ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT

[adamstgBit]

lol they all agree that there doesn't need to be a block size increase but they all agree to increase to HF 2MB in a year...

The subtlety appears lost on you adam. You do understand that "2MB yesterday" and "2MB in one year" are different to each other, don't you?

I'm pointing out that the difference in opinion from both sides is only time frame.

No you weren't, you were trying to suggest that the Core devs were contradicting themselves ("they disagree with blocksize increases, but they also agree to an increase in 2 years")


Kind of ironic, that it's actually you that was representing the contradiction, don't you think?

in anycase  Trace Mayer is wrong about them disagreeing with a blocksize increase..  unless what i've been hearing about most core devs like ( or will at least entertain ) the idea of 2MB block limit in 2017, is lies.

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[watashi-kokoto]

Core devs should

• tell the truth

OR

• deliver code

?

I don't give a fuck, devs can lie every day. Confusing retards is a good thing.

[adamstgBit]

https://youtu.be/aV_5GonmRzU?t=11m22s

i want to talk about this "nuclear option" he speaks of; Switching the POW algo and make every single miner useless.

I think it's very important to note that devs need the support from economic marjory to do anything. let alone change the POW algo...
If they tried to pull this off, all they would really achieve is forking THEMSELVES off OUR Bitcoin Network.

[hdbuck]

[adamstgBit]

someone needs to tell them that with pools small time operations with 1 machine and a shit internet conection can mine bitcoin.

trying to send a billion dollars with bitcoin would be fascinating, especially if you didnt have any BTC to boot.

I can see it now a 1billion dollar wall, for once the wall observer thread would be OT.

[Fatman3001]

I guess it makes sense to support Core if you don't understand how Bitcoin works.

[watashi-kokoto]

Could hellobitcoinworld possibly be any more melodramatic and self-pitying?
 

Who is hellobitcoinworld anyway? A shadow eminence, tresaury holder, puppet master ? Or is it something deeper?

[AlexGR]

I guess it makes sense to support Core if you don't understand how Bitcoin works.

What are you referring to?

[iCEBREAKER]

The Gavinista movement survived internal controversy about 2MB vs "Unlimited" block sizes, as they could agree on 2MB as a temporary anti-Core thin wedge.  But they cannot survive splitting into multiple PoWs, which is Toomin's latest bright high-dea....

https://forum.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-discussion/bigger-blocks-discussion-jonathan-toomin-guy-corem-t5080.html

1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 09:18:41:To have clear seperation between Classic and Core
1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 09:18:45:They can change the transaction format
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 09:18:58:I understand
1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 09:18:59:they can increment the Transaction version number
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 09:19:12:So they'll need to do that as well in the POW HF
1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 09:19:19:the patch that luke-jr submitted to me for the PoW change did not do that
1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 09:19:26:so they'll have to add it

https://medium.com/@yanislav/decentralize-bitcoin-again-bigger-blocks-and-a-new-dynamic-pow-199a68dbf34a

we should rapidly change the PoW algorithm to make it impossible to build custom ASIC hardware

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/announcement-bitcoin-project-to-full-fork-to-flexible-blocksizes.933/

Start with the scrypt algorithm as a base starting point

https://github.com/satoshisbitcoin/satoshisbitcoin

Why change the POW algorithm?
This step is technically required to implement a full fork where a minority of users wishes to break away from the main chain.

INB4 "Satoshi's Bitcoin" #R3KT thread...   

[classicsucks]

Toomin's latest bright high-dea....

Nice detective work. This Toomin clown seems to be dangerously clueless.

Can someone in the community make him a sandbox to thrash around in? Please, somebody give him commit access to some shitcoin's source code!

As for Gavin, I assume he's getting all giddy because there are over 2000 Classic nodes running? Still only 4% of blocks mined by Classic however.

Have others seen this?: http://nodecounter.com/announcement.php

[alani123]

Toomin's latest bright high-dea....

Nice detective work. This Toomin clown seems to be dangerously clueless.

Can someone in the community make him a sandbox to thrash around in? Please, somebody give him commit access to some shitcoin's source code!

As for Gavin, I assume he's getting all giddy because there are over 2000 Classic nodes running? Still only 4% of blocks mined by Classic however.

Have others seen this?: http://nodecounter.com/announcement.php

It's not safe to assume that Gavin himself fired up those nodes, what's safe to assume is that they're all fake. It's been done in the past and it's likely being done right now as well. As proven again and again, node numbers are very easily faked, thousands of fake nodes can be hosted for cheap but they contribute nothing to the network.

[hdbuck]

Toomin's latest bright high-dea....

Nice detective work. This Toomin clown seems to be dangerously clueless.

Can someone in the community make him a sandbox to thrash around in? Please, somebody give him commit access to some shitcoin's source code!

As for Gavin, I assume he's getting all giddy because there are over 2000 Classic nodes running? Still only 4% of blocks mined by Classic however.

Have others seen this?: http://nodecounter.com/announcement.php

It's not safe to assume that Gavin himself fired up those nodes, what's safe to assume is that they're all fake. It's been done in the past and it's likely being done right now as well. As proven again and again, node numbers are very easily faked, thousands of fake nodes can be hosted for cheap but they contribute nothing to the network.

afaik they are real AWS free trial nodes.

51% of Bitcoin Classic Nodes Hosted on AWS
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/499bai/51_of_bitcoin_classic_nodes_hosted_on_aws/

https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=Amazon.com,%20Inc.


https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/44syq6/start_a_classic_node_in_aws_in_under_20_minutes/

[Lauda]

afaik they are real AWS free trial nodes.

51% of Bitcoin Classic Nodes Hosted on AWS
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/499bai/51_of_bitcoin_classic_nodes_hosted_on_aws/
https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=Amazon.com,%20Inc.
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/44syq6/start_a_classic_node_in_aws_in_under_20_minutes/

I don't think that anything more is necessary. Having so many nodes at one place is pointless.

[exstasie]

Gavin even said that many had pledged to "spin up" thousands of nodes... how valuable is that? It doesn't mean that people are switching from Core. The node counts don't look like people are switching either. I don't want any forked coins, I'll keep running my Core node to make sure I don't get any.

[marky89]

What about the exchanges? Do they have any liabilities to worry about if they start sending customers "Classic" coins after they've bought bitcoins? It seems like there could be no question that the original 1MB version of the software would be "bitcoins" before a court of law, but what about coins that are only valid on the forked network?

[iCEBREAKER]

What about the exchanges? Do they have any liabilities to worry about if they start sending customers "Classic" coins after they've bought bitcoins? It seems like there could be no question that the original 1MB version of the software would be "bitcoins" before a court of law, but what about coins that are only valid on the forked network?

The intra- and post-contentious-hardfork nightmare scenario should terrify Coinbase (and their lawyers/insurers/investors) but for some unfathomable reason they insist on pushing forward into such uncharted, fog-of-war obscured territory.

They seem to be intent on confiscating all their users' CoreCoins (IE Bitcoins) and replacing them with BIS-friendly ClassicCoins.

Of course, This Will Not Stand.  But regardless, Brian Armstrong has been sufficiently motivated to go all-in by supporting the governance coup to the hilt.

[marcus_of_augustus]

What about the exchanges? Do they have any liabilities to worry about if they start sending customers "Classic" coins after they've bought bitcoins? It seems like there could be no question that the original 1MB version of the software would be "bitcoins" before a court of law, but what about coins that are only valid on the forked network?

The intra- and post-contentious-hardfork nightmare scenario should terrify Coinbase (and their lawyers/insurers/investors) but for some unfathomable reason they insist on pushing forward into such uncharted, fog-of-war obscured territory.

They seem to be intent on confiscating all their users' CoreCoins (IE Bitcoins) and replacing them with BIS-friendly ClassicCoins.

Of course, This Will Not Stand.  But regardless, Brian Armstrong has been sufficiently motivated to go all-in by supporting the governance coup to the hilt.

... he seems quite desperate, like he has nothing to lose. Perhaps Coinbase is going the way of Gox, in a very NY, US govvy regulated kind of way though?

[watashi-kokoto]

before a court of law, but what about coins that are only valid on the forked network?

relax no hard fork would happen
they don't have the balls to actually do it

[MeteoImpact]

afaik they are real AWS free trial nodes.

51% of Bitcoin Classic Nodes Hosted on AWS
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/499bai/51_of_bitcoin_classic_nodes_hosted_on_aws/

https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=Amazon.com,%20Inc.


https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/44syq6/start_a_classic_node_in_aws_in_under_20_minutes/

Wow, that's just... wow. Look how big our node numbers are; that must mean we're legit! Meanwhile, Core nodes stay around the same numbers as they've been at since pretty much no one who ran a node before this ruckus is actually switching over...

[RealBitcoin]

I guess it makes sense to support Core if you don't understand how Bitcoin works.

I saw the twins in an interview and they are really amazing , one of the elite of bitcoin, but very good people.

They seem to support core and they have intelligently explained why = DECENTRALIZATION.

Unfortunately classic shills cant understand that a 100 petabyte blockchain will not make bitcoin decentralized.