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January 14, 2013, 11:41:48 AM
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I guess BFL did software simulations of the ASIC design and founded on these results the design was chosen for production without prototyping. Also the specs are founded on the software simulations I guess.

It's possible that they had prototype chips in a different package, identified all the issues in them and rolled in the fixes with the package change.

ok, could be but then you have an iteration of the prototyping process with several different prototypes and at the end you will have one prototype without errors and you can use these chips for prototypes of your product and show this to the customers.  Wink

Certainly. In this case it seems that they're under a lot of pressure to ship on time, so they're betting on this revision being the golden one.

I hope for their sake that it is.
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January 14, 2013, 11:42:28 AM
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BFL says non-refundable since, well 1st of January though.
Look it up asshamser.

What are you saying? Are you saying they won't refund after January first?

Now you are telling me that BFL might refund out of good will, regardless, aren't you?
Now isn't that nice.  Roll Eyes

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Payments made for pre-orders of ASIC based products now under development should be considered non-refundable until products begin shipping or 1 January 2013, whichever is earlier.

That means they planned to start sending refunds after January first. They actually changed their minds and refunded people as soon as they asked, and continue to do so.

I'm still not sure what you were trying to say...
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January 14, 2013, 11:43:08 AM
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How many days can you do chargebacks on credit cards for ?
3 Months! There is a reason why it is 3 months. Paying money in advance for pre-orders if extended beyond the 3rd month, you are not a customer anymore. You are an investor or a creditor!
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January 14, 2013, 11:44:26 AM
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As for prototypes:
I would be showing them to fucking every anti BFL troll to silence them once and for all..... If i had one, even if its not working nor working as good as expected just to prove a point!

But there is nothing (or next to nothing, like some PCB Pics that were in BTC Magazine) about that?

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January 14, 2013, 11:45:30 AM
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They're refunding anyone who asks...
No, they don't. They do not honor full BTC refunds.
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January 14, 2013, 11:46:05 AM
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I remember your account just popped up since a few days ago

Uh, my account is older than yours... I "popped up" when I heard about ASICs shipping "soon".

I never believed BFL would pay people to do puppet accounts, but you are a highly suspicious fella.

Suspicious how? For not attacking them at every possible opportunity? For accepting the reality that startups usually deliver late (especially on ASIC products)?
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January 14, 2013, 11:47:15 AM
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BFL says non-refundable since, well 1st of January though.
Look it up asshamser.

What are you saying? Are you saying they won't refund after January first?

Now you are telling me that BFL might refund out of good will, regardless, aren't you?
Now isn't that nice.  Roll Eyes

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Payments made for pre-orders of ASIC based products now under development should be considered non-refundable until products begin shipping or 1 January 2013, whichever is earlier.

That means they planned to start sending refunds after January first. They actually changed their minds and refunded people as soon as they asked, and continue to do so.

I'm still not sure what you were trying to say...

Oh I had that wrong. Perhaps because the usual method is the other way around that something is refundable until the period expires.
The silly thing is that, under payment processing there is an expiration time for a refund, so in a way BFL are getting the maximal control over fund with their method, not bad.
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January 14, 2013, 11:47:21 AM
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... and they made fools of themselves by showing an empty box (instead of prototype) at CES 2013 Wink Do not be childish....

What does that have to do with anything? CES is packed full of shit that doesn't work yet.

If everyone goes there with non working things, than its OK to do so? Most of the stuff at least works in some ways... Many company are proud to show even a not perfectly working prototype! How else do you attract new investors?


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January 14, 2013, 11:48:42 AM
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Pay $13 000 to have a booth at CES and bring empty boxes. The only product BFL produces is trolling, they even hired a troll as PR.


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January 14, 2013, 11:49:17 AM
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They're refunding anyone who asks...
No, they don't.

Yes, they do.

They do not honor full BTC refunds.

You said they didn't refund them at all! Don't act like refunding the same USD value (and not BTC...I don't feel like beating a dead horse) is equivalent to not refunding at all. That's stupid and stupifying.
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January 14, 2013, 11:50:49 AM
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They're refunding anyone who asks...
No, they don't. They do not honor full BTC refunds.

If you mean that you paid 100btc 6 months ago and intend to receive 100btc today ... go astray, do not be a hustler. The price is fixed in dollars and pay their conversion in bitcoin. Today, we do the conversion of dollars to bitcoin and is what you get, if bitcoin is revalued will be less, but the value is the same.

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January 14, 2013, 11:51:38 AM
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BFL says non-refundable since, well 1st of January though.
Look it up asshamser.

What are you saying? Are you saying they won't refund after January first?

Now you are telling me that BFL might refund out of good will, regardless, aren't you?
Now isn't that nice.  Roll Eyes

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Payments made for pre-orders of ASIC based products now under development should be considered non-refundable until products begin shipping or 1 January 2013, whichever is earlier.

That means they planned to start sending refunds after January first. They actually changed their minds and refunded people as soon as they asked, and continue to do so.

I'm still not sure what you were trying to say...


You wont get back the bitcoins you paid only the usd value so thats bullshit too.

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January 14, 2013, 11:52:02 AM
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If everyone goes there with non working things, than its OK to do so?

Yes. CES has decayed into a "plz buy/fund our unfinished 4G toothbrush" convention.
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January 14, 2013, 11:53:33 AM
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They're refunding anyone who asks...
No, they don't. They do not honor full BTC refunds.

If you mean that you paid 100btc 6 months ago and intend to receive 100btc today ... go astray, do not be a hustler. The price is fixed in dollars and pay their conversion in bitcoin. Today, we do the conversion of dollars to bitcoin and is what you get, if bitcoin is revalued will be less, but the value is the same.

You know, if the value of BTC went down, and they sent refunds in exact BTC values, they'd be raging as well! People always complain when they don't get as much money as they want and come up with a justification after they're already annoyed.

Oops. That poor horse Sad
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January 14, 2013, 11:53:45 AM
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... and they made fools of themselves by showing an empty box (instead of prototype) at CES 2013 Wink Do not be childish....

What does that have to do with anything? CES is packed full of shit that doesn't work yet.

If everyone goes there with non working things, than its OK to do so? Most of the stuff at least works in some ways... Many company are proud to show even a not perfectly working prototype! How else do you attract new investors?



That's what I don't get. Why the hell not just stick some FPGAs in there, hook them up to the Nexus and go "It's an FPGA rig now, but we'll have ASICs soon." Much better than a box of fans and space(rs).

Or, heck, just take some PCBs, mount them (aside from the ASIC of course), glue some heatsinks on them and stick that in there. "It's not running yet, but boy will it be good when it's done". Nope, better show of a box of fans.
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January 14, 2013, 11:54:04 AM
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BFL says non-refundable since, well 1st of January though.
Look it up asshamser.

What are you saying? Are you saying they won't refund after January first?

Now you are telling me that BFL might refund out of good will, regardless, aren't you?
Now isn't that nice.  Roll Eyes

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Payments made for pre-orders of ASIC based products now under development should be considered non-refundable until products begin shipping or 1 January 2013, whichever is earlier.

That means they planned to start sending refunds after January first. They actually changed their minds and refunded people as soon as they asked, and continue to do so.

I'm still not sure what you were trying to say...

They always will be refunding until the amount of new pre-orders sales is greater than amount of refund. Different strategy is not worth the reputational risk.
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January 14, 2013, 11:54:38 AM
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Hm thats sad and i just can't believe that....


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January 14, 2013, 11:55:52 AM
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They always will be refunding until the amount of new pre-orders sales is greater than amount of refund. Different strategy is not worth the reputational risk.

How certain are you that it's a scam?
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January 14, 2013, 11:55:59 AM
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I remember your account just popped up since a few days ago

Uh, my account is older than yours... I "popped up" when I heard about ASICs shipping "soon".
Suspicious how? For not attacking them at every possible opportunity? For accepting the reality that startups usually deliver late (especially on ASIC products)?

At first the majority of the posts made with this account are concerned with ASICs, in particular BFL, your being online to post ratio is incredible.
That the account is old doesn't necessarily rule out the possibility, it would just mean that extra steps were taken to make it appear legitimate.

Transferred account ownership, with or without consent is one possibility, another is direct involvement with BFL or maybe you are just doing them a service payed on a per post basis. I cannot possible enumerate all the ways this could happen, and you could just be a genuine fanboy with an asic preorder and higher than usual emotional attachment.
Still you are suspicions.
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January 14, 2013, 11:57:43 AM
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They're refunding anyone who asks...
No, they don't. They do not honor full BTC refunds.

If you mean that you paid 100btc 6 months ago and intend to receive 100btc today ... go astray, do not be a hustler.
No, I do not intend. I WANT! Because I've the right to receive the refund in the currency and amount I had originally paid!!!

BFL didn't ask me to pay US dollar, they asked me to pay BTC. I did what they ask me to do. I've send the EXACT amount BTC to the EXACT BTC address they specified.
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