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[bbc.reporter]

If Hamilton wins pole position in qualifying then he will win the race. Of course if there are no technical problems.

The roads of Monaco are narrow and the cars are bigger this year. It will be very to overtake.

[Dux2K]

Full Qualifying results for the Monaco Grand Prix through the streets of Monte Carlo

1. Kimi Raikkonen    FIN   Ferrari - Ferrari    1m 12.178s 
2. Sebastian Vettel    GER   Ferrari - Ferrari    1m 12.221s 
3. Valtteri Bottas    FIN   Mercedes - Mercedes   1m 12.223s 
4. Max Verstappen NED   Red Bull - TAG    1m 12.496s 
5. Daniel Ricciardo AUS   Red Bull - TAG    1m 12.998s 
6. Carlos Sainz    ESP   Toro Rosso-Renault    1m 13.162s 
7. Sergio Perez    MEX   Force India-Mercedes   1m 13.329s 
8. Romain Grosjean FRA   Haas-Ferrari    1m 13.349s 
9. Jenson Button    GBR   McLaren-Honda    1m 13.613s ** 
10. Stoffel Vandoorne   BEL   McLaren-Honda    No Time * 
11. Daniil Kvyat    RUS   Toro Rosso-Renault    1m 13.516s 
12. Nico Hulkenberg    GER   Renault - Renault    1m 13.628s 
13. Kevin Magnussen DEN   Haas-Ferrari    1m 13.959s 
14. Lewis Hamilton    GBR   Mercedes - Mercedes   1m 14.106s 
15. Felipe Massa    BRA   Williams - Mercedes    1m 20.529s 
16. Esteban Ocon    FRA   Force India-Mercedes   1m 14.101s 
17. Jolyon Palmer    GBR   Renault - Renault    1m 14.696s 
18. Lance Stroll    CAN   Williams - Mercedes    1m 14.893s 
19. Pascal Wehrlein    GER   Sauber - Ferrari    1m 15.159s 
20. Marcus Ericsson    SWE   Sauber - Ferrari    1m 15.276s 

[Dux2K]

Congratulations to Kimi Raikkonen made pole after 2008 last time great driving from both Ferrari drivers, Hamilton drove very bad and he is really disappointed. He will have hard time to come on some good position on this race.

[Jackkyy]

This is Jenson Button's only race for this season because Alonso will drive to Indy this weekend. Although the car has been changed since last year, Button has shown a fairly good ride and managed to qualify in 9th place in the qualification, but a change of engine parts has cost him a penalty of 15 seats and today he will start last. On the runway in the principality, an experienced pilot like him should finish, and it is not a load of Honda engine. I hope an experienced pilot like him will be able to finish.

[LTU_btc]

It looks that Monaco GP will be very interesting. It will be very hard for Hamilton fight for high positions today.
Also, safety car is always expected on Monaco gp and it would interesting how teams react to it and how it can change their race strategy.
P.S Interesting fact: last time when Kimi started from pole position and Hamilton started from P13 was France GP 2008.

[Coinmyjob]

It looks that Monaco GP will be very interesting. It will be very hard for Hamilton fight for high positions today.
Also, safety car is always expected on Monaco gp and it would interesting how teams react to it and how it can change their race strategy.
P.S Interesting fact: last time when Kimi started from pole position and Hamilton started from P13 was France GP 2008.

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[LTU_btc]

Monaco GP 2017 results:
1   Sebastian Vettel   Ferrari   1hr 44m 44.340
2   Kimi Raikkonen   Ferrari   3.145
3   Daniel Ricciardo   Red Bull   3.745
4   Valtteri Bottas   Mercedes   5.517
5   Max Verstappen   Red Bull   6.199
6   Carlos Sainz   Toro Rosso   12.038
7   Lewis Hamilton   Mercedes   15.801
8   Romain Grosjean   Haas   18.15
9   Felipe Massa   Williams   19.445
10   Kevin Magnussen   Haas   21.443
11   Jolyon Palmer   Renault   22.737
12   Esteban Ocon   Force India   23.725
13   Sergio Perez   Force India   39.089
14   Lance Stroll   Williams   7 Laps
15   Daniil Kvyat   Toro Rosso   Collision
Not classified: Stoffel Vandoorne, Marcus Ericsson, Pascal Wehrlein, Jenson Button, Nico Hulkenberg.

Ferrari decided that they need Vettel in 1st place instead of Raikkonen. It's very important win for Vettel and now he is leading by 25 points against Hamilton in Drivers Championship. Hamilton 7th place wasn't a bad result today.
Today we saw very risky attempts to overtake which ended with crash - Button vs Wehrlein and Perez vs Kvyat.

Also, Indy 500 race ended today. T.Sato is winner after overtaking Helio Castroneves in last laps. Alonso performed well, we saw some nice overtakes by him and he was leading in few laps. But 20 laps until finnish he retired due to engine problems. Different car, same story.

[bbc.reporter]

@LTU_btc. Ferrari decided? Did you watch the race? Sebastian wanted it more than Kimi and he was faster in the race. Kimi was a little faster in the qualifying but the race is what matters. Kimi should have pushed hard when he was ahead of Sebastian. But no, Sebastian is faster when it counts.

[azguard]

Race was boring can remember when i saw this boring race in Monaco. Hamilton tried but in the end think he was happy with this position, Bottas seem to be little off this race, but Red Bull drivers really tried hard to go on win. In the end you are right Vetter wanted more win then Raikkonen.

Alonso didnt got well in indy500 he retired so it was bad call for him maybe it would be better that he drive here in Monaco, but it was his call.

[LTU_btc]

@LTU_btc. Ferrari decided? Did you watch the race? Sebastian wanted it more than Kimi and he was faster in the race. Kimi was a little faster in the qualifying but the race is what matters. Kimi should have pushed hard when he was ahead of Sebastian. But no, Sebastian is faster when it counts.

Yes, Seb was faster and Kimi was called to make a pitstop 5 laps earlier that Vettel would be able to gain advantage before his own pitstop. But I agree that Kimi had to push harder to protect his first position.

[cicciobtc]

Standings Drivers after 6 races:

Vettel         129
Hamilton     104   -25
Bottas          75    -54
Raikkonen    67    -62
Ricciardo      52    -77
Verstappen   45    -84
Perez           34     -95
Sainz           25   -104
Massa          20   -109
Ocon           19   -110





Standings Teams after 6 races:

 
Ferrari       196
Mercedes   179   -16
Red Bull      97    -99
Force India  53  -143
Toro Rosso  29  -167
Williams    , 20  -176
Renault       14  -182
Haas           14  -182
Sauber         4   -192


Vettel has increased its lead to +25.
Ferrari overcame Mercedes

[bbc.reporter]

@LTU_btc. Ferrari decided? Did you watch the race? Sebastian wanted it more than Kimi and he was faster in the race. Kimi was a little faster in the qualifying but the race is what matters. Kimi should have pushed hard when he was ahead of Sebastian. But no, Sebastian is faster when it counts.

Yes, Seb was faster and Kimi was called to make a pitstop 5 laps earlier that Vettel would be able to gain advantage before his own pitstop. But I agree that Kimi had to push harder to protect his first position.

Does that lead us to believe that Ferrari knew Sebastian will be ahead in the end if they did an earlier pitstop for Kimi? I do not think so. Kimi should take advantage and drive faster with his new tires if he wanted to be at 1st place.

[ArdiPrabowo]

Standings Drivers after 6 races:

Vettel         129
Hamilton     104   -25
Bottas          75    -54
Raikkonen    67    -62
Ricciardo      52    -77
Verstappen   45    -84
Perez           34     -95
Sainz           25   -104
Massa          20   -109
Ocon           19   -110

iam not believe hamilton performance is very bad
this now diference point with sebastian vettel gap 25 point

[pereira4]

Race was boring can remember when i saw this boring race in Monaco. Hamilton tried but in the end think he was happy with this position, Bottas seem to be little off this race, but Red Bull drivers really tried hard to go on win. In the end you are right Vetter wanted more win then Raikkonen.

Alonso didnt got well in indy500 he retired so it was bad call for him maybe it would be better that he drive here in Monaco, but it was his call.

Alonso did great, he was 1th during 27 laps for his first time ever in an Indy car, he was going faster in the last laps before the motor broke. It was again bad luck for Alonso. If his motor didn't break, he could have reached top5 because he was in overtaking mode.

Dont forget that he was behind Takuma Sato and Sato won.

[bbc.reporter]

The news all about Fernando Alonso coming out are all funny. There is always a mention of a Honda engine failure included in it as if his problems with Honda in Formula 1 are not enough.

[azguard]

Race was boring can remember when i saw this boring race in Monaco. Hamilton tried but in the end think he was happy with this position, Bottas seem to be little off this race, but Red Bull drivers really tried hard to go on win. In the end you are right Vetter wanted more win then Raikkonen.

Alonso didnt got well in indy500 he retired so it was bad call for him maybe it would be better that he drive here in Monaco, but it was his call.

Alonso did great, he was 1th during 27 laps for his first time ever in an Indy car, he was going faster in the last laps before the motor broke. It was again bad luck for Alonso. If his motor didn't break, he could have reached top5 because he was in overtaking mode.

Dont forget that he was behind Takuma Sato and Sato won.

Watched replay of the race he is really bad luck with Honda, shame he is really good driver but bad luck with Honda is now really bad for Alonso. Dunno if he is considering to retire or what but think that he had enough of them they need to deliver good engine and competitive one. Back in late 80s and early 90s they were very dominant. They can take this likely they need good engine fast. McLaren is becoming shadow of former great team in F1.

[pereira4]

Race was boring can remember when i saw this boring race in Monaco. Hamilton tried but in the end think he was happy with this position, Bottas seem to be little off this race, but Red Bull drivers really tried hard to go on win. In the end you are right Vetter wanted more win then Raikkonen.

Alonso didnt got well in indy500 he retired so it was bad call for him maybe it would be better that he drive here in Monaco, but it was his call.

Alonso did great, he was 1th during 27 laps for his first time ever in an Indy car, he was going faster in the last laps before the motor broke. It was again bad luck for Alonso. If his motor didn't break, he could have reached top5 because he was in overtaking mode.

Dont forget that he was behind Takuma Sato and Sato won.

Watched replay of the race he is really bad luck with Honda, shame he is really good driver but bad luck with Honda is now really bad for Alonso. Dunno if he is considering to retire or what but think that he had enough of them they need to deliver good engine and competitive one. Back in late 80s and early 90s they were very dominant. They can take this likely they need good engine fast. McLaren is becoming shadow of former great team in F1.

Yep this is bad publicity for Honda, as a consumer you look at what is happening in F1 and feel not as inclined to buy an Honda car, even tho I believe Honda mas great cars like the Civic. I also think something specific about the Alonso team is what's wrong because Takuma had a completely different team even tho it's Honda too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmUX6nFKNZk

This double overtake was cool.

[thejaytiesto]

Alonso wants the triple crown, so he will try again to win the Indy 500, next time it will be easier for him because he already got the experience of going through it all at least once.

He also wants to win the 24h Leemans race, so im looking forward to that.

It will depend on how good his Formula 1 year is next year, if the car is still a scam, he will try again.

[mostkey]

Alonso wants the triple crown, so he will try again to win the Indy 500, next time it will be easier for him because he already got the experience of going through it all at least once.

He also wants to win the 24h Leemans race, so im looking forward to that.

It will depend on how good his Formula 1 year is next year, if the car is still a scam, he will try again.

That's what I like from alonso, I always favor him as a champion candidate,
his persistence and his consistent consistency I always wait in his every appearance, i love alonso

[cicciobtc]

There are doubts about the participation of Valentino Rossi at the next gp of Italy (Mugello).
He had a bad accident while training in motocross.

I am convinced that he will do everything to participate in the race, whether it is running in Italy or not to lose too many points for the World Championship