the time to act. Washingtonians have made it clear that they support common-sense gun safety reforms." (source)

Things are getting more and more difficult for gun owners in a state that has two very different demographics.

Washington is a reflection of the rest of the US.

The state of Washington is similar to the United States in general. The vast majority of the population lives in a few large cities, distant from the rural and small-town folks in a lot more than just mileage. The left-leaning cities are in direct opposition to the more right-leaning rural communities, but the rural communities are under the thumb of the city voters due to numbers.

Back when they voted on I-1639, 27 of the 39 counties were against the measure, but because the twelve counties that voted FOR it were more populous, the initiative passed.

Support Your Local Sheriff (1968 movie clip)- Jason arrests Joe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNuW23PAOGY