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November 23, 2015, 05:19:38 PM
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Regarding the value of accounts, an interesting thing occurred today.

4 hours before the weekly lottery, doeboy put his 11-going-on-12 account, and a second level 8 account, up for auction, or attempted to.  At first he said he would take the best offer no matter how low, and the auction would end at the weekly drawing.  But a few minutes later he said that if the best offer wasn't high enough, he would wait till the monthly drawing, as he has 500 (or so) tickets.  (Which suggests to me that he is busted, was waiting for the weekly lottery, and ready to bail)

He listed the assets.... two 100 btm ribbons, one 300 ribbon, access to Toa for both accounts, some unremembered value of DT, and I think that that was it, along with the 500 tickets.

So what is the value of the account really?

Well, there is nothing solid here, but it seems reasonable to value the ribbons at 500 btm - the 5% of the supposed house take on future ribbons wagers, or 475 btm.

(We don't know just how much the house takes with those, really.  You win something when you grab one, but it has never been much more than the bet in my experience, so you have to survive two tries just to get your money back.  But on every bet the house takes 50%, if I understand it rightly)

But we might reasonably say 475 btm.

as for the tickets, they are also questionable, but you could say that, based on last month's drawing having nearly 4000 tickets, his ticket package is worth 1/8 BTC or 125 btm.

The value of going to Toa seems to be entirely an intangible asset.  I have never heard of Toa having anything that the other islands don't, so the only thing about going to Tao is that others can't.  Which in reality is no value at all.

The level 8 account, if you have an 11, is no value at all except for what you might be able to sell it for, and as we see, account sales are pretty flat (I think LucyLuck recently sold hers, no idea for how much.)

So it seems like a reasonable value would be 600 btm if you wanted to risk the tickets.  A reasonable auction bid (which itself is a gamble), would be 400 btm.

doeboy, I am sure, would think much differently.  He went through a lot of BTC to get to that level.  But what does not come with the account is the fun (and, more, the disappointment) he had going through those 11 levels.

A level 8 account is nice because you can go to Tiki and party with friends and not too many  alts will show up.  And it's the best bar in the game.  But I have never heard of any advantage to being at levels beyond that.   They can throw tourneys, but, you can get your mentor to do that for you if you care too.

Just some thoughts.

Totally separately, I wonder why so much of Tiki is undeveloped?

Also, X seems to be a total failure.  You never see people hanging out there at the bar, which is pretty lame itself.  They just go there to look for herbs.  Same, really, at Xinren, except for the voting booth and the cows.  Much of Xinren was never developed as well.  It used to have a good bar I am told, but for some reason Di wanted to drive people to the 'governed' islands.

I get the impression that what ever else it may be, DT is an ongoing sociological experiment.

~All for tonight!

An interesting writeup, but I think one thing you're not really accounting for is the level of the buyer.  You properly point out that if you have a level 11 account, then a level 8 account isn't really getting you anything you don't already have.  But the reverse is true for someone bidding on the package.  If you're a level 2 and you don't even collect DT yet then, if you're unlucky, you might lose 200-400BTM just trying to get to level 3 to get into the DT scheme.  However, as you say, if you already have a high-level account, then this isn't really a factor.  So, what i'd add to your analysis is that the delta between the level of a bidder and the level of the account to be sold has to be a factor in the value of the account.

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November 23, 2015, 05:25:01 PM
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Regarding the value of accounts, an interesting thing occurred today.

4 hours before the weekly lottery, doeboy put his 11-going-on-12 account, and a second level 8 account, up for auction, or attempted to.  At first he said he would take the best offer no matter how low, and the auction would end at the weekly drawing.  But a few minutes later he said that if the best offer wasn't high enough, he would wait till the monthly drawing, as he has 500 (or so) tickets.  (Which suggests to me that he is busted, was waiting for the weekly lottery, and ready to bail)

He listed the assets.... two 100 btm ribbons, one 300 ribbon, access to Toa for both accounts, some unremembered value of DT, and I think that that was it, along with the 500 tickets.

So what is the value of the account really?

Well, there is nothing solid here, but it seems reasonable to value the ribbons at 500 btm - the 5% of the supposed house take on future ribbons wagers, or 475 btm.

(We don't know just how much the house takes with those, really.  You win something when you grab one, but it has never been much more than the bet in my experience, so you have to survive two tries just to get your money back.  But on every bet the house takes 50%, if I understand it rightly)

But we might reasonably say 475 btm.

as for the tickets, they are also questionable, but you could say that, based on last month's drawing having nearly 4000 tickets, his ticket package is worth 1/8 BTC or 125 btm.

The value of going to Toa seems to be entirely an intangible asset.  I have never heard of Toa having anything that the other islands don't, so the only thing about going to Tao is that others can't.  Which in reality is no value at all.

The level 8 account, if you have an 11, is no value at all except for what you might be able to sell it for, and as we see, account sales are pretty flat (I think LucyLuck recently sold hers, no idea for how much.)

So it seems like a reasonable value would be 600 btm if you wanted to risk the tickets.  A reasonable auction bid (which itself is a gamble), would be 400 btm.

doeboy, I am sure, would think much differently.  He went through a lot of BTC to get to that level.  But what does not come with the account is the fun (and, more, the disappointment) he had going through those 11 levels.

A level 8 account is nice because you can go to Tiki and party with friends and not too many  alts will show up.  And it's the best bar in the game.  But I have never heard of any advantage to being at levels beyond that.   They can throw tourneys, but, you can get your mentor to do that for you if you care too.

Just some thoughts.

Totally separately, I wonder why so much of Tiki is undeveloped?

Also, X seems to be a total failure.  You never see people hanging out there at the bar, which is pretty lame itself.  They just go there to look for herbs.  Same, really, at Xinren, except for the voting booth and the cows.  Much of Xinren was never developed as well.  It used to have a good bar I am told, but for some reason Di wanted to drive people to the 'governed' islands.

I get the impression that what ever else it may be, DT is an ongoing sociological experiment.

~All for tonight!

An interesting writeup, but I think one thing you're not really accounting for is the level of the buyer.  You properly point out that if you have a level 11 account, then a level 8 account isn't really getting you anything you don't already have.  But the reverse is true for someone bidding on the package.  If you're a level 2 and you don't even collect DT yet then, if you're unlucky, you might lose 200-400BTM just trying to get to level 3 to get into the DT scheme.  However, as you say, if you already have a high-level account, then this isn't really a factor.  So, what i'd add to your analysis is that the delta between the level of a bidder and the level of the account to be sold has to be a factor in the value of the account.

Doesn't the 11 also have a higher rakeback than the 8, giving it even more value? That in itself has worth -- higher rakeback = less money lost = more money gained.

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November 23, 2015, 05:33:51 PM
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Doesn't the 11 also have a higher rakeback than the 8, giving it even more value? That in itself has worth -- higher rakeback = less money lost = more money gained.

Yes, indeed, that's what I was referring to.  If you already have an 11, then having an 8 doesn't help you because you do your bets with the 11 and get the better rakeback.  However, if you don't, then the lower your account currently has to correspond to an increase in the value of an account you're bidding on.  If you have level 7 and you're bidding on an 8 that actually might not be as valuable to you to win in an auction as someone with a level 6 bidding on that same 8, etc.

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I would like to try the game is it already opened for everyone? The idea is very original mixing the mmo concept and a casino with bitcoin, ive seen this many times before but with no real money (ingame currency) that had no real value.

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I would like to try the game is it already opened for everyone? The idea is very original mixing the mmo concept and a casino with bitcoin, ive seen this many times before but with no real money (ingame currency) that had no real value.

Indeed, it's live right now and has been for several years.  I actually think that Dragon's Tale was one of the first sites that accepted BTC.  I've been there for about 2.5 years and it was around at least a year before I came by.  I agree, that it's fun to have some sort of MMO that isn't just "play money".

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November 23, 2015, 07:11:21 PM
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I'm still stuck on rice ponds can anyone can help me out. or do you have anyway to earn few mBTC then i will use it to play again in rice ponds..
Waters from mentors is not enough to gain few satoshi's and also gift from statue's
I am searching for another statue's that can give free satoshis again but all of the statues has no gift..
Guys who have reach above level 5?Can you PM me your username there i will add you as my friend and also can you share few waters?

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November 23, 2015, 07:46:11 PM
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I'm still stuck on rice ponds can anyone can help me out. or do you have anyway to earn few mBTC then i will use it to play again in rice ponds..
Waters from mentors is not enough to gain few satoshi's and also gift from statue's
I am searching for another statue's that can give free satoshis again but all of the statues has no gift..
Guys who have reach above level 5?Can you PM me your username there i will add you as my friend and also can you share few waters?
there's no other way to earn free mbtc unless you are level 5 and make some students(they'll make you btcs if they bet). you can scout for herbs maybe?

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November 23, 2015, 09:56:29 PM
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I'm still stuck on rice ponds can anyone can help me out. or do you have anyway to earn few mBTC then i will use it to play again in rice ponds..
Waters from mentors is not enough to gain few satoshi's and also gift from statue's
I am searching for another statue's that can give free satoshis again but all of the statues has no gift..
Guys who have reach above level 5?Can you PM me your username there i will add you as my friend and also can you share few waters?
there's no other way to earn free mbtc unless you are level 5 and make some students(they'll make you btcs if they bet). you can scout for herbs maybe?
Aha..That's why there are many mentor in the game... so i think its better to finish all the task and reach the lvl 5 to become a teacher or mentor..
And earn by teaching few student...
Can i ask if how much you will earn on every student?

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November 24, 2015, 12:58:12 AM
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Doesn't the 11 also have a higher rakeback than the 8, giving it even more value? That in itself has worth -- higher rakeback = less money lost = more money gained.

Yes, indeed, that's what I was referring to.  If you already have an 11, then having an 8 doesn't help you because you do your bets with the 11 and get the better rakeback.  However, if you don't, then the lower your account currently has to correspond to an increase in the value of an account you're bidding on.  If you have level 7 and you're bidding on an 8 that actually might not be as valuable to you to win in an auction as someone with a level 6 bidding on that same 8, etc.

I did give that some thought, but set aside the increased DT because, if you mean to try to level still... you will spend so much that the increased DT is minimal by comparison. And if you don't mean to try to level to 12, then... what would be the point in having the account over an 8?

I know my thinking may not be perfect, I can't spend a lot of time on it.  The main  point of the post was to present a basic theory of account value.   Tweek it as may suit you.  No one has to be absolutely right here.

Separately, a question.  For a while accounts were getting muled but that doesn't seem to be the case lately, that I know of.  If one does get muled, does one still get whiffs and share in rounds?


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I'm still stuck on rice ponds can anyone can help me out. or do you have anyway to earn few mBTC then i will use it to play again in rice ponds..
Waters from mentors is not enough to gain few satoshi's and also gift from statue's
I am searching for another statue's that can give free satoshis again but all of the statues has no gift..
Guys who have reach above level 5?Can you PM me your username there i will add you as my friend and also can you share few waters?

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Doesn't the 11 also have a higher rakeback than the 8, giving it even more value? That in itself has worth -- higher rakeback = less money lost = more money gained.

Yes, indeed, that's what I was referring to.  If you already have an 11, then having an 8 doesn't help you because you do your bets with the 11 and get the better rakeback.  However, if you don't, then the lower your account currently has to correspond to an increase in the value of an account you're bidding on.  If you have level 7 and you're bidding on an 8 that actually might not be as valuable to you to win in an auction as someone with a level 6 bidding on that same 8, etc.

I did give that some thought, but set aside the increased DT because, if you mean to try to level still... you will spend so much that the increased DT is minimal by comparison. And if you don't mean to try to level to 12, then... what would be the point in having the account over an 8?

I know my thinking may not be perfect, I can't spend a lot of time on it.  The main  point of the post was to present a basic theory of account value.   Tweek it as may suit you.  No one has to be absolutely right here.

Separately, a question.  For a while accounts were getting muled but that doesn't seem to be the case lately, that I know of.  If one does get muled, does one still get whiffs and share in rounds?


Thanks

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Di recently told me that he's muling accounts everytime they use a new IP address.  This means that I end up having to ask him to unmule me quite often.  I don't think there's any ramification on whiffs and rounds, but you can't pick herbs when you're muled.

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November 24, 2015, 07:34:20 AM
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I'm still stuck on rice ponds can anyone can help me out. or do you have anyway to earn few mBTC then i will use it to play again in rice ponds..
Waters from mentors is not enough to gain few satoshi's and also gift from statue's
I am searching for another statue's that can give free satoshis again but all of the statues has no gift..
Guys who have reach above level 5?Can you PM me your username there i will add you as my friend and also can you share few waters?

At his point you should think about making a deposit, perhaps~
I think making a deposit is the only way to do all my task done... I dont understand the task on the left that you can skip task by depositing 20 mbtc?
So if i deposit 20mbtc all task will be skip and i will level up?

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November 24, 2015, 08:37:13 AM
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I'm still stuck on rice ponds can anyone can help me out. or do you have anyway to earn few mBTC then i will use it to play again in rice ponds..
Waters from mentors is not enough to gain few satoshi's and also gift from statue's
I am searching for another statue's that can give free satoshis again but all of the statues has no gift..
Guys who have reach above level 5?Can you PM me your username there i will add you as my friend and also can you share few waters?

At his point you should think about making a deposit, perhaps~
I think making a deposit is the only way to do all my task done... I dont understand the task on the left that you can skip task by depositing 20 mbtc?
So if i deposit 20mbtc all task will be skip and i will level up?

If you deposit 20mbtc then you can skip one of the other tasks.  What's your name in the game?  i can show you what's up.  Here's a hint btw, all you really have to do is deposit 1mbtc 20 times.  You can even withdrawal to your deposit address to finish the task. Wink

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November 25, 2015, 10:30:47 PM
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Big complicated fuss today about the feather tree~

But then again I don't know that much about programming~

Be fun if Di use some of that undeveloped turf, say on Zhi, to make a whole forest of feather trees!

GG would go nuts looking for herbs in there, especially if it was dense with plants like some parts of Zhi are.

Could have a nice bar in the middle with a uniqque drink menu.... drinks found no where else.
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November 26, 2015, 03:23:16 AM
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I'm still stuck on rice ponds can anyone can help me out. or do you have anyway to earn few mBTC then i will use it to play again in rice ponds..
Waters from mentors is not enough to gain few satoshi's and also gift from statue's
I am searching for another statue's that can give free satoshis again but all of the statues has no gift..
Guys who have reach above level 5?Can you PM me your username there i will add you as my friend and also can you share few waters?

At his point you should think about making a deposit, perhaps~
I think making a deposit is the only way to do all my task done... I dont understand the task on the left that you can skip task by depositing 20 mbtc?
So if i deposit 20mbtc all task will be skip and i will level up?

If you deposit 20mbtc then you can skip one of the other tasks.  What's your name in the game?  i can show you what's up.  Here's a hint btw, all you really have to do is deposit 1mbtc 20 times.  You can even withdrawal to your deposit address to finish the task. Wink

I'm actually surprised Di allows this. Seems semi-exploiting, but haven't heard of anyone getting in trouble (and it was even how I was told to do it long ago), Tongue.

As for earning, if you happen to be a writer (and play MMOs) I might be able to help out, Smiley.

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November 26, 2015, 07:09:07 AM
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I'm still stuck on rice ponds can anyone can help me out. or do you have anyway to earn few mBTC then i will use it to play again in rice ponds..
Waters from mentors is not enough to gain few satoshi's and also gift from statue's
I am searching for another statue's that can give free satoshis again but all of the statues has no gift..
Guys who have reach above level 5?Can you PM me your username there i will add you as my friend and also can you share few waters?

At his point you should think about making a deposit, perhaps~
I think making a deposit is the only way to do all my task done... I dont understand the task on the left that you can skip task by depositing 20 mbtc?
So if i deposit 20mbtc all task will be skip and i will level up?

If you deposit 20mbtc then you can skip one of the other tasks.  What's your name in the game?  i can show you what's up.  Here's a hint btw, all you really have to do is deposit 1mbtc 20 times.  You can even withdrawal to your deposit address to finish the task. Wink
Teppy has to pay lot of fees if he does that lol, 20 mbtc is a small amount just deposit and withdraw.(unless you want to complete tasks)

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November 27, 2015, 12:47:41 AM
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The point of it is to educate people who may not know how to deposit how to do it.

Trust me, It's worth it to him.

He doesn't care if you take it out again immediately.

He knows that it will probably return eventually.
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November 27, 2015, 05:50:42 AM
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Its posted in your tasks as far as being able to skip a task if you deposit a certain amount. Ive been a player on DT for awhile and believe me you need the option to skip a task here n there. Its a bitch to lv up without spending a load of $$$

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November 27, 2015, 11:31:32 AM
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Di recently told me that he's muling accounts everytime they use a new IP address.  This means that I end up having to ask him to unmule me quite often.  I don't think there's any ramification on whiffs and rounds, but you can't pick herbs when you're muled.

This means you're basically wasting your time even looking for herbs because any time you find one, which rarely happens, you'll just find yourself unable to pick it.  So you're screwed out of any time spent doing it.

This is even if you've only ever had one account and never used another.

Yet another fuckover for old users.
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November 27, 2015, 12:01:54 PM
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i played this game once but it is quite a long time to learn
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