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[jwzguy]

I'm not sure what the exchange rate has to do with this.  People who paid in BTC are being refunded in BTC and people who paid in USD are being refunded in USD. 

Everything. They're being refunded less BTC than they paid, according to the price in USD at today's BTC exchange rate. Even though it's been pointed out that he didn't exchange the BTC when it was deposited. So he's just pocketing the difference now.

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[gyverlb]

Even though it's been pointed out that he didn't exchange the BTC when it was deposited. So he's just pocketing the difference now.

Repeatedly saying so doesn't make it true and this whole thing is just ridiculous.

First, the ones receiving the BTC for BTCFPA are BitPay not Tom. The fact that they may not have moved the BTC for a transaction since then doesn't prove anything.

And even if BTC were paid directly to Tom's wallet if it was possible he is very well entitled to do whatever he wants with them as long as it's part of running his business. If he needs a cushion of BTC for day-to-day operations in order to avoid moving money around for each and every BTC transaction and have more time on hand it's his call.

[dmcurser]

Im not diputing getting a refund in btc or am i asking for the amount of btc i paid back when.
I am asking to have my refund refunded at the current btc rate as when i requested it.
 ie monday which the btc to usd price was 14.15.
Not the price when they see fit after a week or so when they get to it

[Sitarow]

Update on the BTCFPGA Forum.

Dear Friends, Lovers, and Enemies,

First off. Sorry for the scare. and believe me it was a SCARE - we had to refund over 200k and we were happy to do it because we claimed from day one that we will honor any refurequest until we go into production and we meant it. And  As crazy as fuck as it is to say so , we will sill honor it. We took multiple 20k+ refunds left and right without batting and eye lash because we believe in this project and we know we will be releasing our bASIC Bitcoin mining units sooner than everyone else, especially our good friends BFL.

Love us or hate us, I have some good friends who are original Bitcoin "old money" and they gave us the additional funding we need to finish the chip fab / packaging and take this thing into production. (THANK GOD!)

we WILL be shipping bASIC bitcoin mining devices in March 2013 and I am willing to put my own money against anyone who says otherwise.

The Design is done baby. The chips will be state-side as soon as Chinese New Year is over and for those who could not stomach the wait I don't blame you but I'm sorry to say you lost you place in line my friends.

March may seem a long time away as we all have ASIC blue balls right now, but its really not that far away, and I salute and congratulate all of you who have had the testicular fortitude to stick it out with us because you my friends will receive the ultimate reward. Sure Avalon may get some units out before the Chinese new year but that is sure to be a very limited number. On the other hand our assembly house has an unlimited assembly capacity and as soon as the Chinese new year ends we will have 16,000 freshly fabbed and packaged ASIC chips and we will be assembling those PCB's at FULL CAPACITY !We will be shipping ALL CURRENT ORDERS IN THE MONTH OF MARCH AND WE STILL HAVE ROOM FOR MORE ORDERS SO Get IN WHILE YOU STILL CAN! I stake my personal name and word on that. So hold on tight my friends because its going to be a wild ride in the month of March.

Now Let's Get ready to mine some serious coins
your friend always "cablepair"
Tom

source

[Sigma]

Update on the BTCFPGA Forum.

Dear Friends, Lovers, and Enemies,

First off. Sorry for the scare. and believe me it was a SCARE - we had to refund over 200k and we were happy to do it because we claimed from day one that we will honor any refurequest until we go into production and we meant it. And  As crazy as fuck as it is to say so , we will sill honor it. We took multiple 20k+ refunds left and right without batting and eye lash because we believe in this project and we know we will be releasing our bASIC Bitcoin mining units sooner than everyone else, especially our good friends BFL.

Love us or hate us, I have some good friends who are original Bitcoin "old money" and they gave us the additional funding we need to finish the chip fab / packaging and take this thing into production. (THANK GOD!)

we WILL be shipping bASIC bitcoin mining devices in March 2013 and I am willing to put my own money against anyone who says otherwise.

The Design is done baby. The chips will be state-side as soon as Chinese New Year is over and for those who could not stomach the wait I don't blame you but I'm sorry to say you lost you place in line my friends.

March may seem a long time away as we all have ASIC blue balls right now, but its really not that far away, and I salute and congratulate all of you who have had the testicular fortitude to stick it out with us because you my friends will receive the ultimate reward. Sure Avalon may get some units out before the Chinese new year but that is sure to be a very limited number. On the other hand our assembly house has an unlimited assembly capacity and as soon as the Chinese new year ends we will have 16,000 freshly fabbed and packaged ASIC chips and we will be assembling those PCB's at FULL CAPACITY !We will be shipping ALL CURRENT ORDERS IN THE MONTH OF MARCH AND WE STILL HAVE ROOM FOR MORE ORDERS SO Get IN WHILE YOU STILL CAN! I stake my personal name and word on that. So hold on tight my friends because its going to be a wild ride in the month of March.

Now Let's Get ready to mine some serious coins
your friend always "cablepair"
Tom

source

I am really glad that he is going forward, and hopefully everything works out.....

That said I cancelled my orders after dave and lukas reported badly and I will not be buying anything until I actually see a product. He really had a breach of trust at the very least and to regain that he is going to have to do a bit more than simple words, sorry.

[jamesg]

Wait, I thought he was rage quitting the project? 

And then selling to the Asians?

And now "winning"?


Too much drama.....

[kaerf]

yeah. too much back and forth going on here. weren't the new team members supposed to post/update about proof of work so far?

i appreciate tom's tenacity, but at this point he needs to show concrete evidence that the chips exist and actually work ... in whatever form. a single chip on a test board...anything concrete.

[Nemesis]

Update on the BTCFPGA Forum.

Dear Friends, Lovers, and Enemies,

First off. Sorry for the scare. and believe me it was a SCARE - we had to refund over 200k and we were happy to do it because we claimed from day one that we will honor any refurequest until we go into production and we meant it. And  As crazy as fuck as it is to say so , we will sill honor it. We took multiple 20k+ refunds left and right without batting and eye lash because we believe in this project and we know we will be releasing our bASIC Bitcoin mining units sooner than everyone else, especially our good friends BFL.

Love us or hate us, I have some good friends who are original Bitcoin "old money" and they gave us the additional funding we need to finish the chip fab / packaging and take this thing into production. (THANK GOD!)

we WILL be shipping bASIC bitcoin mining devices in March 2013 and I am willing to put my own money against anyone who says otherwise.

The Design is done baby. The chips will be state-side as soon as Chinese New Year is over and for those who could not stomach the wait I don't blame you but I'm sorry to say you lost you place in line my friends.

March may seem a long time away as we all have ASIC blue balls right now, but its really not that far away, and I salute and congratulate all of you who have had the testicular fortitude to stick it out with us because you my friends will receive the ultimate reward. Sure Avalon may get some units out before the Chinese new year but that is sure to be a very limited number. On the other hand our assembly house has an unlimited assembly capacity and as soon as the Chinese new year ends we will have 16,000 freshly fabbed and packaged ASIC chips and we will be assembling those PCB's at FULL CAPACITY !We will be shipping ALL CURRENT ORDERS IN THE MONTH OF MARCH AND WE STILL HAVE ROOM FOR MORE ORDERS SO Get IN WHILE YOU STILL CAN! I stake my personal name and word on that. So hold on tight my friends because its going to be a wild ride in the month of March.

Now Let's Get ready to mine some serious coins
your friend always "cablepair"
Tom

source

I am really glad that he is going forward, and hopefully everything works out.....

That said I cancelled my orders after dave and lukas reported badly and I will not be buying anything until I actually see a product. He really had a breach of trust at the very least and to regain that he is going to have to do a bit more than simple words, sorry.

That post gives you hope? Seriously ppl here wonder why there are so many scams?

[Bogart]

Forum still on lockdown.

No explanation for the chip delay.

Many refunds still outstanding (were any BTC refunds at all given since Friday the 11th?)

Oh, but we get plenty of empty hyperbole.  "HURRY HURRY STEP RIGHT UP!  THIS HERE IS A ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY!  THESE BABIES ARE GOING FAST!  GET 'EM QUICK BEFORE THEY'RE GONE GONE GONE!"

Good luck with that.

we WILL be shipping bASIC bitcoin mining devices in March 2013 and I am willing to put my own money against anyone who says otherwise.

Here: http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1116
Also: http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1128

[miter_myles]

Bahahah - Tom is a lost cause.. wow.. 

Entertaining nonetheless now..

[regular]

if u order from someone that you chargebacked from...can you still do a second chargeback after if you order again?  j/k

[repentance]

So Tom's post confirms what we all suspected - that they didn't have sufficient funds to take the project to completion.

Which actually makes Tom's comment about being willing to put his own money against anyone who says they won't ship in March ridiculous - why wasn't he putting his own money into completion of the project if he's got spare cash he can afford to lose lying around?

Does Tom even realise that this is no longer just about raising the funds to complete the project?  It's also about convincing people that whoever is leading the project is competent and Tom's "word" is not evidence of that.

[MeSarah]

"HURRY HURRY STEP RIGHT UP!  THIS HERE IS A ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY!  THESE BABIES ARE GOING FAST!  GET 'EM QUICK BEFORE THEY'RE GONE GONE GONE!"

Way to add some value to the discussion.

Thanks for the fish.

[eldentyrell]

Does Tom even realise that this is no longer just about raising the funds to complete the project?  It's also about convincing people that whoever is leading the project is competent and Tom's "word" is not evidence of that.

Quoted for emphasis.

[Bitinvestor]

Dear Friends, Lovers, and Enemies,

First off. Sorry for the scare. and believe me it was a SCARE - we had to refund over 200k and we were happy to do it because we claimed from day one that we will honor any refurequest until we go into production and we meant it. And  As crazy as fuck as it is to say so , we will sill honor it. We took multiple 20k+ refunds left and right without batting and eye lash because we believe in this project and we know we will be releasing our bASIC Bitcoin mining units sooner than everyone else, especially our good friends BFL.

Love us or hate us, I have some good friends who are original Bitcoin "old money" and they gave us the additional funding we need to finish the chip fab / packaging and take this thing into production. (THANK GOD!)

we WILL be shipping bASIC bitcoin mining devices in March 2013 and I am willing to put my own money against anyone who says otherwise.

The Design is done baby. The chips will be state-side as soon as Chinese New Year is over and for those who could not stomach the wait I don't blame you but I'm sorry to say you lost you place in line my friends.

March may seem a long time away as we all have ASIC blue balls right now, but its really not that far away, and I salute and congratulate all of you who have had the testicular fortitude to stick it out with us because you my friends will receive the ultimate reward. Sure Avalon may get some units out before the Chinese new year but that is sure to be a very limited number. On the other hand our assembly house has an unlimited assembly capacity and as soon as the Chinese new year ends we will have 16,000 freshly fabbed and packaged ASIC chips and we will be assembling those PCB's at FULL CAPACITY !We will be shipping ALL CURRENT ORDERS IN THE MONTH OF MARCH AND WE STILL HAVE ROOM FOR MORE ORDERS SO Get IN WHILE YOU STILL CAN! I stake my personal name and word on that. So hold on tight my friends because its going to be a wild ride in the month of March.

Now Let's Get ready to mine some serious coins
your friend always "cablepair"
Tom

source

This is not the same Tom that I pre-ordered from. He seems to have developed some mental health issues and/or a drinking problem in the meantime... sad but true.  

[heinz]

What about all those people who are waiting on bitcoin refunds that he seems to be ignoring.

[greyhawk]

Update on the BTCFPGA Forum.

wordstream from Tom

Good god, he's drunk as hell again.

[mining4fun11]

How sad this has turned out.  Maybe Toms big wife needs to send him to some AA meetings.  I wouldnt give him anymore funds as he already proven that he will dump the project without trying every angle when in a bind.

[Bogart]

Update on the BTCFPGA Forum.

wordstream from Tom

Good god, he's drunk as hell again.

Concur.

Count the errors in grammar, punctuation, spelling, typos, use of CAPS, spacing, etc, and compare to his posts from November and earlier.

Sure, the earlier ones aren't 100% clean either, but I see a marked difference.

[mezzomix]

Not executing the BTC refunds as promised and posting this message: Is Tom crazy now?

There is no trust anymore and only a complete idiot will pay a single cent to do a bASIC pre-order. This message just makes no sense. Tom, say no to drugs!