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November 04, 2015, 10:21:15 PM
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I've put what little BTC I have left on the order books, hoping for more dumping.

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November 05, 2015, 07:08:03 AM
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November 05, 2015, 11:28:27 PM
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Swing price closing in on 10,000 sats again. Hope you guys took advantage of the price dip.

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November 06, 2015, 10:02:33 PM
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Just a reminder that I will be live on Supernet Radio tomorrow to talk about swing!
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November 07, 2015, 06:04:11 AM
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what is the best way to coin control these coins any tips?

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November 08, 2015, 02:36:45 AM
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Just a reminder that I will be live on Supernet Radio tomorrow to talk about swing!

I didn't get a chance to tune in. How did the show go murderouskirk?

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November 08, 2015, 04:56:01 PM
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Just a reminder that I will be live on Supernet Radio tomorrow to talk about swing!

I didn't get a chance to tune in. How did the show go murderouskirk?

I think it went pretty well actually. We talked about Swing, Crypto Community, the current state of the altcoin scene and more.

For those that want to give it a listen over a cup of coffee:

https://soundcloud.com/supernetradio/swingcoin

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November 08, 2015, 06:58:45 PM
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Just a reminder that I will be live on Supernet Radio tomorrow to talk about swing!

I didn't get a chance to tune in. How did the show go murderouskirk?

I think it went pretty well actually. We talked about Swing, Crypto Community, the current state of the altcoin scene and more.

For those that want to give it a listen over a cup of coffee:

https://soundcloud.com/supernetradio/swingcoin


Just had a listen over coffee and a smoke, very good stuff, i dont necessarily agree with some of the things the host mentioned, such as mining from wallet etc, i think

your right about asics vastly overpowering home miners, so it's a bit pointless imo.

I personally went from home mining to renting last year sometime, and have never looked back.

It's good to hold a coin from one of the few good devs around these days Wink
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November 08, 2015, 11:28:29 PM
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Swing is a great coin, I'm really enjoying its unique concept.

A feature I would REALLY LOVE to see in a future wallet upgrade is that the main window can be resized and put to full screen. Another great feature would be if we could clear the orphans in the list.

Dev, pretty please?  Grin
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November 09, 2015, 12:12:05 AM
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what is the best way to coin control these coins any tips?

Actually a little curious about that myself.
I sent them to my wallet in blocks of 1000 and haven't done anything since, perhaps that is not ideal.

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November 09, 2015, 12:25:48 AM
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Swing is a great coin, I'm really enjoying its unique concept.

A feature I would REALLY LOVE to see in a future wallet upgrade is that the main window can be resized and put to full screen. Another great feature would be if we could clear the orphans in the list.

Dev, pretty please?  Grin

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The 'clear orphans' feature would be really great as I get many of them lately.......
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November 09, 2015, 12:29:57 AM
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Swing is a great coin, I'm really enjoying its unique concept.

A feature I would REALLY LOVE to see in a future wallet upgrade is that the main window can be resized and put to full screen. Another great feature would be if we could clear the orphans in the list.

Dev, pretty please?  Grin

+1

The 'clear orphans' feature would be really great as I get many of them lately.......

I concur. It drives me nuts that I can't maximize the wallet screen. Also been getting a lot of orphans lately.

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November 10, 2015, 09:37:24 AM
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what is the best way to coin control these coins any tips?

Here's all the discussion we've had so far on the topic. Personally I just put it in the wallet in bulk and let it split itself up.

I've been experimenting with different input amounts to try and increase my relative weight. I've been trying to find an equilibrium between magnitude of inputs and size of inputs. I think, it may be more profitable to stake with multiple wallet when you have more than a few thousand swing. This is because of the nStakeCombineThreshold at "1000 * COIN." I think if it were amended, then there would be a reduced incentive for someone to run multiple wallets. This idea I have is under the assumption that running multiple wallets does not give someone an unfair advantage to receive staked rewards. If running multiple wallets through VMs does constitute an unfair advantage, then perhaps an amendment of the combine threshold would eliminate or even just reduced the incentive to do so. Then again multiple wallets would make the network stronger, as long as the owner's security is top notch.

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This is actually some really interesting questioning and insight thank you for posting and digging into it a little. This is exactly the kind of discussion we need to work towards improving the core. To be honest I have not dug into that portion of the code very deeply. However, I have been under the impression that coins split into two inputs when they stake not combine. Are you under the impression that they recombine when you have more than 1k? Or am I completely mistaken here?

Thanks for the discussion!  Smiley



Yes, if you have thousands of coins in the wallet, then they will split and then recombine depending on the number of inputs your wallet has. If you have a high number of inputs, then the wallet will recombine them in chunks of 1000 coins, and then proceed to split into two inputs from there.

Here are some examples:

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/swing/tx.dws?82948.htm
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/swing/block.dws?50666.htm
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/swing/block.dws?50657.htm

If you were inclined to change the nStakeCombineThreshold in a future wallet release, it could be found at the top of the wallet.cpp file.

I think the problem with such a low amount of coins to combine can be disadvantageous to those with more than one thousand coins in their wallet because the transactions that combine your inputs destroys over 1000 stake weight and te new weight climbs more slowly. On the other hand, it gives an advantage to those with lower amounts of coins because they can achieve a closer to full stake weight with their smaller inputs, and they wan also create as many inputs as the'd like.

Although, the probability that you will hit a staked block increases with input size, so that may be the reason for the slower accumulation of weight in relation to input size.

I think if the nStakeCombineThreshold were increased to somewhere between 2500-5000 in a future release, then it would be more fair to those with medium size wallets, considering the low supply of coins. Once the supply of Swing is in the multimillions, it may make sense to adjust it down. jmho



I've been doing some testing with wallets that have around 600-700 each. They still will combine the inputs even the the nStakeCombineThreshold is 1000. Does anyone know why that is?



Just guesswork and theory here, but I would assume that it's not advantageous to allow staking inputs to get too small.

I had the inputs at 100 for some and 200 for other wallets.

I still have two running with 600 each and they have weights of 962 and 888. They both have already staked once each, splitting an input of 200.

I also am experimenting with two other wallets with 200 in each. The first has one input of 200. The other has five inputs of 20 an ten inputs of 10. So far I've found that weight climbs faster for larger inputs. I was under the impression that more and smaller inputs gained weight faster, but maybe I was wrong.

Weight does climb faster for larger inputs by the way. We found that out the hard way back in Greed when I tried to launch with 10 seed coins. Didn't go well.   Lips sealed
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November 10, 2015, 09:49:24 AM
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Swing is a great coin, I'm really enjoying its unique concept.

A feature I would REALLY LOVE to see in a future wallet upgrade is that the main window can be resized and put to full screen. Another great feature would be if we could clear the orphans in the list.

Dev, pretty please?  Grin

+1

The 'clear orphans' feature would be really great as I get many of them lately.......

I concur. It drives me nuts that I can't maximize the wallet screen. Also been getting a lot of orphans lately.



Thanks for the input guys!

I'm happy to see the community chatting about what needs to be done.

The couple posts and some of the discussion from the radio show got me thinking about communication and project management.

We need a good clean way for us to collaborate and progress as a whole. I don't have the perfect solution to this, but I decided to start organizing things a little.

This page tracks what we are / want / need to do. It is open for comments, and anyone who asks will be given access to add new "cards".
https://trello.com/b/RTj6sMTd/swingcoin

Concerning maximizing the wallet:
I actually hadn't realized this till you guys mentioned it. Thanks for doing so. We will have to poke around the code and see how to solve this. I can try to do so in my spare time but anyone with knowledge of the solution or skills to figure it out would help things along significantly by posting. We should be able to push a minor optional wallet alternative with minor updates like that.

Concerning Orphans:
While I like the idea of an option to clear out orphans in the list, I think it might be more of a challenge that initially expected for such a small feature. The real concern here isn't the history displaying orphans, it's the fact that there are orphans to begin with. Is the orphan rate excessive witch any of you? Or just occasional? We have spoken lightly as a community about a connectivity patch in the past. In short, some people experience out of sync issues when reconnecting to the network. We dug into this and found the cause to be rounding errors. It's reasonable to assume the cause for some orphans could be the same problem. In short the fix for this requires doing the reward math a little differently (with the same outcome) and versioning up the core code. Doing this is an intentional fork, and comes with strain on the network and stress for all of us. Given the minor nature of the issues and the relative stability of the blockchain I've opted to delay this patch till we started talking about additional core upgrades to push in bulk. I think now is a good time to bring this back up and start discussing it as a group.

Again, thanks for the feedback everyone.

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November 10, 2015, 08:08:28 PM
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A multipool that pays in SWING would be very nice. Good radio show btw.

lovely low prices Smiley

                                 
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November 10, 2015, 09:47:59 PM
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maybe stupid question, or staked reward depending for OS and pc system performance? it seems to me after I launch swing wallet in old laptop with Windows xp rewards quantity per day decrease.

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I've noticed some data errors in the chart on TrySwing.com (on my end at least). Reaching out to the dev to take a look. Please note the network is operating as expected, it's the chart that is potentially a little off at the moment.

maybe stupid question, or staked reward depending for OS and pc system performance? it seems to me after I launch swing wallet in old laptop with Windows xp rewards quantity per day decrease.

Not a stupid question. I suppose it's a possibility but I do not know for sure. I could only make guesses. Is it a significant change? You also need to factor in your weight and net weight. If you sent your coins over the blockchain rather than file transfer that would have destroyed your weight. If everyone started staking again that would make it harder to break blocks too.

A multipool that pays in SWING would be very nice. Good radio show btw.

lovely low prices Smiley

So i've been digging into this some. I know One community member spoke about trying to make one. I've been looking into guides and it seems like a bit of a challenge.

Sometimes the simple solution is the best.

CoinKing.io does profit switching and lets you choose which coin you want to be paid out in. It seems you don't even need an account anymore, (unless you want extra stats) you just point your miners and include your payout adddress.

They have added Swing as a mining option in their rotation, meaning they are currently mining Swing when it gets profitable and selling it off for other coins automatically.

However, they do not currently offer Swing payouts..

If they did, we could point our miners at CoinKing dominantly, and in theory since Swing is in the rotation it will switch between mining swing directly or other alts and converting into swing. This would add some nice Buy pressure to the market (instead of just sell pressure) and increase the profitability of miners.

The automated buys and sells would create some nice default movement in the markets for traders to play with as well.

I think we should push for this as a community. It's the quick, easy, and reputable solution.

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November 11, 2015, 02:30:58 AM
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not sure if you've heard of these guys http://steakcloud.com/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1178345.0

but they have added a few coins to multipool recently, Steps being one example, and they also pay out in the currency of your choice......so they would mine other stuff

with various algo's etc and sell those coins and buy swing to use for payouts. maybe worth a look into Wink
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not sure if you've heard of these guys http://steakcloud.com/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1178345.0

but they have added a few coins to multipool recently, Steps being one example, and they also pay out in the currency of your choice......so they would mine other stuff

with various algo's etc and sell those coins and buy swing to use for payouts. maybe worth a look into Wink

Looks solid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EZecupoig8

I sent them a request

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Developer of Swing here. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1164721.0)

We're looking for a multipool that will let us auto-convert to swing. Ideally keeping the option to mine swing directly in case it's more profitable at the time. (That way Swing miners can switch to primarily mining on the multipool)

We are currently pushing for CoinKing to do this, they are mining it but don't offer auto conversion to swing. One of our community members suggested SteakCloud and it seems to be a solid solution too.

It's my expectation that whoever provides this first will become the primary swing pool from this point on.

Thanks for your time!

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November 11, 2015, 09:00:37 AM
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SWING is Great!  I have a relationship with the SWING block!  Every 1000 SWING blocks, I remember my highest stake!  Checking block explorer/in wallet block count is like prime time entertainment. 

I'd be nice to have a wallet chat where we can compare coin age, save development ideas in a community brainstorm or chat with others on wallet collectively.

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