Proof that God exists

[yugo23]

As many have repeated before me: show us scientific, demonstrable proof. Proof that we can test. And each test to provide the same result. Something that we can put math on. Not guesswork. The computer you use it was not made by guessing. It's something precise.
The 3 arguments that you've provided have nothing to do with the existence of an entity that has all it's attributes to the absolute.
Maybe the universe is a big aquarium and aliens do tests on us. And the 13.7 billion /6.000 years of history are an accelerated dream.

He can't cause he doesn't really understand what he's talking about ^^

[af_newbie]

As many have repeated before me: show us scientific, demonstrable proof. Proof that we can test. And each test to provide the same result. Something that we can put math on. Not guesswork. The computer you use it was not made by guessing. It's something precise.
The 3 arguments that you've provided have nothing to do with the existence of an entity that has all it's attributes to the absolute.
Maybe the universe is a big aquarium and aliens do tests on us. And the 13.7 billion /6.000 years of history are an accelerated dream.

I think BADecker is stuck in an infinite loop. He needs to be rebooted and shipped to Topeka, KS.

BADecker, I think you should join Westboro church, you'll feel at home there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeqYm9DvCDo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBA6qlHW8po

Finding other apes that share your delusion might be very helpful.

[craked5]

As many have repeated before me: show us scientific, demonstrable proof. Proof that we can test. And each test to provide the same result. Something that we can put math on. Not guesswork. The computer you use it was not made by guessing. It's something precise.
The 3 arguments that you've provided have nothing to do with the existence of an entity that has all it's attributes to the absolute.
Maybe the universe is a big aquarium and aliens do tests on us. And the 13.7 billion /6.000 years of history are an accelerated dream.

I think BADecker is stuck in an infinite loop. He needs to be rebooted and shipped to Topeka, KS.

BADecker, I think you should join Westboro church, you'll feel at home there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeqYm9DvCDo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBA6qlHW8po

Finding other apes that share your delusion might be very helpful.

Yeah well that's because he's indeed totally stucked xD

He keeps repeating the same things!

[Daniel91]

As many have repeated before me: show us scientific, demonstrable proof. Proof that we can test. And each test to provide the same result. Something that we can put math on. Not guesswork. The computer you use, it was not made by guessing. It's something precise.
The 3 arguments that you've provided have nothing to do with the existence of an entity that has all its attributes to the absolute.
Maybe the universe is a big aquarium and aliens do tests on us. And the 13.7 billion /6.000 years of history are an accelerated dream.

God created whole universe, including all natural laws, science etc.
So, can created beings prove their creator?
Can we know or prove what existed before creation of Universe?
I don't think so.

[craked5]

As many have repeated before me: show us scientific, demonstrable proof. Proof that we can test. And each test to provide the same result. Something that we can put math on. Not guesswork. The computer you use, it was not made by guessing. It's something precise.
The 3 arguments that you've provided have nothing to do with the existence of an entity that has all its attributes to the absolute.
Maybe the universe is a big aquarium and aliens do tests on us. And the 13.7 billion /6.000 years of history are an accelerated dream.

God created whole universe, including all natural laws, science etc.
So, can created beings prove their creator?
Can we know or prove what existed before creation of Universe?
I don't think so.

Of course we can't that would be a complete nonsense!

[adverbelly]

When you take your last breath here on earth, you'll believe in God for sure but If you can not define what exactly God is, then how can you say that God does not exist?

i dont agree with you.. we cant know whether the so called god exist or not.. there will never be any proof of that controversial topic..

[af_newbie]

As many have repeated before me: show us scientific, demonstrable proof. Proof that we can test. And each test to provide the same result. Something that we can put math on. Not guesswork. The computer you use, it was not made by guessing. It's something precise.
The 3 arguments that you've provided have nothing to do with the existence of an entity that has all its attributes to the absolute.
Maybe the universe is a big aquarium and aliens do tests on us. And the 13.7 billion /6.000 years of history are an accelerated dream.

God created whole universe, including all natural laws, science etc.

How do you know that?  Straight out of your ass (or Bible perhaps?)?  If you say the Bible says so, the debate is over.

So, can created beings prove their creator?

We are not created by God.  Why would you assume this?

Can we know or prove what existed before creation of Universe?
I don't think so.

I agree.  If something remains undetectable, it cannot be proved.

[mrflibblehat]

Oh, I just hope to live long enough for science to prove you all wrong and then kick you in the nuts. Cause It's full of nuts here.

[Moloch]

Oh, I just hope to live long enough for science to prove you all wrong and then kick you in the nuts. Cause It's full of nuts here.

Anyone who thinks Wikipedia and 99% of the internet is a giant conspiracy against religion... is a nut...

Anyone who believes those crazy religious propaganda/pseudoscience videos that BADecker linked... is a fool...

Anyone who thinks science has proven God exists... is a nut...

Anyone who believes religion has proven God exists... is a fool...

Anyone who ignores scientific evidence, via experimentation, physically verifiable results, peer review, predictive qualities of theories, etc... in lieu of testimony based religious propaganda... is a tool...

Anyone who intentionally perverts the definition of the words: law, theory, hypothesis, proof, evidence, and fact... is a liar, con-artist, and a tool

[upsidedown75]

Behind every creation, there is a creator, this is common sense and logical and doesn't consume too many brain cells to work out whether God exists or not. Human itself is a proof that God exists.

[af_newbie]

Behind every creation, there is a creator, this is common sense and logical and doesn't consume too many brain cells to work out whether God exists or not. Human itself is a proof that God exists.

Some things in physics are not intuitive.  That is where some people use God to fill the gaps.

read this book before posting your theories about creation.

http://www.amazon.com/Universe-Nothing-There-Something-Rather/dp/1451624468/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455648962&sr=8-1&keywords=Universe+from+Nothing

[Moloch]

Behind every creation, there is a creator, this is common sense and logical and doesn't consume too many brain cells to work out whether God exists or not. Human itself is a proof that God exists.

Actually, this is not common sense...

Who says everything requires a creator?  Where is your evidence of such?

Humans are not created, humans are born... as a direct result of your parents having sex... God had nothing to do with it... He mostly didn't even watch them having sex... mostly...

[CasioK]

Humans have advanced through the many years, landed on the moon, made test-tube babies, carried out heart transplants, things that wouldn't be even dreamed of in the past, yet they are limited, no scientist today has justified the existence of man and how the planet/earth has come into existence. It means God only created Earth and then human.

[BADecker]

Behind every creation, there is a creator, this is common sense and logical and doesn't consume too many brain cells to work out whether God exists or not. Human itself is a proof that God exists.

Actually, this is not common sense...

Who says everything requires a creator?  Where is your evidence of such?

Humans are not created, humans are born... as a direct result of your parents having sex... God had nothing to do with it... He mostly didn't even watch them having sex... mostly...

"Humans are not created, humans are born... as a direct result of your parents having sex..." parents who were born as a direct result of their parents having sex... who were born as a direct result of their parents having sex... who were born as a direct result of their parents having sex... who were born as a direct result of their parents having sex... who were born as a direct result of their parents having sex... etc., etc. ... all the way back to when?

Oh yes. It's called cause and effect. All the way back to the time that God made the first two parents.

We see nothing other than this. We might guess that something called evolution made life out of the inanimate. We might have a few indicators that can be stretched to be interpreted as something called evolution making life out of the inanimate. But the thing that we ABSOLUTELY DO SEE is cause and effect all the way back to the Great First Cause.

[mrflibblehat]

Behind every creation, there is a creator, this is common sense and logical and doesn't consume too many brain cells to work out whether God exists or not. Human itself is a proof that God exists.

Let me tell you what's common sense: no one has heard or seen God. No one has any tangible proof. Until that's happens we'll stick to the things that are real around us. Sure, stories are nice, but for kids, to help them sleep.

[BADecker]

Humans have advanced through the many years, landed on the moon, made test-tube babies, carried out heart transplants, things that wouldn't be even dreamed of in the past, yet they are limited, no scientist today has justified the existence of man and how the planet/earth has come into existence. It means God only created Earth and then human.

Not only this but, humans have declined in humanitarian qualities. How do we know? The way that many of the advancements have been made is to steal other peoples' prosperity by stealing their property through taxation and other methods... methods used to do stupid things like landing on the moon, making test-tube babies, carrying out heart transplants when it would be a whole lot more beneficial to heal the heart, and a whole lot of other stupid things that wouldn't have been dreamed of in the past.

Meanwhile, the people who have had their property stolen, live in tent cities and poverty, and their plight is barely reported on by the media.

The so-called advancement of mankind is disgusting when you look at the destruction some people do to other people just to advance themselves.

 

[BADecker]

Behind every creation, there is a creator, this is common sense and logical and doesn't consume too many brain cells to work out whether God exists or not. Human itself is a proof that God exists.

Let me tell you what's common sense: no one has heard or seen God. No one has any tangible proof. Until that's happens we'll stick to the things that are real around us. Sure, stories are nice, but for kids, to help them sleep.

No one who is mentally and spiritually blind has seen God. But many of us see Him through the goodness He does for all of us, even for the mentally blind people.

[Moloch]

(usual nonsense)

Why are you even here?  Haven't you read the bible?

Here, let me help you:

You shall not go about as a talebearer among your people

Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Again, you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘Whoever of the children of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell in Israel, who gives any of his descendants to Molech, he shall surely be put to death.’”

Ignore the vowels in the name Moloch... Hebrew does not have vowels, they are arbitrarily(?) added during transliteration into English... the 3 letters used for Moloch are MLK (hebrew מלך, literally 'king')

“If there is found among you, within any of your gates which the Lord your God gives you, a man or a woman who has been wicked in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing His covenant, who has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, either the sun or moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded, and it is told you, and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently. And if it is indeed true and certain that such an abomination has been committed in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has committed that wicked thing, and shall stone to death that man or woman with stones. Whoever is deserving of death shall be put to death on the testimony of two or three witnesses; he shall not be put to death on the testimony of one witness. The hands of the witnesses shall be the first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So you shall put away the evil from among you.

“If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such wickedness as this among you.

Less talking, more stoning please... God commanded you to get me stoned!

[eon89]

Behind every creation, there is a creator, this is common sense and logical and doesn't consume too many brain cells to work out whether God exists or not. Human itself is a proof that God exists.

Actually, this is not common sense...

Who says everything requires a creator?  Where is your evidence of such?

Humans are not created, humans are born... as a direct result of your parents having sex... God had nothing to do with it... He mostly didn't even watch them having sex... mostly...

"Humans are not created, humans are born... as a direct result of your parents having sex..." parents who were born as a direct result of their parents having sex... who were born as a direct result of their parents having sex... who were born as a direct result of their parents having sex... who were born as a direct result of their parents having sex... who were born as a direct result of their parents having sex... etc., etc. ... all the way back to when?

Oh yes. It's called cause and effect. All the way back to the time that God made the first two parents.

We see nothing other than this. We might guess that something called evolution made life out of the inanimate. We might have a few indicators that can be stretched to be interpreted as something called evolution making life out of the inanimate. But the thing that we ABSOLUTELY DO SEE is cause and effect all the way back to the Great First Cause.

You do realize the staggering amount of incest needed to create a race from 2 people. Theoretically speaking. Because if it were needed to repopulate the earth again it would be needed something like 300.00 people in order to avoid the terrible genetic inbred consequences that would result otherwise.

[Moloch]

You do realize the staggering amount of incest needed to create a race from 2 people. Theoretically speaking. Because if it were needed to repopulate the earth again it would be needed something like 300.00 people in order to avoid the terrible genetic inbred consequences that would result otherwise.

Which is evidence against the creation story... multiple generations of incest is detrimental to the gene pool... take a look at the Egyptian Pharaohs for a perfect example

The theory of evolution does not start with 2 people... it is the continuous progression of small adaptations in a gene pool of a species, that over time add up to large changes... it does not start with 2 people, but a group/herd of people/animals... no incest required for evolution, only creationism...

(I suppose BADecker would argue the first 2 amoeba were incestual, but amoeba reproduce asexually, so he'd be wrong as usual)