Analysis and list of top big blocks shills (XT #REKT ignorers)

[keepdoing]

Here we go:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1330351.new#new

Theymos has censored this again, moved off to the alt coin wilderness.

I personally think this is good news.  Theymos has obviously seen the light.  He's taken a thread titled and talking about Bitcoin Core, and moved it to the Altcoins board.  Pretty soon he'll have to move all the soon-to-be-defunct Bitcoin Core discussion to Altcoin status.  Although more likely is Deadend Chain Coin status.  RIP.

Classic isn't even released yet and almost 75% is already lined up in support.  It is possible that this thing is over almost as fast as it begins.   And my bet is that almost everyone jumps to the Classic Chain within hours of the 75% trigger.

However, my guess is also that the bitter weasels of Blockstream/Core are frantically coding timebombs to try and wage a scorched earth war.  You can already see how petty they are acting trying to disrupt Classic discussion.  

This is why everyone needs to be ready to Download Classic Nodes as soon as available.  Classic needs to Roll Out like a Crushing Tidalwave to remove ALL Public Doubt that the Bitcoin Community is totally in support of Classic.

No Complacency.  DO not doubt for a second that the Fork will be met with a furious FUD, DDOS, Doublespend Attempt series of attacks.   The second the Classic Download Button goes active - it is All Hands On Deck!   There will be a very short but intense war.

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

Here we go:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1330351.new#new

Theymos has censored this again, moved off to the alt coin wilderness.

I personally think this is good news.  Theymos has obviously seen the light.  He's taken a thread titled and talking about Bitcoin Core, and moved it to the Altcoins board.  Pretty soon he'll have to move all the soon-to-be-defunct Bitcoin Core discussion to Altcoin status.  Although more likely is Deadend Chain Coin status.  RIP.

Classic isn't even released yet and almost 75% is already lined up in support.  It is possible that this thing is over almost as fast as it begins.   And my bet is that almost everyone jumps to the Classic Chain within hours of the 75% trigger.

However, my guess is also that the bitter weasels of Blockstream/Core are frantically coding timebombs to try and wage a scorched earth war.  You can already see how petty they are acting trying to disrupt Classic discussion.  

This is why everyone needs to be ready to Download Classic Nodes as soon as available.  Classic needs to Roll Out like a Crushing Tidalwave to remove ALL Public Doubt that the Bitcoin Community is totally in support of Classic.

No Complacency.  DO not doubt for a second that the Fork will be met with a furious FUD, DDOS, Doublespend Attempt series of attacks.   The second the Classic Download Button goes active - it is All Hands On Deck!   There will be a very short but intense war.

June at the earliest

[sAt0sHiFanClub]

Here we go:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1330351.new#new

Theymos has censored this again, moved off to the alt coin wilderness.

I personally think this is good news.  Theymos has obviously seen the light.  He's taken a thread titled and talking about Bitcoin Core, and moved it to the Altcoins board.  Pretty soon he'll have to move all the soon-to-be-defunct Bitcoin Core discussion to Altcoin status.  Although more likely is Deadend Chain Coin status.  RIP.

Classic isn't even released yet and almost 75% is already lined up in support.  It is possible that this thing is over almost as fast as it begins.   And my bet is that almost everyone jumps to the Classic Chain within hours of the 75% trigger.

However, my guess is also that the bitter weasels of Blockstream/Core are frantically coding timebombs to try and wage a scorched earth war.  You can already see how petty they are acting trying to disrupt Classic discussion.  

This is why everyone needs to be ready to Download Classic Nodes as soon as available.  Classic needs to Roll Out like a Crushing Tidalwave to remove ALL Public Doubt that the Bitcoin Community is totally in support of Classic.

No Complacency.  DO not doubt for a second that the Fork will be met with a furious FUD, DDOS, Doublespend Attempt series of attacks.   The second the Classic Download Button goes active - it is All Hands On Deck!   There will be a very short but intense war.

Good spot, I never looked at it that way!! 

Way to go Theymos, you are certainly on the ball.

[Lauda]

The truth may be more simple: the economy lost faith in core to solve the scalability problem.

And yes, this is a takeover. Core forgot that bitcoin is not just development, but also economy and politic. They ignored the needs of the economy, and the politics of consensus. It's not fair to only blame big blockers when we slide into a contentious hardfork.Maybe their way can be considered technical better - but politically it was not the safest and secure, but the most dangerous way: the way that increased the risk of a contentious hardfork.

Is the economy supposed to decide on the technicalities of the system? Are we going to let people who major in economics and politics make the most important decisions that people with an IT degree need to be making? If so, then I might as well tear apart my 'degree'.

When did companies become laboratory-mices for developers to publicly proove a thesis?
At least it was bad style from Todd, especially so short after coinbase said they support lightning and bitcoin.org relistet them. And if I remember correctly, on top of this Todd released a python-script how to do

Everyone overreacted. It was 10$ (I think, not sure) and he offered to give it back. This is not a big deal at all.

Define spam.negl
Who decides what spam is and what usecases to restrict? If you decide now that some kind of transaction are considered as spam and thus prohibited, you act like a regulator. Every node and miner can decide to prohibit spam - and should be allowed to chose his own definition of spam - but we don't need a central regime where a bunch of people decide which transactions are not worth to get in the chain.

IIRC a signature campaign that was paying out daily, that can be considered very spammy and the amount were negligible (that would be an example; who am I to define spam for everyone?).

Core's policy not to publicly "panic" each time this happens.

Really? That's something I never heard.

If everyone heard about it then the policy would not make much sense now would it?

I remember posts not deleted but moved in altcoin-section. Hiding something in a niche is also some kind of censorship.

So what is moderation then? An abstract action that does not exist anymore?

[VeritasSapere]

The truth may be more simple: the economy lost faith in core to solve the scalability problem.

And yes, this is a takeover. Core forgot that bitcoin is not just development, but also economy and politic. They ignored the needs of the economy, and the politics of consensus. It's not fair to only blame big blockers when we slide into a contentious hardfork.Maybe their way can be considered technical better - but politically it was not the safest and secure, but the most dangerous way: the way that increased the risk of a contentious hardfork.

Is the economy supposed to decide on the technicalities of the system? Are we going to let people who major in economics and politics make the most important decisions that people with an IT degree need to be making? If so, then I might as well tear apart my 'degree'.

We need both IT experts, economists and political thinkers in order to fully understand and decide the paths we choose to take. Bitcoin requires a multidisciplinary approach in order to gain a better and wider understanding of its mechanisms and effects. Not everything in Bitcoin can be understood from an engineering perspective, economic arguments and issues have been highly prevalent in the blocksize debate for instance. This is why the Bitcoin Unlimited Articles of federation states this explicitly.

The voices of scientists, scholars, developers, entrepreneurs, investors and users should all be heard and respected.

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

The truth may be more simple: the economy lost faith in core to solve the scalability problem.

And yes, this is a takeover. Core forgot that bitcoin is not just development, but also economy and politic. They ignored the needs of the economy, and the politics of consensus. It's not fair to only blame big blockers when we slide into a contentious hardfork.Maybe their way can be considered technical better - but politically it was not the safest and secure, but the most dangerous way: the way that increased the risk of a contentious hardfork.

Is the economy supposed to decide on the technicalities of the system? Are we going to let people who major in economics and politics make the most important decisions that people with an IT degree need to be making? If so, then I might as well tear apart my 'degree'.

We need both IT experts, economists and political thinkers in order to fully understand and decide the paths we choose to take. Bitcoin requires a multidisciplinary approach in order to gain a better and wider understanding of its mechanisms and effects. This is why in the Bitcoin Unlimited Articles of Federation it does state this explicitly.

The voices of scientists, scholars, developers, entrepreneurs, investors and users should all be heard and respected.

Articles of Federation hard fork coming up to add jstolfi and TPTB_need_war

[VeritasSapere]

The truth may be more simple: the economy lost faith in core to solve the scalability problem.

And yes, this is a takeover. Core forgot that bitcoin is not just development, but also economy and politic. They ignored the needs of the economy, and the politics of consensus. It's not fair to only blame big blockers when we slide into a contentious hardfork.Maybe their way can be considered technical better - but politically it was not the safest and secure, but the most dangerous way: the way that increased the risk of a contentious hardfork.

Is the economy supposed to decide on the technicalities of the system? Are we going to let people who major in economics and politics make the most important decisions that people with an IT degree need to be making? If so, then I might as well tear apart my 'degree'.

We need both IT experts, economists and political thinkers in order to fully understand and decide the paths we choose to take. Bitcoin requires a multidisciplinary approach in order to gain a better and wider understanding of its mechanisms and effects. This is why in the Bitcoin Unlimited Articles of Federation it does state this explicitly.

The voices of scientists, scholars, developers, entrepreneurs, investors and users should all be heard and respected.

Articles of Federation hard fork coming up to add jstolfi and TPTB_need_war

Bitcoin Unlimited is fully compatible with any changes that are introduced through Bitcoin Classic. I fully support Bitcoin Classic and I am very pleased we are finally reaching a super majority on this issue, the original vision of Satoshi triumphs.

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

The truth may be more simple: the economy lost faith in core to solve the scalability problem.

And yes, this is a takeover. Core forgot that bitcoin is not just development, but also economy and politic. They ignored the needs of the economy, and the politics of consensus. It's not fair to only blame big blockers when we slide into a contentious hardfork.Maybe their way can be considered technical better - but politically it was not the safest and secure, but the most dangerous way: the way that increased the risk of a contentious hardfork.

Is the economy supposed to decide on the technicalities of the system? Are we going to let people who major in economics and politics make the most important decisions that people with an IT degree need to be making? If so, then I might as well tear apart my 'degree'.

We need both IT experts, economists and political thinkers in order to fully understand and decide the paths we choose to take. Bitcoin requires a multidisciplinary approach in order to gain a better and wider understanding of its mechanisms and effects. This is why in the Bitcoin Unlimited Articles of Federation it does state this explicitly.

The voices of scientists, scholars, developers, entrepreneurs, investors and users should all be heard and respected.

Articles of Federation hard fork coming up to add jstolfi and TPTB_need_war

Bitcoin Unlimited is fully compatible with any changes that are introduced through Bitcoin Classic. I fully support Bitcoin Classic and I am very pleased we are finally reaching a super majority on this issue, the original vision of Satoshi triumphs.

Finally!   That's why it took six years, Satoshi neglected to write Articles of Federation.

[iCEBREAKER]

[danielW]

Coinbase and blockchain alliance (including its member Gavin) will take over the mantle (or at least try to).

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

Coinbase and blockchain alliance (including its member Gavin) will take over the mantle (or at least try to).

Bitpay has the marketshare on blacklisting.

[danielW]

Coinbase and blockchain alliance (including its member Gavin) will take over the mantle (or at least try to).

Bitpay has the marketshare on blacklisting.

Yeah they are another card carrying member of blockchain alliance. They are not as determined in the takeover attempt as coinbase is tho.


What will the blockchain alliance try to force onto the network once they have control? Shudder at the thought. These companies business model is based on being in the favour of regulators and government.

[hdbuck]

Here we go:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1330351.new#new

Theymos has censored this again, moved off to the alt coin wilderness.

I personally think this is good news.  Theymos has obviously seen the light.  He's taken a thread titled and talking about Bitcoin Core, and moved it to the Altcoins board.  Pretty soon he'll have to move all the soon-to-be-defunct Bitcoin Core discussion to Altcoin status.  Although more likely is Deadend Chain Coin status.  RIP.

Classic isn't even released yet and almost 75% is already lined up in support.  It is possible that this thing is over almost as fast as it begins.   And my bet is that almost everyone jumps to the Classic Chain within hours of the 75% trigger.

However, my guess is also that the bitter weasels of Blockstream/Core are frantically coding timebombs to try and wage a scorched earth war.  You can already see how petty they are acting trying to disrupt Classic discussion.  

This is why everyone needs to be ready to Download Classic Nodes as soon as available.  Classic needs to Roll Out like a Crushing Tidalwave to remove ALL Public Doubt that the Bitcoin Community is totally in support of Classic.

No Complacency.  DO not doubt for a second that the Fork will be met with a furious FUD, DDOS, Doublespend Attempt series of attacks.   The second the Classic Download Button goes active - it is All Hands On Deck!   There will be a very short but intense war.

June at the earliest

Tidalwave^tm..





PS: n00bs.

[Lauda]

Is the economy supposed to decide on the technicalities of the system? Are we going to let people who major in economics and politics make the most important decisions that people with an IT degree need to be making? If so, then I might as well tear apart my 'degree'.

We need both IT experts, economists and political thinkers in order to fully understand and decide the paths we choose to take. Bitcoin requires a multidisciplinary approach in order to gain a better and wider understanding of its mechanisms and effects. Not everything in Bitcoin can be understood from an engineering perspective, economic arguments and issues have been highly prevalent in the blocksize debate for instance. This is why the Bitcoin Unlimited Articles of federation states this explicitly.
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Should they all be working together? Yes. Should people who major in economics and politics decide what the infrastructure can and can not take or what the better approach between 2 is? No. That's a job for the engineers and this is what they've been studying for their entire life.

Bitcoin Unlimited is fully compatible with any changes that are introduced through Bitcoin Classic. I fully support Bitcoin Classic and I am very pleased we are finally reaching a super majority on this issue, the original vision of Satoshi triumphs.

That's worse than the situation that we've had before and this has nothing to do with Satoshis vision.

[Bergmann_Christoph]

Coinbase and blockchain alliance (including its member Gavin) will take over the mantle (or at least try to).

Wait vor core 0.12. They'll integrate the option to ban other nodes

[VeritasSapere]

Is the economy supposed to decide on the technicalities of the system? Are we going to let people who major in economics and politics make the most important decisions that people with an IT degree need to be making? If so, then I might as well tear apart my 'degree'.

We need both IT experts, economists and political thinkers in order to fully understand and decide the paths we choose to take. Bitcoin requires a multidisciplinary approach in order to gain a better and wider understanding of its mechanisms and effects. Not everything in Bitcoin can be understood from an engineering perspective, economic arguments and issues have been highly prevalent in the blocksize debate for instance. This is why the Bitcoin Unlimited Articles of federation states this explicitly.

Should they all be working together? Yes. Should people who major in economics and politics decide what the infrastructure can and can not take or what the better approach between 2 is? No. That's a job for the engineers and this is what they've been studying for their entire life.

We need the engineers to tell ideologues like myself what is possible. Great engineers like Gavin Andresen and Jeff Garzick are saying that an increase to two megabytes is possible, I have no reason to think that is not the case.

[Lauda]

We need the engineers to tell ideologues like myself what is possible. Great engineers like Gavin Andresen and Jeff Garzick are saying that an increase to two megabytes is possible, I have no reason to think that is not the case.

Great engineers like Gavin and Jeff? Is this some joke or an insult to the actual great engineers of the modern world?
2 MB is possible obviously, but it is redundant in comparison to SegWit. As things stand now, the deployment time for either option is going to be similar (even if Classic takes off). 2 MB blocks do not bring anything with them, SegWit brings a lot of benefits (and the increase in capacity is just a bonus).

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

We need the engineers to tell ideologues like myself what is possible. Great engineers like Gavin Andresen and Jeff Garzick are saying that an increase to two megabytes is possible, I have no reason to think that is not the case.

Great engineers like Gavin and Jeff? Is this some joke or an insult to the actual great engineers of the modern world?
2 MB is possible obviously, but it is redundant in comparison to SegWit. As things stand now, the deployment time for either option is going to be similar (even if Classic takes off). 2 MB blocks do not bring anything with them, SegWit brings a lot of benefits (and the increase in capacity is just a bonus).

This bolded bit is an odd thing to say. Some really bright folks think we can have both.

[BitUsher]

This bolded bit is an odd thing to say. Some really bright folks think we can have both.

Bitcoin Classic Is just BIP102 without Segwit , and would be a more interesting choice if it really did include both. As of right now Core + Segwit appears to be the better option. Perhaps another implementation is needed to differentiate itself enough.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

This bolded bit is an odd thing to say. Some really bright folks think we can have both.

Bitcoin Classic Is just BIP102 without Segwit , and would be a more interesting choice if it really did include both. As of right now Core + Segwit appears to be the better option. Perhaps another implementation is needed to differentiate itself enough.

One day this war has to end.