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January 26, 2013, 10:44:29 PM
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Haha this coming from one of the most unbalanced stalkers on BitcoinTalk.  You should listen to him folks, he knows what the heck he is talking about from first hand experience in stalking others.


By the way, remove my personal details from your BFL forum. (You stated where I live (city) in one of your threads.)

That is your official 24 hour notice. Be sure to remove it from any subsequent quotes made by other members. I'll check back in 1 day to see if it has been removed "Mr. Stalker".


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January 26, 2013, 11:30:58 PM
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Haha this coming from one of the most unbalanced stalkers on BitcoinTalk.  You should listen to him folks, he knows what the heck he is talking about from first hand experience in stalking others.


By the way, remove my personal details from your BFL forum. (You stated where I live (city) in one of your threads.)

That is your official 24 hour notice. Be sure to remove it from any subsequent quotes made by other members. I'll check back in 1 day to see if it has been removed "Mr. Stalker".
City really is not an issue.

I've run a (free) site for kids (primary age) for many years - thought it's 'idle' at the moment.
The site directly promotes (and requests) to not use their real first name (and doesn't allow a last name for children) - and explains about making up a nick.
I had to make up specific rules about what they were allowed to post and decide what was restricted enough to avoid any identification
(based on no other information available)
The site is fully moderated by me - no info goes on it that I don't approve (or edit with a note of some sort)

City is the lowest level of identification I allow - and I've never had a complaint about it or issues brought up about it.
(though I did make a mistake about it early on and allowed 'School' but revoked it at my decision early on in a review of what I allowed and what some kids wanted to post)
Of course posting someone's city may have issues of personal choice, but it really isn't an issue of identification unless you are silly enough to hand out your full name to everyone and have an uncommon name.
... hmm my full name is in the cgminer source and I'm from Sydney ... lucky my name is common Cheesy

P.S. the site had over 65,000 accounts (parents and children) at it's peak around 2006 so it wasn't a small unknown site ... maybe I should go back to doing that in my spare time rather than BTC Tongue lol

P.P.S. someone delete the Radacoin post above Tongue Thanks.

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January 26, 2013, 11:36:24 PM
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Haha this coming from one of the most unbalanced stalkers on BitcoinTalk.  You should listen to him folks, he knows what the heck he is talking about from first hand experience in stalking others.


By the way, remove my personal details from your BFL forum. (You stated where I live (city) in one of your threads.)

That is your official 24 hour notice. Be sure to remove it from any subsequent quotes made by other members. I'll check back in 1 day to see if it has been removed "Mr. Stalker".
City really is not an issue.

I've run a (free) site for kids (primary age) for many years - thought it's 'idle' at the moment.
The site directly promotes (and requests) to not use their real first name (and doesn't allow a last name for children) - and explains about making up a nick.
I had to make up specific rules about what they were allowed to post and decide what was restricted enough to avoid any identification
(based on no other information available)
The site is fully moderated by me - no info goes on it that I don't approve (or edit with a note of some sort)

City is the lowest level of identification I allow - and I've never had a complaint about it or issues brought up about it.
(though I did make a mistake about it early on and allowed 'School' but revoked it at my decision early on in a review of what I allowed and what some kids wanted to post)
Of course posting someone's city may have issues of personal choice, but it really isn't an issue of identification unless you are silly enough to hand out your full name to everyone and have an uncommon name.
... hmm my full name is in the cgminer source and I'm from Sydney ... lucky my name is common Cheesy

P.S. the site had over 65,000 accounts (parents and children) at it's peak around 2006 so it wasn't a small unknown site ... maybe I should go back to doing that in my spare time rather than BTC Tongue lol

P.P.S. someone delete the Radacoin post above Tongue
Regardless, it has been explicitly requested to be removed by the affected party. (me in this case)

He may very well chose to refuse. We can cross that bridge if it ever develops that way.

Kano, it is just bad form to leave it up if someone requests it to be taken down.

P.S. Someone just mentioned that apparently ASICMiner "Tychos ASIC" (whoever that is?) has folded shop. Extremely bad news....


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January 26, 2013, 11:44:21 PM
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Tycho's Asic project, not ASICMINER... as far as I know....
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January 27, 2013, 12:02:33 AM
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LOL

BFL had 3 months lead time on AVALON yet AVALON shipped first.

Fucking fail!  Grin Grin Grin

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January 27, 2013, 01:32:30 AM
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LOL

BFL had 3 months lead time on AVALON yet AVALON shipped first.

Fucking fail!  Grin Grin Grin

That remains to be seen. If they did then good for them.

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January 27, 2013, 02:55:23 AM
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Now that you are approaching 90 days, I supposed BFL will do the right thing and overclock yet again to compensate their good (and patient) customers with another 20GH/s. Bringing your total to about 80Gh/s.
Quite possibly, yes.
Will 60GH/s be the final number, or will we see higher than that?

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January 27, 2013, 03:10:38 AM
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Now that you are approaching 90 days, I supposed BFL will do the right thing and overclock yet again to compensate their good (and patient) customers with another 20GH/s. Bringing your total to about 80Gh/s.
Quite possibly, yes.
Will 60GH/s be the final number, or will we see higher than that?
Well, they've said before that the chips were designed to go up to 1GHz. If the change to FCBGA fixes thermals problems, 80GH/s shouldn't be a huge problem. 7.5GH/s per chip with 16 fully unrolled cores would imply a clock speed of 469MHz (close to the 500MHz that's been talked about before, so even 10GH/s per chip would be 625MHz if they don't have to cut out cores to improve yields.
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January 27, 2013, 04:45:17 AM
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Now that you are approaching 90 days, I supposed BFL will do the right thing and overclock yet again to compensate their good (and patient) customers with another 20GH/s. Bringing your total to about 80Gh/s.
Quite possibly, yes.
Will 60GH/s be the final number, or will we see higher than that?
Well, they've said before that the chips were designed to go up to 1GHz. If the change to FCBGA fixes thermals problems, 80GH/s shouldn't be a huge problem. 7.5GH/s per chip with 16 fully unrolled cores would imply a clock speed of 469MHz (close to the 500MHz that's been talked about before, so even 10GH/s per chip would be 625MHz if they don't have to cut out cores to improve yields.
First, how did you determine that 469MHz number? Second, I thought that the 500MHz number they were throwing out was for the old 40GH/s number. Now that they're running at 60GH/s, I has assumed they were clocking it closer to 750MHz, and that the final number of 80GH/s was going to be the max of 1GHz.

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January 27, 2013, 05:05:28 AM
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Look at the die shot.

16 fully unrolled cores, each producing 1 hash per clock cycle.
7500MH/s / 16 cores = 468.75MHz.

From what I remember of the announcement, the 500MHz mark was what they moved too.

Edit: Found it.
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/104-shipping-2-3-weeks-2.html#post1461
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January 27, 2013, 05:24:31 AM
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Look at the die shot.

16 fully unrolled cores, each producing 1 hash per clock cycle.
7500MH/s / 16 cores = 468.75MHz.

From what I remember of the announcement, the 500MHz mark was what they moved too.

Edit: Found it.
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/104-shipping-2-3-weeks-2.html#post1461
Ah ok. That update from Josh was 10/9, and they upped their specs exactly when, end of September? They were so close I got confused and thought the 500MHz number was for the old spec.

So lets say ~500MHz means 60GH/s @ 60W. So lets say they went to 800MHz: we're talking almost 100GH/s @ 120W? Totally just guessing here.

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January 27, 2013, 10:56:03 AM
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I really hope we can all calm down. Me and PL have come to an understanding and I hope you can too Inaba. If we all have a shrewd of decorum when we post then hopefully clown/stalker/sexoffenders like Micon will just get kicked out of the community.

Says one of the biggest clowns himself.

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January 27, 2013, 04:36:31 PM
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It appears that one of three things is about to happen,

A) BFL lost 25k of chips due to genuine malfunctions.

B) BFL lost 25k chips they initially tried to turn a Frankenstein QFN to FCBGA configuration. (The operation was unsuccessful and 25,000 Frankensteins died)

Note: Which implies that they only expected to receive 75k by Feb 10th. So that means there may be a delay coming up for later customers.

C) For whatever reason the Fab only got 75k chips done for them on time. (Unlikely IMO)
As they usually go out at the same time.

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January 27, 2013, 07:16:06 PM
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all of a sudden 25% less chips.

LOL a moving target can be expected when someone really doesn't know when things will be done.

Next it will be that the mini rigs will be 0.9Th/s instead of 1.5TH/s and the power will be 50% higher than expected.

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January 27, 2013, 08:05:15 PM
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all of a sudden 25% less chips.

LOL a moving target can be expected when someone really doesn't know when things will be done.

Next it will be that the mini rigs will be 0.9Th/s instead of 1.5TH/s and the power will be 50% higher than expected.

WHAT?!? BFL wrong about a specification estimate? ...surely you jest. Please cite 12 examples of something a BFL rep said that turned out to be inaccurate, then find 12 moar. I'll give you 90 seconds which should be more than enough time. Tongue

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January 27, 2013, 08:31:04 PM
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all of a sudden 25% less chips.

LOL a moving target can be expected when someone really doesn't know when things will be done.

Next it will be that the mini rigs will be 0.9Th/s instead of 1.5TH/s and the power will be 50% higher than expected.

WHAT?!? BFL wrong about a specification estimate? ...surely you jest. Please cite 12 examples of something a BFL rep said that turned out to be inaccurate, then find 12 moar. I'll give you 90 seconds which should be more than enough time. Tongue

Josh is obviously a lacky that just spouts out the next "estimate" given by the "engineers" which are working in a blackbox.

I seriously think that BFL started out with good intentions to create ASICs but then as things didnt go according to plan they panicked and made bad development decisions (money management) and are now caught in a place where they have tons of irritated customers that will cancel should they delay one more time but at the same time have no control over the actual creation of the chips/devices and can only go on the "engineer" who they paid a ton of $$ to produce these things for them.

Wouldn't be surprised to see 3 more delays and set of excuses and possibly have BFL run because they don't have enough money to cover ALL customer preorders should they all request a refund at the same time. (PONZI-like).

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January 27, 2013, 08:35:10 PM
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Didn't Josh say their engineers get nada if they don't produce? Odd if any respectable engineer works that way, but I do recall it being said.

No BTW, I'm not going fishing for it. ;p I get queasy going through pages of BFL fabricated bs.

I also don't believe JZ is just a little Indian within the organization. If that were the case he'd have been sh1tcanned long ago for grotesque incompetence.

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He mentioned that they only get paid when delivering a working product.

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He mentioned that they only get paid when delivering a working product.

I thought it was in reference to the FAB. I'll hunt it to give everybody piece of mind.
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That didn't take long: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/690-13-jan-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-5.html#post10399

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Another delay we've had to endure is the fact that we have effectively tied the ASIC teams payment to the success of the chip. If the chip were to be a failure they don't get paid... so they have incentive to get it right but that has made them very cautious and slow to approve final masks (This is why we can refund all pre-orders we want and why we have the capital to do what we need to do without a failure putting us in bankruptcy).

I'm pretty sure that's what creativex was eluding to.
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