What's your opinion of gun control?

[BADecker]

To me, owning guns should be free but strictly controlled. Owner candidates should be tested physiologically hard. There should be zero tolerance for anyone who lacks anger management.

Guns absolutely ARE strictly controlled. Ask any terrorist shooter. If he wasn't strictly controlling his gun, he would never be able to achieve the number of casualties. Even government officials who are terrorists know this. They give their terrorist police the greatest training (most of the time) regarding how to control their guns. This is why we have so many police brutality websites.

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[iluvbitcoins]

60% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed.

[Negotiation]

To me, owning guns should be free but strictly controlled. Owner candidates should be tested physiologically hard. There should be zero tolerance for anyone who lacks anger management.

I agree with you I think strict control is needed for those who use guns for gun control Because there are many who use it without even knowing it our society faces many threats. For this reason the judiciary has to regulate it through lawyers.

[HammaSan]

Gun control is a scam in any country. This control is only for good people. The bandits have always continued to possess illegal weapons and the population will be unarmed and unprotected.

[BADecker]

Gun control is a scam in any country. This control is only for good people. The bandits have always continued to possess illegal weapons and the population will be unarmed and unprotected.

That's why they are attempting gun control. They are losing soooo much $money because people are armed. So, they get into government to do something about it. Gun control legislation is the result.

[tvbcof]

60% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed.

Ordinary people can address some of societies most vexing problems autonomously by taking just a little bit of responsibility as the chart shows.  Distributed law enforcement so-to-speak.

I think that the above chart shows the major reason that corp/gov is so desperate to get rid of the 2nd amendment.  It's got nothing to do with 'anti-government militia groups' and all that crap (that both sides fool themselves into believing.)  It's about giving socialized constructs a reason and excuse to exist and get funds.

The rejection of centralized authority is one of the central reasons why the gun control issue resonates so strongly with think-they-wanna-be socialists.  Most people in this category are funded and animated by corp/gov through mechanisms that they semi-deliberately don't understand so they tow that party line with extraordinary vigor.

The more power and size law enforcement entities have, the more corrupt they get as a general tenancy.  It works generally the same way in all societies and has throughout history.  In my observation law enforcement works best for society when upstanding citizens and uniformed law enforcement are of appropriate size that they _need_ to rely on one another.  In my area in rural Oregon that dynamic between citizens and the Sheriff's department exists and it works quite well.  Meth-heads are basically identified and they self-limit to a large degree as a survival mechanism.

In another area with which I have some familiarity things go one step farther and there are so-called 'salvage operations.'  That works pretty well too IMHO.  Drives the so-called 'Western Liberals' into fits though.  Probably because if fucks up the strategy of cultivating criminals as a problem/reaction/solution scheme.

[iluvbitcoins]

It could also be that these socialists purchase gun company stocks before these policies.
Every time a policy like that is proposed, gun sales skyrocket and so do gun stocks.

[BADecker]

http://www.gunfacts.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/CRIME-AND-GUNS-Property-Crimes-and-Handgun-Supply1.png

60% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed.

Ordinary people can address some of societies most vexing problems autonomously by taking just a little bit of responsibility as the chart shows.  Distributed law enforcement so-to-speak.

I think that the above chart shows the major reason that corp/gov is so desperate to get rid of the 2nd amendment.  It's got nothing to do with 'anti-government militia groups' and all that crap (that both sides fool themselves into believing.)  It's about giving socialized constructs a reason and excuse to exist and get funds.

The rejection of centralized authority is one of the central reasons why the gun control issue resonates so strongly with think-they-wanna-be socialists.  Most people in this category are funded and animated by corp/gov through mechanisms that they semi-deliberately don't understand so they tow that party line with extraordinary vigor.

The more power and size law enforcement entities have, the more corrupt they get as a general tenancy.  It works generally the same way in all societies and has throughout history.  In my observation law enforcement works best for society when upstanding citizens and uniformed law enforcement are of appropriate size that they _need_ to rely on one another.  In my area in rural Oregon that dynamic between citizens and the Sheriff's department exists and it works quite well.  Meth-heads are basically identified and they self-limit to a large degree as a survival mechanism.

In another area with which I have some familiarity things go one step farther and there are so-called 'salvage operations.'  That works pretty well too IMHO.  Drives the so-called 'Western Liberals' into fits though.  Probably because if fucks up the strategy of cultivating criminals as a problem/reaction/solution scheme.

But if there is a group that potentially might injure someone... like meth-heads... government should set up enclosures where they can do their meth legally. They have to buy tickets for this... not government funded. Why keep people who want to do something from doing what they want to do?

BTW, if they injure themselves with their meth, let their families take care of them. No gov funding for intentional self destruction. If their families won't care for them, mass graves.

[BADecker]

It could also be that these socialists purchase gun company stocks before these policies.
Every time a policy like that is proposed, gun sales skyrocket and so do gun stocks.

I think I'm going to look into gun stocks right away.     

[iluvbitcoins]

It could also be that these socialists purchase gun company stocks before these policies.
Every time a policy like that is proposed, gun sales skyrocket and so do gun stocks.

I think I'm going to look into gun stocks right away.    

Yes, apparently gun control in the media boosts gun sales.
https://www.futurity.org/gun-sales-gun-control-coverage-2089772/

Intersting thing to note is that in the UK, 59% of burglaries are made while the residents are inside their home
In the US, that number is 13%.

[tvbcof]

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Intersting thing to note is that in the UK, 59% of burglaries are made while the residents are inside their home
In the US, that number is 13%.

And in my part of rural Oregon where most homes have at least one shotgun in the closet, the latter figure approaches 0%.

[BADecker]

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Intersting thing to note is that in the UK, 59% of burglaries are made while the residents are inside their home
In the US, that number is 13%.

And in my part of rural Oregon where most homes have at least one shotgun in the closet, the latter figure approaches 0%.

Legal or not... how much can you saw off a shotgun barrel, and it will still work?

[tvbcof]

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Intersting thing to note is that in the UK, 59% of burglaries are made while the residents are inside their home
In the US, that number is 13%.

And in my part of rural Oregon where most homes have at least one shotgun in the closet, the latter figure approaches 0%.

Legal or not... how much can you saw off a shotgun barrel, and it will still work?

Never tried.  Probably depends on what you mean by 'work'.  Factories make items people want, and people want things because they are a reasonable compromise mostly.  For home defense most short-barreled shotguns seem about right to me as they are.  I'd rather use a .45 or .357 mag for close-in encounters anyway.

Most people in my (former) neighborhood had a variety of bang-bang options to suite the task at hand.  And just for the fun of it.  I personally don't even find guns all that much fun, and it is a hassle to properly train with them and clean them.  I ended up with quite a few because I had money, a large and complex bunch of property, and a lot of uses for them (hunting elk, killing downed horses, 'social work', practice, etc.)

[BADecker]

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Intersting thing to note is that in the UK, 59% of burglaries are made while the residents are inside their home
In the US, that number is 13%.

And in my part of rural Oregon where most homes have at least one shotgun in the closet, the latter figure approaches 0%.

Legal or not... how much can you saw off a shotgun barrel, and it will still work?

Never tried.  Probably depends on what you mean by 'work'.  Factories make items people want, and people want things because they are a reasonable compromise mostly.  For home defense most short-barreled shotguns seem about right to me as they are.  I'd rather use a .45 or .357 mag for close-in encounters anyway.

Most people in my (former) neighborhood had a variety of bang-bang options to suite the task at hand.  And just for the fun of it.  I personally don't even find guns all that much fun, and it is a hassle to properly train with them and clean them.  I ended up with quite a few because I had money, a large and complex bunch of property, and a lot of uses for them (hunting elk, killing downed horses, 'social work', practice, etc.)

But isn't the buckshot scatter-pattern wider with a shorter barrel? If so, wouldn't it mean less damage to an attacker? Or do you want to kill him, so that you don't have to face him in court?

[tvbcof]

But isn't the buckshot scatter-pattern wider with a shorter barrel? If so, wouldn't it mean less damage to an attacker? Or do you want to kill him, so that you don't have to face him in court?

I tend to side with the people who argue the 'shoot-to-kill or not at all' point of view.  At least as a policy for people who are not professional law enforcement and train all the time.

That said, I did keep a rubber slug as the first round for a variety of reasons I won't go into.  The only time I ever shot an intruder it was a bear and all I wanted to do was to chase it off.  Worked.  Following the rubber slug was alternating 00-buck and slugs so yes, I was more not planning to play around with rock-salt and that sort of thing.

To answer your question, yes, of course a shorter barrel will scatter more.  There are a ton of vids on-line about it I'm sure.  In Alaska people used to saw the things off a lot for transportation reasons (planes and boats often not having an abundance of room.)  I never saw much reason to do so in a house.  There is an argument for mobility, but again, if I was working in my house I'd grab my .357.  Also again, very very few people in that part of the world are stupid enough to break into an occupied house and it's relatively easy to inform a person that they've made a mistake about occupancy before you have to confront them most of the time.

[BADecker]

But isn't the buckshot scatter-pattern wider with a shorter barrel? If so, wouldn't it mean less damage to an attacker? Or do you want to kill him, so that you don't have to face him in court?

I tend to side with the people who argue the 'shoot-to-kill or not at all' point of view.  At least as a policy for people who are not professional law enforcement and train all the time.

That said, I did keep a rubber slug as the first round for a variety of reasons I won't go into.  The only time I ever shot an intruder it was a bear and all I wanted to do was to chase it off.  Worked.  Following the rubber slug was alternating 00-buck and slugs so yes, I was more not planning to play around with rock-salt and that sort of thing.

To answer your question, yes, of course a shorter barrel will scatter more.  There are a ton of vids on-line about it I'm sure.  In Alaska people used to saw the things off a lot for transportation reasons (planes and boats often not having an abundance of room.)  I never saw much reason to do so in a house.  There is an argument for mobility, but again, if I was working in my house I'd grab my .357.  Also again, very very few people in that part of the world are stupid enough to break into an occupied house and it's relatively easy to inform a person that they've made a mistake about occupancy before you have to confront them most of the time.

Thanks. Practical info for us all.     

[crypto_nox]

In my views everything in this world can be used as a weapon, but the tool called "gun" only made to kill. There are already so many laws but nothing is working now because people are going in depression becoming mentally sick .. this is what we have made this world now. So many divorce happening every single day and what impression they are leaving on our kids.. we are far from our culture now this is why all this happening. This is the time instead of making more laws try understand the condition of the humans, help them deal with depression ..give them the care they need.. those who are violent have bad past.. bad company.. bad classmates.. bad parents.. or bad teachers .. someone they need to talk with who understand them. Every one in this world expect someone to listen them but when a person don't find someone they start to feel alone and they start to feel the world is bad place and their nature towards world starts to change.. On such topics there are endless talks, in the end I will say we need to spread love, should not talk bad with each other and must listen to each other, instead of social media we must spend more time with our friends.. or best way is "1 monk for every class to teach us how we gain peace in this troubled world".

[BADecker]

^^^ Gun is only made to bring peace and protection.

A 250-pound bully, muscleman can easily mug, rape, and murder a 90-pound teen. But if the teen has a gun, the teen has a chance... even if the bully has a gun, as well.

[BADecker]

I'm not against owning a gun. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. But we also need minimal gun control.

Actually, we need maximum gun control by police and Antifa... so that they so that they can all shoot straight enough to kill each other all off so we don't have the threat of either any longer.


All Hell Breaks Loose in the Subways After Antifa Issues "Endgame Warning" to NYPD

With both sides issuing their own "End-all/Endgame" warnings, the NYPD planning for a massive Antifa anti-police rally today, January 31, 2020.

Days earlier, an Antifa-backed social media account shared a video of three masked individuals accompanied by a tweet that read: "The streets are ours. The trains our ours. The walls are ours. This moment is ours."

The minute-long video showing individuals vandalizing public property and jumping subway turnstiles, calls for supporters of the group to "meet up" and rally against law enforcement and transit fares.

"We encourage you to link up with your friends, your family, and think of the ways you can move in affinity to build and f— s— up on J31 all day long," an unidentified individual said, referencing Friday's date. (source)

In response to a warning issued by Antifa, the NYCPBA (New York City Police Benevolent Association issued one of their own.

"New Yorkers should pay close attention: this is true endgame of the anti-police movement, and end of all policing and destruction of public order. Our members have spent their careers — and in some cases giving their lives — to bring public safety back to NYC. We can't go backwards." (source)

Coupled with their official statement was the video of members of Antifa, clouded by half-face masks, hoodies, and distorted voices, encouraging people to link up with their friends, their family, and figure out ways to "f*** s*** up today… all day long", calling today "J31". (emphasis mine)

[mayo2u]

But isn't the buckshot scatter-pattern wider with a shorter barrel? If so, wouldn't it mean less damage to an attacker? Or do you want to kill him, so that you don't have to face him in court?

A shotgun has close to zero spread at 3-5 yards, the width of most rooms.  (A yard is about equal to a meter for those not familiar with imperial measurements.)  The spread is probably not more than a quarter at this close range. (That's an inch or 2.5 centimeters.) 

I would not recommend a shotgun for a small woman. It packs a kick. Far better to have a .223. There is far less kick and the user wouldn't procrastinate practicing because they dreaded the kick back.

I suppose if it was cut down in half (from 28" to 14") there would be greater spread - but I don't know how much. I've never shot one, or seen the pattern.